<!--quoteo(post=2053758:date=Dec 31 2012, 09:38 AM:name=eh?)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (eh? @ Dec 31 2012, 09:38 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2053758"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I can't tell if you think edak is a cheater or not, but either way no offense to edak but ... rofl.
The current best marines in this game aren't even really hitting 25-30% accuracy right now, so 90% makes you sound like you're completely full of ######. Granted that's assuming the skulks aren't actually just burlap sacks full of potatoes in disguise when you make that 90% claim, but even then I would doubt it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He's on right now, watch and make your own decisions.
<!--quoteo(post=2053760:date=Dec 31 2012, 12:43 PM:name=eh?)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (eh? @ Dec 31 2012, 12:43 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2053760"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->So do I have to explain to you why someone cheating and streaming at the same time on purpose is absurd or do you need a third lobotomy?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> My thoughts exactly.
<!--quoteo(post=2053675:date=Dec 31 2012, 06:56 AM:name=piratedave)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (piratedave @ Dec 31 2012, 06:56 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2053675"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->OH BOOHOO !!! I was accused of hacking today whilst pub sromping noobs on a rookie server !!! I am the victim here, we should ban all hacker accusers because its MY RIGHT to PUB STOMP noobs and not have my ego challeneged by hack accusations !<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm sure you would not be accused of hacking so much if you had the balls to play with people of your own skill level. [Edit] And literally pub stomping makes you a worse player, because how can you get better if there is no challenge? It's like always playing smash bros. on very easy or never competing above bronze in starcraft.
<!--quoteo(post=2053760:date=Dec 31 2012, 09:43 AM:name=eh?)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (eh? @ Dec 31 2012, 09:43 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2053760"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->So do I have to explain to you why someone cheating and streaming at the same time on purpose is absurd or do you need a third lobotomy?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It can be absurd, but that doesn't mean it's not true. I'm more curious what your opinions on the stream are. I've seen the guy go 70/5, so my opinion is already set.
<!--quoteo(post=2053766:date=Dec 31 2012, 12:48 PM:name=Kama_Blue)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kama_Blue @ Dec 31 2012, 12:48 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2053766"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It can be absurd, but that doesn't mean it's not true. I'm more curious what your opinions on the stream are. <b>I've seen the guy go 70/5, so my opinion is already set.</b><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't think this is fair.
These aren't posted to "brag," as there are many players better than me in the game. That said, I'm here, conversing with you on a forum with what I think is a reasonable degree of respect. Hopefully I don't strike you as the sort who would cheat. I've had my Steam account for 8 years, and it's in good standing. Why make your mind up on the basis of a score? Having a good commander makes a world of difference. Every match is circumstantial. Numbers are just numbers. I extend other people the reasonable doubt I'd like them to extend me, and it's no different in his case.
<!--quoteo(post=2053764:date=Dec 31 2012, 12:45 PM:name=WhiteWeasel)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (WhiteWeasel @ Dec 31 2012, 12:45 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2053764"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I'm sure you would not be accused of hacking so much if you had the balls to play with people of your own skill level. [Edit] And literally pub stomping makes you a worse player, because how can you get better if there is no challenge? It's like always playing smash bros. on very easy or never competing above bronze in starcraft.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
as long as the netcode is in the shape its in im sticking to servers i ping well in. how are you going to get any better when youre getting shot around corners, or getting hit from 300 ft away by a 115 pinging fade. that kinda crap throws my timing completely off and just serves to stop people from playing
<!--quoteo(post=2053789:date=Dec 31 2012, 01:21 PM:name=Syknik)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Syknik @ Dec 31 2012, 01:21 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2053789"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I like the aliens k:d, definitely shows they had skill.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=0:date=:name=NousWanderer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NousWanderer)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->"Having a good commander makes a world of difference. Every match is circumstantial. Numbers are just numbers. I extend other people the reasonable doubt I'd like them to extend me, and it's no different in his case."<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Exactly my point. So why would we ever presume that someone must be cheating because of their score? Read the post I was responding to. That line of argument effectively amounts to "the enemy isn't great at the game, therefore YOU cheat." It makes no sense.
Oh, are we doing this "post pub screen shots so the guy making hack accusations looks foolish for being completely uninformed about skill levels?" I'm in!
<!--quoteo(post=2053790:date=Dec 31 2012, 01:23 PM:name=VeNeM)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VeNeM @ Dec 31 2012, 01:23 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2053790"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->as long as the netcode is in the shape its in im sticking to servers i ping well in. how are you going to get any better when youre getting shot around corners, or getting hit from 300 ft away by a 115 pinging fade. that kinda crap throws my timing completely off and just serves to stop people from playing<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> This is also true.
