Patch ~240+ Choke 100%, Rubber Band, Lag Spike, KDR Killer

XzHiBiTXzHiBiT Join Date: 2013-02-03 Member: 182798Members
So, it would seem since patch 240ish my desktop has been having issues when playing online. The connection spikes, ping goes from <75 to anywhere 300-1000, and I lose ~3 seconds of game time. I tried net_stats and when it happens, it shows 100% choke, all other times 0%. Also, it used to seem consistent, about every 2-3 minutes or so, and now it will sometimes do it randomly, back-to-back, and bass-to-mouth. :) I don't have anything else running in the background, the comp is about a month old and only has steam installed. I don't remember it ever doing this when I built it initially, it seems to have been doing it the past few weeks or so.

Few things to note:
It only happens on my desktop, my laptop is issue free.
Happens whether I am commander or not, and on all servers. The 32-man server can trigger this easily in heavy final hive combat.

Desktop will hit 200FPS in waiting room, 130FPS walking around, 80FPS in combat. Everything MAX except that grainy filter turned off.
Laptop will hit 70FPS in waiting room, 45FPS walking artound, <30FPS in combat. Everything MIN or OFF. I'm annoyed with this game's performance on it, but w/e, it doesn't "choke" and is a decent comm comp.
Desktop: Self - i7-3770k @ 4.2GHz, Sabertooth Z77, 8GB CL8 1866MHz DDR3, 240GB OCZ Ver3 MI SSD, 2x XFX 7970 CF, ASUS PCE-N53 WiFi
Laptop: MSI GT683R-242US - i7-2630qm, 16GB DDR3, 2x 500GB 7200RPM, GTX560M

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  • DC_DarklingDC_Darkling Join Date: 2003-07-10 Member: 18068Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver
    Hows the cpu at that moment? if it for some reason horribly fails to keep up, that can happen.
    Happens on all servers you pick? Be sure to try 18 slots ones.
  • SquishpokePOOPFACESquishpokePOOPFACE -21,248 posts (ignore below) Join Date: 2012-10-31 Member: 165262Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    My ping dies when someone in the house starts downloading something. Next time it happens, run around and yell at your roomies to cut it out.
  • ScardyBobScardyBob ScardyBob Join Date: 2009-11-25 Member: 69528Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    Squishpoke wrote: »
    My ping dies when someone in the house starts downloading something. Next time it happens, run around and yell at your roomies to cut it out.
    That too :)
  • XzHiBiTXzHiBiT Join Date: 2013-02-03 Member: 182798Members
    Squishpoke wrote: »
    My ping dies when someone in the house starts downloading something. Next time it happens, run around and yell at your roomies to cut it out.

    Single, live alone, turn off all other laptops in the house when gaming online with my gaming laptop and desktop. It does it on all servers, just that the 32 man happens more frequently. I haven't tried <16man servers, mainly because I prefer more action. CPU doesn't show spikes, just flutters all over, but nothing is running in the background and ASUS NetMon is off (some program that controls network activity)..... any idea? What is the definition of "choke" per NS2?
  • DC_DarklingDC_Darkling Join Date: 2003-07-10 Member: 18068Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver
    Your cpu will only show max is you start running on one core or with some very well multithread tasks.
    In most parts NS2 has to do with 1 to 2 cores it can actively use. Meaning on some pcs, your cpu had a hard time keeping up.

    While choke should be related to network, it is simple to realise that if your cpu can not keep up, it wont process the data, and you do not get the network info you need.

    I saw choke happen on bad networks & on a very stressed cpu, hence I suggested both.
  • XzHiBiTXzHiBiT Join Date: 2013-02-03 Member: 182798Members
    edited March 2013
    NS2 chokes on an i7-3770k @ 4.2GHz? Then what the hell will not choke?
    Your cpu will only show max is you start running on one core or with some very well multithread tasks.
    In most parts NS2 has to do with 1 to 2 cores it can actively use. Meaning on some pcs, your cpu had a hard time keeping up.

    While choke should be related to network, it is simple to realise that if your cpu can not keep up, it wont process the data, and you do not get the network info you need.

    I saw choke happen on bad networks & on a very stressed cpu, hence I suggested both.

    If this game chokes on an i7 OC @ 4.2GHz, then what will run it? Again, my laptop with a 2nd gen i7 @ 2.9GHz can run this without choke (granted video is minimum instead of maximum), so why would my desktop have an issue? Nothing else is running, not even chrome.
  • DC_DarklingDC_Darkling Join Date: 2003-07-10 Member: 18068Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver
    Hmm. good point there.. I forgot to check your cpu.
    If that is its standard clock speed you should be ok.. (some people overclock bad, and NS2 is a game which pressures your cpu in such a way a bad overclock shows)

    lets asume it truly is choke.

    * no addons installed I presume?
    * run a ping command in a cmd in your windows nonstop. like "ping www.google.com /t". When you experience choke, tab out to see if it stops reaching the target site. If it does, its surely connection issues.
  • rwsrws Milwaukee, WI Join Date: 2013-01-05 Member: 177696Members
    Lets grab some things from you so we can look into this a little more. A dxdiag could be very helpful, and also provide your log file after you have played a round or two.
  • XzHiBiTXzHiBiT Join Date: 2013-02-03 Member: 182798Members
    edited March 2013
    Hmm. good point there.. I forgot to check your cpu.
    If that is its standard clock speed you should be ok.. (some people overclock bad, and NS2 is a game which pressures your cpu in such a way a bad overclock shows)

    lets asume it truly is choke.

    * no addons installed I presume?
    * run a ping command in a cmd in your windows nonstop. like "ping www.google.com /t". When you experience choke, tab out to see if it stops reaching the target site. If it does, its surely connection issues.

