<!--quoteo(post=2032318:date=Nov 22 2012, 06:55 PM:name=Sockem)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sockem @ Nov 22 2012, 06:55 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2032318"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I noticed that you guys were talking about a pro4 so i included it into the build <a href="http://pcpartpicker.com/p/oOmV" target="_blank">http://pcpartpicker.com/p/oOmV</a><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
@ Sockem,
- I don't get your current GFX card selection. This thing (GTX 560 Ti) is of the previous generation and prices have been steadily rising for that part over the last year as it is running out of stock... you get less for more. Get a current generation GFX card like one of the AMD cards in the HD7000 series or one of the Nvidia cards in the 600 series. A GTX 660 (non Ti) for example would be considerable cheaper, faster, be less power hungry (less heat) and support more features.
- A z77 chipset motherboard would indeed be the better option if it doesn't cost much extra.
- Be aware you have selected high profile memory. You should seek out the low profile variant just in case you want to install a larger custom CPU cooler (silent/ lower temps). The large "show sink" on your current memory will interfere with a good CPU cooler most likely.
New build, changed the mobo to Z77 and changed a few things. <a href="http://pcpartpicker.com/p/piJY" target="_blank">http://pcpartpicker.com/p/piJY</a>
<!--quoteo(post=2033857:date=Nov 25 2012, 01:32 AM:name=Sockem)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sockem @ Nov 25 2012, 01:32 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2033857"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->New build, changed the mobo to Z77 and changed a few things. <a href="http://pcpartpicker.com/p/piJY" target="_blank">http://pcpartpicker.com/p/piJY</a><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I certainly approve that list. But get the 660 Ti for max value.
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<!--quoteo(post=2032344:date=Nov 22 2012, 10:35 AM:name=Zeno)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zeno @ Nov 22 2012, 10:35 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2032344"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->@OC: I don't have anything against OCing itself but you should consider WHO you recommend it to. If a user is inexperienced (and never even built an own PC) you don't recommend OC for the same reason you don't recommend tuning a car with turbos and other serious ###### to a 18 years old girl, who just made her licence. And you should consider that people who don't OC (although they could) might do so because they have other priorities - like silence, low temperature and lifetime. You are here in a thread where an inexperienced user asks for help, so please help him accordingly.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> As long as your patient and read the OCing guides/threads thoroughly, OCing is safe. Its a great way to squeeze some extra performance out of a budget system and I'd recommend it to anyone whose willing to put in the time and effort to do it right. It also helps that the Sandy/Ivy Bridge CPUs OC like a dream, such that its fairly easy to get stable 4.0-4.5 OCs.
Can I semi-hijack and ask for advice about upping the voltage of graphics cards: my GTX 570 was made by a company (MSI? Can't remember...) that doesn't put enough juice through the card by default, and occasionally gave me a BSOD (or in Windows 8's case a less OHMYGODWILLITEXPLODE? moment thanks to a more pleasing screen. With a smiley.).
I fixed the problem using MSI Afterburner and upping the voltage from 1000 to 1013, however it's not enough for Black Ops 2 and Assassin's Creed 3: I've got a second profile for these games that ups its to 1075 (out of a max 1100). Again this cures the problem but I'm not sure if I'm significantly shortening the life span. GFX temps don't go above 70deg.
<!--quoteo(post=2035237:date=Nov 26 2012, 08:55 PM:name=sherpa)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sherpa @ Nov 26 2012, 08:55 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2035237"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Can I semi-hijack and ask for advice about upping the voltage of graphics cards: my GTX 570 was made by a company (MSI? Can't remember...) that doesn't put enough juice through the card by default, and occasionally gave me a BSOD (or in Windows 8's case a less OHMYGODWILLITEXPLODE? moment thanks to a more pleasing screen. With a smiley.).
I fixed the problem using MSI Afterburner and upping the voltage from 1000 to 1013, however it's not enough for Black Ops 2 and Assassin's Creed 3: I've got a second profile for these games that ups its to 1075 (out of a max 1100). Again this cures the problem but I'm not sure if I'm significantly shortening the life span. GFX temps don't go above 70deg.
Any advice welcome!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I used to use MSI Afterburner but after some instabilities concerning it, I went over to Precision X by evga. Very similar, but with options that seemed to stick more with my card.
<!--quoteo(post=2035484:date=Nov 27 2012, 03:04 AM:name=Sockem)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sockem @ Nov 27 2012, 03:04 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2035484"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->New build! changed to 660 Ti by EVGA <a href="http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pnL0" target="_blank">http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pnL0</a><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Don't mean to rain on your parade, I like that list. But...the EVGA version you got of the 660 Ti has barely got a fan on it. Those kinda "closed" cards get clogged with dust fast. Get one of those cards with a dual fan setup on it! :)
There, a GTX 660 Ti card with a good and silent cooler (I have the 3 fan variant on my HD7950 which is silent) with a little higher frequency and lower price than the EVGA one.
EVGA has a fairly liberal warranty though. You can always invest in an aftermarket cooler for an EVGA card without voiding the warranty. Also, overclocking/overvolting doesn't void the warranty either. I know some of the cheaper GPU manufacturers put stricter limits on their cards.
<!--quoteo(post=2038526:date=Dec 1 2012, 06:16 PM:name=Gorge Norris)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gorge Norris @ Dec 1 2012, 06:16 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2038526"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->There, a GTX 660 Ti card with a good and silent cooler (I have the 3 fan variant on my HD7950 which is silent) with a little higher frequency and lower price than the EVGA one.
Unless you care about the aesthetics of your video card I don't see a reason not to go for that one. :)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> thanks will definatly get that one.
with no further adue, I do believe this PC is ready!
