Someone needs to make a competitive gamers review website, where you review games unbiassedly from a competitive pc players stand point, being as critical as possible in all the games flaws and issues. Lets be honest, these people reviewing games are f**king terrible.. I mean have you seen some of the game trailers for these games? Looks like you just handed a toddler an xbox controller and told them to start firing.
Where you can review MP games and SP games, I'd bash the fuck out of some metacritic scores let me tell you
Also cool to see ns2 on the list, however how is ns1 not even in a top 10? I mean games like painkiller, ut99/2k4/quakeworld/quake 3/serious sam TSE?? How do these huge games not make the list..
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Someone needs to make a competitive gamers review website, where you review games unbiassedly from a competitive pc players stand point, being as critical as possible in all the games flaws and issues. Lets be honest, these people reviewing games are f**king terrible.. I mean have you seen some of the game trailers for these games? Looks like you just handed a toddler an xbox controller and told them to start firing.
Where you can review MP games and SP games, I'd bash the fuck out of some metacritic scores let me tell you
Also cool to see ns2 on the list, however how is ns1 not even in a top 10? I mean games like painkiller, ut99/2k4/quakeworld/quake 3/serious sam TSE?? How do these huge games not make the list..
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I want reviews from competitive gamers, that was the main part of my post ;p
I don't understand what that means. There's like 10 big esports games, in total. That's not much to review. Or do you mean competitive gamers, who participate in tournaments or whatnot, reviewing games that have no competitive aspect? That makes as much sense as replacing meatballs in a spaghetti with apples.
I don't understand what that means. There's like 10 big esports games, in total. That's not much to review. Or do you mean competitive gamers, who participate in tournaments or whatnot, reviewing games that have no competitive aspect? That makes as much sense as replacing meatballs in a spaghetti with apples.
There are many competitive gamers that do not only stick with one game or genre. They generally have a much better grasp of game design and the flaws and strengths of game than people without a historical and nuanced perspective.
I don't understand what that means. There's like 10 big esports games, in total. That's not much to review. Or do you mean competitive gamers, who participate in tournaments or whatnot, reviewing games that have no competitive aspect? That makes as much sense as replacing meatballs in a spaghetti with apples.
My point is being competitive has nothing to do with it. Outside judging the competitive aspect.
Being competitive doesn't give you good taste in games, or higher standards. It only means you have a certain skill, and you're dedicated to put it into use. You're competitive in CoD? Heck, you have a horrible taste in games, but you're still competitive.
"historical and nuanced perspective" -being competitive includes none of that. NONE of that. It doesn't include history at all. It can, but not by default. And "nuanced perspective"? Seriously? Did you not feel your cheeks redden typing that? )
My point is being competitive has nothing to do with it. Outside judging the competitive aspect.
Being competitive doesn't give you good taste in games, or higher standards. It only means you have a certain skill, and you're dedicated to put it into use. You're competitive in CoD? Heck, you have a horrible taste in games, but you're still competitive.
"historical and nuanced perspective" -being competitive includes none of that. NONE of that. It doesn't include history at all. It can, but not by default. And "nuanced perspective"? Seriously? Did you not feel your cheeks redden typing that? )
it's more likely that they have a better perspective. use your head
...than someone who has nothing, yes, you said that already Captain Obvious. Reply to my post if you want to talk, not gonna loop with you till thread lock. Cobra over.
asking "esports" gamers is a joke. it's just about which games are popular. that has nothing to do with quality
League of Legends would be #1 if we listened to that...
also the "conventional wisdom" is also laughed at...
for example, I'd rank every single Quake clone above something like Counterstrike just based on the type of gameplay and the skills involved
The fact that Half-Life isn't on this list at ALL tells me it's a joke, that's without even looking at some of the games listed (BL2 #5 mk).