    No add ons selected, have a few installed, but they are the same on desktop and laptop.

    When I consistently ping google.com, it does spike the same time NS2 spikes.... and it does it when I'm not in NS2 if I babysit the cmd window... so, time to try and figure out why my computer is spazzing. I'll kill absolutely everything running and see if it still spikes, and then gradually reenable programs. I have a feeling it is something to do with the motherboard garbage, corsairlink, or something else... Keep you posted.
  • FrothybeverageFrothybeverage Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13593Members
    WiFi or Wired connection?
  • IronsoulIronsoul Join Date: 2011-03-12 Member: 86048Members
    I've been having similar issues.
    My internet connection is about 2mbps (roughly 200KBps, I know I know, not exact but still, it's above 50KBps and that's what's important) most of the time.

    When playing ns2, I get horrible lag spikes whenever the download rate gets to 12+kBps (0.12mbps?)... My ping goes to 3000+ and prediction goes through the roof and the game becomes unplayable. I've not played since 241 though and am currently unable to play it(busy).
  • AsranielAsraniel Join Date: 2002-06-03 Member: 724Members, Playtest Lead, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester, Retired Community Developer
    Chocking has nothing to do with cpu speed. Chocking means that you dont receive the network packets, they either get lost or the server does not send them. If no other people have the problem on the server its likely to be your connection. But it hard to say which part of it. If you use a wifi network, that could be it.
  • DC_DarklingDC_Darkling Join Date: 2003-07-10 Member: 18068Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver
    @astraniel..
    Yes.. true. But I had instances myself where the cpu had so much trouble keeping up, it simply did not work through the packages intime, also resulting in choke. (although in fairness, the cpu is the bigger problem then)
  • XzHiBiTXzHiBiT Join Date: 2013-02-03 Member: 182798Members
    edited March 2013
    Asraniel wrote: »
    Chocking has nothing to do with cpu speed. Chocking means that you dont receive the network packets, they either get lost or the server does not send them. If no other people have the problem on the server its likely to be your connection. But it hard to say which part of it. If you use a wifi network, that could be it.
    I'm running wireless for everything but my Revue and pinging google from my laptop, gaming laptop, and desktop and they each spike at various times, never in sync. I have a Linksys E3200 router that has yet to let me down, but I'll try resetting it and upgrading the firmware to see if there is any luck there. In the meantime, does anyone have a SUREFIRE way to resolve this?

  • DC_DarklingDC_Darkling Join Date: 2003-07-10 Member: 18068Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver
    Wireless looks more and more like it if it does not happen on the same time.
    Most antenna's can only service one device at a certain time.

    How would we have a surefire way to resolve it? We are still trying to find out whats going on. But it definitely seems network related.
    A easy test would be to simply disable wifi on the desktop which has the problem & shove a utp cable in it.
  • XzHiBiTXzHiBiT Join Date: 2013-02-03 Member: 182798Members
    edited March 2013
    Wireless looks more and more like it if it does not happen on the same time.
    Most antenna's can only service one device at a certain time.

    How would we have a surefire way to resolve it? We are still trying to find out whats going on. But it definitely seems network related.
    A easy test would be to simply disable wifi on the desktop which has the problem & shove a utp cable in it.

    I'm certain at this point it is a wireless issue. All three computers are having ping jumps randomly, not in sync, and are on wireless. I will CAT5 one laptop into the router and see if it ping spikes as well, then try resetting router. If it doesn't spike on hardwire, it's wireless... if it does, it may be my internet provider which at that point can be on their end or maybe my router is not working, or my modem is out of date (Motorola SurfBoard)... we shall see.
  • DC_DarklingDC_Darkling Join Date: 2003-07-10 Member: 18068Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver
    you can test internal network by pinging the router/gateway ip instead of a website.
  • FarrenFarren Join Date: 2005-03-13 Member: 45065Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited March 2013
    Are you using any products that claim to boost your connection speed or computer performance in general? When I first installed i/oBit's Advanced Systemcare suite, I didn't realize that it was altering my TCP reply rates in order to 'speed up' the connection. Things would go fine for several minutes, then I'd start failing to load web pages and have to hit refresh a lot. Had stutters in games very similar to yours. After a few days I discovered the cause, and disabling that portion of the program fixed everything.

    Also, what router are you using? Replacing my old Linksys WRT-150N (a model that's supposed to be significantly faster than the famous WRT-54G) gave me speed and fluidity of my Internet connection that I didn't realize I was even missing... though it was most noticeable when there were other devices streaming.

    edit: E3200 has a 500MHz CPU and 64MB of memory, so it should be more than capable of maintaining multiple fluid connections, let alone a single game running on a single device. I still wonder if you've installed some kind of speed booster though!
  • IronHorseIronHorse Developer, QA Manager, Technical Support & contributor Join Date: 2010-05-08 Member: 71669Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Subnautica Playtester, Subnautica PT Lead, Pistachionauts
    Try changing the wifi channel. I.e. from 2 to 6 etc. You'll find these settings in your router's wireless settings page. (generally 192.168.0.1)
    10 bucks says using a wired connection to your modem wouldn't have these issues ;)
  • 2GuNz4U2GuNz4U Join Date: 2012-11-10 Member: 169301Members, Reinforced - Gold
    **Bump** I've been getting this exact same problem for the past 3 weeks. I was hoping it was something wrong with the patch. Have you figured out your problem yet? I run an i7 920 3.0ghz quad with a SLI 560 ti setup and I've been rubber banding like crazy. I cannot even play marines anymore because the bouncing kills my aim. Bought a brand new router, only use wired for my desktop, and Crapcast cannot find anything wrong with the connection, I use no firewalls, or speed apps..... wtf can this be?
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