Also, unless I'm playing with friends who are new to the game/style of game, I play in non-rookie servers that ping well, where people whose company I enjoy also play. I'm a casual gamer that happens to be better than most casual gamers. As such, I don't need to spend hours looking for some elite server and/or getting into the clan/tournament scene when I decide I want to play a game I purchased.
<!--quoteo(post=2053792:date=Dec 31 2012, 01:24 PM:name=Omar - The Wire)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Omar - The Wire @ Dec 31 2012, 01:24 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2053792"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Oh, are we doing this "post pub screen shots so the guy making hack accusations looks foolish for being completely uninformed about skill levels?" I'm in!
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They're pubs. They're a joke.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=2053787:date=Dec 31 2012, 10:13 AM:name=NousWanderer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NousWanderer @ Dec 31 2012, 10:13 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2053787"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I don't think this is fair.
These aren't posted to "brag," as there are many players better than me in the game. That said, I'm here, conversing with you on a forum with what I think is a reasonable degree of respect. Hopefully I don't strike you as the sort who would cheat. I've had my Steam account for 8 years, and it's in good standing. Why make your mind up on the basis of a score? Having a good commander makes a world of difference. Every match is circumstantial. Numbers are just numbers. I extend other people the reasonable doubt I'd like them to extend me, and it's no different in his case.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sorry, he went 70/5, during this we joked and asked him to calm down and give aliens a chance, which resulted in 5-6 players from the alien team giving up at trying to win and watching his stream and them coming to the conclusion on their own that his snap targetting and tracking of lerks/skulks was far too accurate.
Even if he's not and is by some method miraculously good at hitting aliens in situations other marines simply cannot match (just a couple minutes ago he killed a fade, on his own in a secluded room, with a single clip of an LMG). I've given up playing with him or in any servers he's in because of how impossible it is to win as an alien when a single player can single handedly kill four or five of you advancing on a point.
I honestly don't give a damn if he's hacking or not, but my teams sure as hell can't play against him and win with accuracy and reactions like that, which ruins a match, cheating or not.
<!--quoteo(post=2053793:date=Dec 31 2012, 10:25 AM:name=FrankerZ)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FrankerZ @ Dec 31 2012, 10:25 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2053793"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->edak is part of all-in, a confirmed hacker clan.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=2053793:date=Dec 31 2012, 01:25 PM:name=FrankerZ)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FrankerZ @ Dec 31 2012, 01:25 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2053793"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->edak is part of all-in, a confirmed hacker clan.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I watched a good 45 minutes of his stream today. The guy is absolutely legit. It's not that his aim is godlike, but he knows where to stand and where the aliens are likely to come at him. He knows the maps, he knows the angles, he doesn't run into situations that are guaranteed to get him killed, and he has pretty good aim.
<!--quoteo(post=2053793:date=Dec 31 2012, 12:25 PM:name=FrankerZ)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FrankerZ @ Dec 31 2012, 12:25 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2053793"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->edak is part of all-in, a confirmed hacker clan.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=2053798:date=Dec 31 2012, 10:29 AM:name=Kama_Blue)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kama_Blue @ Dec 31 2012, 10:29 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2053798"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Interesting, thanks for the info.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> He was being facetious. I hope.
All-In is probably one of the top teams in North America.
I've known edak for years and never seen him cheat in any game. He's just one of those players that enjoys playing games to the best of his ability. The fact that you think he cheats and streams it is amusing, though. I watched a few minutes of his marine play in this latest video. He's got pretty good tracking, but nothing suspicious. You have to remember his targets. I didn't see a single wall jump in the 5 minutes that I watched.
<!--quoteo(post=2053592:date=Dec 30 2012, 11:31 PM:name=Swiftspear)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Swiftspear @ Dec 30 2012, 11:31 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2053592"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Interp is working right... as I understand it. You have to jump through a few hoops to get the data from the other players properly interped the way they are seeing it though (I think that's the main holdup)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So what you're saying is it's not working right... Seriously though, everyone agrees it's a bit to slow for this game. You can't tell me you've never been directly behind a marine and killed by a shotgun hit, or around a corner and killed by a pistol shot. It's not a big deal for marines, actually gives them quite an advantage most times, but for aliens it sucks.
<!--quoteo(post=2053882:date=Dec 31 2012, 05:14 PM:name=Davil)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Davil @ Dec 31 2012, 05:14 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2053882"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->So what you're saying is it's not working right... Seriously though, everyone agrees it's a bit to slow for this game. You can't tell me you've never been directly behind a marine and killed by a shotgun hit, or around a corner and killed by a pistol shot. It's not a big deal for marines, actually gives them quite an advantage most times, but for aliens it sucks.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Every game has that. I'll grant you it feels slower, but it's hard to quantify exactly how much "too slow" it is, or if it isn't just the delay for damage number scrolling giving a delayed feeling.