Agree, also, how can you rate Doom in there but not Doom 2? Doom 2 and Duke 3D are basically what got me in to multiplayer shooters. Following that it was UT/Quake/CS
No Duke, no Quake 1 or 2, and STALKER is #6 on the list? I'll never understand how people can forgive a grievously broken game just because it's "indie". For once, I'm not going to follow that up with an ironic dig on NS2, since it's in perfect condition compared to bad STALKER was.
People who play generally have a better grasp of game design than people who don't play?
You don't say?
people who play to win tend to learn more about and understand the game they're playing, which also tends to transfer over to others. a example I always use is that a top TF2 competitive player that mains the scout class probably understands and can play, say, Heavy or Engineer any class better than a casual public playing who mains that class. You play to win, thus you must understand each aspect of each class to know how to counter or use it.
clearly there's a difference between casually playing in public servers to win, and playing competitively to win.
edit: welp, didn't bother to finish reading the thread to realize that this argument was already finished.
Someone needs to make a competitive gamers review website, where you review games unbiassedly from a competitive pc players stand point, being as critical as possible in all the games flaws and issues.
Unbiased means from no specific perspective, not from YOUR favorite perspective. People like you who think they are God's gift to gaming is why comp players get so much unreasonable flak.
Someone needs to make a competitive gamers review website, where you review games unbiassedly from a competitive pc players stand point, being as critical as possible in all the games flaws and issues. Lets be honest, these people reviewing games are f**king terrible.. I mean have you seen some of the game trailers for these games? Looks like you just handed a toddler an xbox controller and told them to start firing.
Where you can review MP games and SP games, I'd bash the fuck out of some metacritic scores let me tell you
Also cool to see ns2 on the list, however how is ns1 not even in a top 10? I mean games like painkiller, ut99/2k4/quakeworld/quake 3/serious sam TSE?? How do these huge games not make the list..
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Got tired of RPS after all their #1reasonwhy grandstanding
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Rock Paper Shotgun.
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I want reviews from competitive gamers, that was the main part of my post ;p
we have higher standards :>
There are many competitive gamers that do not only stick with one game or genre. They generally have a much better grasp of game design and the flaws and strengths of game than people without a historical and nuanced perspective.
You don't say?
Rainbow 6?
Thief? (considered a shooter?)
Doom?
Soldier of Fortune? (for the immense amount of gore for the time?)
And as previously mentioned:
Deus Ex?
Half Life?
Natural Selection? (since NS1 made the list)
I guess I would have to know the criteria that they rated these by.
10 big esports games? More like 4...
Being competitive doesn't give you good taste in games, or higher standards. It only means you have a certain skill, and you're dedicated to put it into use. You're competitive in CoD? Heck, you have a horrible taste in games, but you're still competitive.
"historical and nuanced perspective" -being competitive includes none of that. NONE of that. It doesn't include history at all. It can, but not by default. And "nuanced perspective"? Seriously? Did you not feel your cheeks redden typing that?
League of Legends would be #1 if we listened to that...
also the "conventional wisdom" is also laughed at...
for example, I'd rank every single Quake clone above something like Counterstrike just based on the type of gameplay and the skills involved
Agree, also, how can you rate Doom in there but not Doom 2? Doom 2 and Duke 3D are basically what got me in to multiplayer shooters. Following that it was UT/Quake/CS
"We've upped our standards, now up yours."
Oddjob OP, game balance broken!
Hey, at least NOLF made the list.
people who play to win tend to learn more about and understand the game they're playing, which also tends to transfer over to others. a example I always use is that a top TF2 competitive player that mains the scout class probably understands and can play, say, Heavy or Engineer any class better than a casual public playing who mains that class. You play to win, thus you must understand each aspect of each class to know how to counter or use it.
clearly there's a difference between casually playing in public servers to win, and playing competitively to win.
edit: welp, didn't bother to finish reading the thread to realize that this argument was already finished.
NS2 on the list is cool tho.
Unbiased means from no specific perspective, not from YOUR favorite perspective. People like you who think they are God's gift to gaming is why comp players get so much unreasonable flak.
Got tired of RPS after all their #1reasonwhy grandstanding