Cyst through gorge tunnels
simba
Join Date: 2012-05-06 Member: 151628Members
Join Date: 2012-05-06 Member: 151628Members
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Quite a few possibilities with an idea like this. I'd love to see this in a mod or something.
Would add some interesting tactics and give aliens a chance of holding nano on veil even if they cant secure space between it and their hive.
One sneaky alien building building tunnel and khamm then setting up crags/shifts near it could solve this problem.
Well being limited by infestation was put in place to address khamms expanding too easily, was not intended part of asymmetry initially, has only become such to slow down expansion.
This would make tunnels actually useful. A lot of games I felt that tunnels alone aren't enough for a comeback or to be useful for anything but desperation harassment. Being able to secure a location with a Shift and Crags without requiring a giveaway Cyst chain would totally change that. The game dynamic of securing Tech Points would benefit when the Tech Point between 2 taken bases won't automatically go to that team.
UWE do it!
but it needs cysts to actually produce infestation...and what about harvesters and preventing marine pushes by preventing their tech down
So the Gorge tunnel will act like a cyst, such that you could have an entrance/exit next to one hive, pop one up on the other side of the map and continue cysting from there. Thus, you could put one next to each hive you drop and you won't ever need to place a cyst down on the map except when connecting to res towers. The rest of the map wouldn't need cysting. Also in doing this the marines would have no idea where you are spreading. It's a logical but overpowered idea.
With tunnels acting as cysts, they become a very strategic building, but one that player res is used to build..... meaning in larger games it will be much easier for aliens to do this strategy. And I hate things that make the game highly volatile and unstable as player count changes..we already have enough of that.
If this were a commander only building that needed team res, then yea this could be an option if properly priced. The commander can choose to spend res on rapid expansion (via tunnels) at the expense of economy/research/support..ect..
The problem may not arise until you have placed the second tunnel entrance, and the commander starts to have trouble placing any structures at the exit. By the time he has fixed the cyst chain back at the main hive, the element of surprise on the other end could have been lost.
The cost outweighs any possible benefit. 30 pres per tunnel (inc gorge) plus research with a limit of one tunnel per player, which the specific player has to go back gorge and rebuild either end of the tunnel if it gets destroyed for another 20pres.
I think it is definitely worth trying out.
What if only fully mature gorge tunnels could act like cysts? Do tunnels have maturity?
However we see several excited posters in thread because it is looking initially like this is going to be useful ..perhaps OP even. I'm more and more against anything that does not scale well with player count. Gorge tunnels already fit that bill, but their effectiveness is rather mild (might change with bigger maps), so I don't mind so much. However its a strategic tool, and with more players, the easier it is to field and replace tunnels. Comm research is only a one time thing. Not only is stuff like this making balancing all different player counts a nightmare, but larger games have already become too disconnected from 6v6 comp matches. Its the main reason I have problems following the comp scene in NS2 (a shame) since I know pro players are essentially not playing the same game I'm playing. Unlike SC2 and MOBA games which the pros are playing under the same rules and environment as everyone else..just at a much higher skill level of course.