<!--quoteo(post=2053755:date=Dec 31 2012, 01:29 PM:name=Kama_Blue)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kama_Blue @ Dec 31 2012, 01:29 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2053755"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I've caught only one player botting before, there's a guy who runs around with a twitch.tv username, "edak" or something. He was usually streaming so it was pretty easy to tell. Watched him a few times and his crosshair commonly snapped to skulks passing out of vents or around corners for nearly 90%+ Accuracy, even when they were bouncing around. His crosshair also liked to jump to clogs or cysts when he was in a hive and there were aliens attacking him, indicating the script was having a hard time locking onto what he wanted it to. I would say it would be nearly impossible to determine if he was hacking or just a nearly perfect player if you didn't notice him snap targeting to cysts or clogs all the time (in times when he shouldn't be aiming at them) and know what that means. That or his 40/0+ scores.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=2053624:date=Dec 31 2012, 05:25 AM:name=NeoRussia)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NeoRussia @ Dec 31 2012, 05:25 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2053624"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->And then when first person spectate finally comes along, they'll be posting demos of us "hacking" as shown by our somewhat decent tracking skills. And the best part is that other admins will actually see this, and believe it can't be anything but hacking...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
See this is EXACTLY what I mean. Players will still think others are hacking even when the ACTUAL VIDEO PROOF is right in front of them. I have a video of playing with edak in a PUG. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBqWu52un3o" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBqWu52un3o</a>
He IS NOT a hacker. There are NO hackers. Only players getting deceived into thinking there are by this group thinking mentality.
<!--quoteo(post=2053908:date=Dec 31 2012, 06:28 PM:name=NeoRussia)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NeoRussia @ Dec 31 2012, 06:28 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2053908"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->See this is EXACTLY what I mean. Players will still think others are hacking even when the ACTUAL VIDEO PROOF is right in front of them. I have a video of playing with edak in a PUG. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBqWu52un3o" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBqWu52un3o</a>
He IS NOT a hacker. There are NO hackers. Only players getting deceived into thinking there are by this group thinking mentality.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Silly NeoRussia, of course he only hacks while streaming and the slightest slipup showing a hack GUI would ruin his reputation forever. Of course he doesn't hack in competitive environments where it would be much more beneficial for is reputation and much easier to get away with it.
<!--quoteo(post=2053922:date=Dec 31 2012, 04:00 PM:name=Swiftspear)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Swiftspear @ Dec 31 2012, 04:00 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2053922"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Silly NeoRussia, of course he only hacks while streaming and the slightest slipup showing a hack GUI would ruin his reputation forever. Of course he doesn't hack in competitive environments where it would be much more beneficial for is reputation and much easier to get away with it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
>Having a hack GUI What is this, 2006? Most of them sit as random icons in your taskbar and are just hotkeys.
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The current best marines in this game aren't even really hitting 25-30% accuracy right now, so 90% makes you sound like you're completely full of ######. Granted that's assuming the skulks aren't actually just burlap sacks full of potatoes in disguise when you make that 90% claim, but even then I would doubt it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He's on right now, watch and make your own decisions.
<a href="http://www.twitch.tv/edakulous" target="_blank">http://www.twitch.tv/edakulous</a>
Edit: Ninja'd.
My thoughts exactly.
I'm sure you would not be accused of hacking so much if you had the balls to play with people of your own skill level.
[Edit] And literally pub stomping makes you a worse player, because how can you get better if there is no challenge? It's like always playing smash bros. on very easy or never competing above bronze in starcraft.
<!--quoteo(post=2053762:date=Dec 31 2012, 09:44 AM:name=NousWanderer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NousWanderer @ Dec 31 2012, 09:44 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2053762"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->My thoughts exactly.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It can be absurd, but that doesn't mean it's not true. I'm more curious what your opinions on the stream are. I've seen the guy go 70/5, so my opinion is already set.
Those are my thoughts.
I don't think this is fair.
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These aren't posted to "brag," as there are many players better than me in the game. That said, I'm here, conversing with you on a forum with what I think is a reasonable degree of respect. Hopefully I don't strike you as the sort who would cheat. I've had my Steam account for 8 years, and it's in good standing. Why make your mind up on the basis of a score? Having a good commander makes a world of difference. Every match is circumstantial. Numbers are just numbers. I extend other people the reasonable doubt I'd like them to extend me, and it's no different in his case.
