Lasers Suck!
digicrab
Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4579Members
Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4579Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Yes they do</div> There are several servers out there that use a mod that makes every marine emit a nice red laser. This is of course very nice for the aliens: you wouldn't want to be surprised by a marine would you? As a marine, playing on those servers can be hell; the aliens instantly know where you are. It is like constant parasite always stuck on you.
It gets worse; not only do aliens know where you are, they know where you are pointing. So, forget guarding doors; skulks will see a nice shiny laser to warn them that they may be fired upon.
Now, you may say that this is no big deal and those servers can be easily avoided. This is true. However, currently many of the beta servers *cough* lanvancouver *cough* insist on using this annoying mod. This robs us of the opportunity to test out the patch without interfrence from the admins.
My objections are as follows:
1. If marines have lasers pointing from their guns, skulks whould have lasers pointing from their mouth.
2. Admins should not try to "balance" the game with any mods. These choices fall on the dev team.
3. Any such mods interfere with the testing of new patches; As a beta test server, it is the server's admin's responsibility to keep the server free from any outside factors that might interfere with the testing.
4. If the admins thought that it would be "cool" to add lasers, I assure you that it is not and at the very least we should have an option to turn our laser off so no-one sees it. There is nothing cool about a lagged out laser that gives away your position.
5. Lasers Suck!
Constructive comments welcome...
It gets worse; not only do aliens know where you are, they know where you are pointing. So, forget guarding doors; skulks will see a nice shiny laser to warn them that they may be fired upon.
Now, you may say that this is no big deal and those servers can be easily avoided. This is true. However, currently many of the beta servers *cough* lanvancouver *cough* insist on using this annoying mod. This robs us of the opportunity to test out the patch without interfrence from the admins.
My objections are as follows:
1. If marines have lasers pointing from their guns, skulks whould have lasers pointing from their mouth.
2. Admins should not try to "balance" the game with any mods. These choices fall on the dev team.
3. Any such mods interfere with the testing of new patches; As a beta test server, it is the server's admin's responsibility to keep the server free from any outside factors that might interfere with the testing.
4. If the admins thought that it would be "cool" to add lasers, I assure you that it is not and at the very least we should have an option to turn our laser off so no-one sees it. There is nothing cool about a lagged out laser that gives away your position.
5. Lasers Suck!
Constructive comments welcome...
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Comments
I don't need a dot; I have crosshairs.
I played on a 1.04 server for an afternoon, one that had lasers. As digicrab said, it's almost a permanent parasite. Not cool when playing a marine; a skulk's best friend when playing for the Kharaa.
at least in HLDM you could turn OFF the rocket launcher's sighting dot to hide it from people <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
HA! If you pivot more than 10%, the laser starts to drag behind. Besides, that's what the damn crosshair is for.
So what's it good for? Maybe if I'm holding it still? But wait! If I'm camping and holding it still, aliens will see the beam a mile away. Use your common sense.
HA! If you pivot more than 10%, the laser starts to drag behind. Besides, that's what the damn crosshair is for.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i didn't say a laser AND a crosshair. i meant just a laser dot, which is more accurate than a crosshair. besides we are talking about having lasers in the first place so if they are gonna give us one it should be implemented in a way that helps marines, not hurt them. long laser lines hurt. dots would be better. i hate having to point my gun down and obscure my view just cuz i dont wanna give away my position.
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As much as people here seem to blame Voogru for everything bad about NS mods, targeting lasers have nothing to do with him. In this case you need to talk to the NS dev team since they were going to be part of the game, and you need to talk to the admins of servers that run a mod that uses them. None of those people are Voogru.
I happen to like Voogru's mods, and his servers usually have at least one admin on them twenty four hours a day. I wasn't a big fan of the rocket launchers, but he took them out.
Apparently, according ot the MOTD, the lasers were added "for balance reasons". In actuality, I find the lasers pretty much are there to screw the marines over big time.
I can't see any reason why the lasers are even in the game (they don't help your aim at all) except to alert any aliens who might be in the neighborhood that a marine will shoot them if they go around a corner.
These lasers actually go through WALLS, alerting aliens to your exact position before they can even see you.
Lazers keep marines where they are supposed to be, NON-sneaky NON-ramboing TEAM PLAYERS. I can't believe all you guys are crying because the aliens can actually SEE you now. SUCK IT UP SOLDIER AND FROM A SQUAD SO YOUR BUDDY CAN WATCH YOU BACK NOW MOOOOOOVE OUT! <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
Flayra and team have the final say on such things. If they wanted the admins' help to balance the game, they wouldn't have made all game values hardcoded.
And NO, I dont see that I am a loud marine. I am a silent super trained black ops invisible killer! All I need is black armor and a mask! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
I shouldn't spend my time worrying about where I am pointing my gun. Also, in case you don't realise, no alien in their right mind will jump into one of those red beams. This reduces my effectiveness as a guard.
I dont know about the rest of you, but once 1.04 goes official, I'm staying the hell away from the laser servers. I haven't seen one good comment about them either...
Marines don't have loud "idle" noises like the Aliens do, so being able to tell where their position is when they're unmoving obviously wasn't part of the balance for them, like it was for Aliens.
That was a movie effect. It was done with a video capture program thing.
also the server host is allowed to do as he pleases, they are allowed to run whatever mod they please. don't like it don't goto it, or start running your own server. don't start saying that you hate it and such cuz a lot of people probably DONT CARE.
to make the laser useful, we need to make the crosshair less useful
Make it bigger, with less accuracy, or remove it in total, that requires more skill, and give the laser upgrade a use
also, it should only be a dot, not a line...that gotta suck hard...like a skinhack(spikes going out from them, so you see them everywhere, kinda like wallhack)
to add to this, make the game darker(ALOT) and make the flashlight an uppgrade, with more and more light into it, the more it upgrades(I like steam to, it keeps the whole feeling up)
this makes the adv hivesight more useful and increases the fear effect
cuz
a) marines make A LOT OF NOISE running
b) even when marines walk.. they make a clanking noise
jus wondering.. is the marine laser a straight beam or jus a dot that keeps moving everywhere? thx <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Like someone else said if you don't like it, don't play on a server that has it. Vote with your feet!
I have played mods without crosshairs...
I yust painted a little black dot at my screen...=)
edit:
btw a quicktoggle (knife/lmg) is the solution for the marines...:-)
Probably why I don't play laser servers at all. NG's good enough.
i think it's a SHAME that admins put this mod on the TEST-SERVERS for 1.04!!
I encountered a lot of people who belived it was actually part of NS!!
I prefer to play on servers with mp_constancy activated and no other Server sided mods... pure ns!
(Ok, i think mapvote mods are quite usefull, but the do not effect the gameplay in any way)
-=HyPeR=-
Plus, here as there, don't bash mods - if you dislike them, use another server.
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