[Edit] And literally pub stomping makes you a worse player, because how can you get better if there is no challenge? It's like always playing smash bros. on very easy or never competing above bronze in starcraft.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
as long as the netcode is in the shape its in im sticking to servers i ping well in. how are you going to get any better when youre getting shot around corners, or getting hit from 300 ft away by a 115 pinging fade. that kinda crap throws my timing completely off and just serves to stop people from playing
<!--quoteo(post=0:date=:name=NousWanderer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NousWanderer)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->"Having a good commander makes a world of difference. Every match is circumstantial. Numbers are just numbers. I extend other people the reasonable doubt I'd like them to extend me, and it's no different in his case."<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Exactly my point. So why would we ever presume that someone must be cheating because of their score? Read the post I was responding to. That line of argument effectively amounts to "the enemy isn't great at the game, therefore YOU cheat." It makes no sense.
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They're pubs. They're a joke.
This is also true.
Also, unless I'm playing with friends who are new to the game/style of game, I play in non-rookie servers that ping well, where people whose company I enjoy also play. I'm a casual gamer that happens to be better than most casual gamers. As such, I don't need to spend hours looking for some elite server and/or getting into the clan/tournament scene when I decide I want to play a game I purchased.
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They're pubs. They're a joke.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
"Please stop using your clawbot. Thx."
ALSO: Mandingo is on your team. Bam.
These aren't posted to "brag," as there are many players better than me in the game. That said, I'm here, conversing with you on a forum with what I think is a reasonable degree of respect. Hopefully I don't strike you as the sort who would cheat. I've had my Steam account for 8 years, and it's in good standing. Why make your mind up on the basis of a score? Having a good commander makes a world of difference. Every match is circumstantial. Numbers are just numbers. I extend other people the reasonable doubt I'd like them to extend me, and it's no different in his case.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sorry, he went 70/5, during this we joked and asked him to calm down and give aliens a chance, which resulted in 5-6 players from the alien team giving up at trying to win and watching his stream and them coming to the conclusion on their own that his snap targetting and tracking of lerks/skulks was far too accurate.
Even if he's not and is by some method miraculously good at hitting aliens in situations other marines simply cannot match (just a couple minutes ago he killed a fade, on his own in a secluded room, with a single clip of an LMG). I've given up playing with him or in any servers he's in because of how impossible it is to win as an alien when a single player can single handedly kill four or five of you advancing on a point.
I honestly don't give a damn if he's hacking or not, but my teams sure as hell can't play against him and win with accuracy and reactions like that, which ruins a match, cheating or not.
<!--quoteo(post=2053793:date=Dec 31 2012, 10:25 AM:name=FrankerZ)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FrankerZ @ Dec 31 2012, 10:25 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2053793"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->edak is part of all-in, a confirmed hacker clan.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Interesting, thanks for the info.
I watched a good 45 minutes of his stream today. The guy is absolutely legit. It's not that his aim is godlike, but he knows where to stand and where the aliens are likely to come at him. He knows the maps, he knows the angles, he doesn't run into situations that are guaranteed to get him killed, and he has pretty good aim.
Oh boy, where's my popcorn....
He was being facetious. I hope.
All-In is probably one of the top teams in North America.
You're trolling right?
So what you're saying is it's not working right... Seriously though, everyone agrees it's a bit to slow for this game. You can't tell me you've never been directly behind a marine and killed by a shotgun hit, or around a corner and killed by a pistol shot. It's not a big deal for marines, actually gives them quite an advantage most times, but for aliens it sucks.
Every game has that. I'll grant you it feels slower, but it's hard to quantify exactly how much "too slow" it is, or if it isn't just the delay for damage number scrolling giving a delayed feeling.
Done.
<!--quoteo(post=2053624:date=Dec 31 2012, 05:25 AM:name=NeoRussia)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NeoRussia @ Dec 31 2012, 05:25 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2053624"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->And then when first person spectate finally comes along, they'll be posting demos of us "hacking" as shown by our somewhat decent tracking skills. And the best part is that other admins will actually see this, and believe it can't be anything but hacking...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
See this is EXACTLY what I mean. Players will still think others are hacking even when the ACTUAL VIDEO PROOF is right in front of them. I have a video of playing with edak in a PUG. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBqWu52un3o" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBqWu52un3o</a>
He IS NOT a hacker. There are NO hackers. Only players getting deceived into thinking there are by this group thinking mentality.
He IS NOT a hacker. There are NO hackers. Only players getting deceived into thinking there are by this group thinking mentality.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Silly NeoRussia, of course he only hacks while streaming and the slightest slipup showing a hack GUI would ruin his reputation forever. Of course he doesn't hack in competitive environments where it would be much more beneficial for is reputation and much easier to get away with it.
>Having a hack GUI
What is this, 2006? Most of them sit as random icons in your taskbar and are just hotkeys.