I'll just throw this in here rather than made a entirely new thread.
What made you decide for a 660 Ti instead of (for example) HD7950 ? I'm finding it difficult to see any real advantage one over the other. Except that the AMD 7xxx cards have two displayports instead of two DVIs.
Edit: Wow it's a major pain the arse to convert displayport to DVI. Expensive, overheating problems, USB powered and failing to let the monitor go to standby mode. I guess it's a nvidia card for me this year.
<!--quoteo(post=2042958:date=Dec 10 2012, 05:13 PM:name=Svenpa)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Svenpa @ Dec 10 2012, 05:13 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2042958"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I guess it's a nvidia card for me this year.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Best thing about my nVidia card (though could also be due to Windows 8) is that I can trail a 10m HDMI cable to the living room TV and it'll automatically make it the main screen and route audio through it without having to change any settings.
Combined with a free mouse emulator app for my iPad I've got the PC in the living room for the £10 price of the cable.
<!--quoteo(post=2042958:date=Dec 10 2012, 04:13 PM:name=Svenpa)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Svenpa @ Dec 10 2012, 04:13 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2042958"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I'll just throw this in here rather than made a entirely new thread.
What made you decide for a 660 Ti instead of (for example) HD7950 ? I'm finding it difficult to see any real advantage one over the other. Except that the AMD 7xxx cards have two displayports instead of two DVIs.
Edit: Wow it's a major pain the arse to convert displayport to DVI. Expensive, overheating problems, USB powered and failing to let the monitor go to standby mode. I guess it's a nvidia card for me this year.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> But why would you worry about display ports unless you're running a crazy number of monitors? As said card as a dvi and hdmi which is enough for most multi monitor people, don't even pay attention to the display ports.
My screens have neither HDMI nor DisplayPort. One is a old HP 2035 monitor (no surprise there) and the other a Dell 2209WA which I kind of expected to have hdmi but alas, nope.
This makes it a dealbreaker for me since I won't buy any new screens soon.
For some reason I locked myself looking at DP -> DVI instead of the much simpler solution of HDMI -> DVI as you mentioned, thanks for that.
So now the question still stands, 660 ti or 7950. I tried deducing which would benefit me most from this review going over a couple of games but it's too, irregular, with performance results. 7950 has the raw power over nvidia and runs very similarly in a lot of games but then there's BF3 messing it all up with an apparent lead for nvidia which even the reviewer can't explain. AMD *should* be better at BF3 but it isn't.
No doubt both cards will be plain good but trying to get a meaningful differentiation for me is nigh impossible. I also wonder if the 7950 with 3 fans is better than 660 with 2 fans. Is it either "3 fans, more coverage, lower rpm = less noise" or "2 bigger fans, more airflow, lower rpm = less noise" or neither ?
I dont think you understand what I said. PC was the LEAD platform during development. Hence not a console port. (A console port means something created for the console, and ported to PC. In battlefields case, it was created for the PC and ported to console) <a href="http://www.destructoid.com/pc-as-lead-platform-made-battlefield-3-better-on-consoles-214603.phtml" target="_blank">http://www.destructoid.com/pc-as-lead-plat...es-214603.phtml</a> <a href="http://www.computerandvideogames.com/288293/battlefield-3-pc-console-ports-not-how-we-do-things-says-dice/" target="_blank">http://www.computerandvideogames.com/28829...ings-says-dice/</a>
Also, PER YOUR FREAKEN WIKI PAGE QUOTES UNDER DEVELOPMENT:
/leave please<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Fundamentally the game was built to be multiplatform. It's all but impossible to build your game to run on nearly 10 year old technology and still demand maximum specifications from a modern super machine. AAA games in the current generation just don't demand system specs the way they did when the XB360 and PS3 were new, and everyone and their mom was fighting tooth and nail to look as cool as modern console games. We'll concede it wasn't a "port" so to speak, but it definitely wasn't written to fully utilize the PC at all costs.
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<a href="http://pcpartpicker.com/p/oOmV" target="_blank">http://pcpartpicker.com/p/oOmV</a><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
@ Sockem,
- I don't get your current GFX card selection. This thing (GTX 560 Ti) is of the previous generation and prices have been steadily rising for that part over the last year as it is running out of stock... you get less for more.
Get a current generation GFX card like one of the AMD cards in the HD7000 series or one of the Nvidia cards in the 600 series.
A GTX 660 (non Ti) for example would be considerable cheaper, faster, be less power hungry (less heat) and support more features.
- A z77 chipset motherboard would indeed be the better option if it doesn't cost much extra.
- Be aware you have selected high profile memory. You should seek out the low profile variant just in case you want to install a larger custom CPU cooler (silent/ lower temps). The large "show sink" on your current memory will interfere with a good CPU cooler most likely.
<a href="http://pcpartpicker.com/p/piJY" target="_blank">http://pcpartpicker.com/p/piJY</a>
<a href="http://pcpartpicker.com/p/piJY" target="_blank">http://pcpartpicker.com/p/piJY</a><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I certainly approve that list. But get the 660 Ti for max value.
And you should consider that people who don't OC (although they could) might do so because they have other priorities - like silence, low temperature and lifetime.
You are here in a thread where an inexperienced user asks for help, so please help him accordingly.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
As long as your patient and read the OCing guides/threads thoroughly, OCing is safe. Its a great way to squeeze some extra performance out of a budget system and I'd recommend it to anyone whose willing to put in the time and effort to do it right. It also helps that the Sandy/Ivy Bridge CPUs OC like a dream, such that its fairly easy to get stable 4.0-4.5 OCs.
I fixed the problem using MSI Afterburner and upping the voltage from 1000 to 1013, however it's not enough for Black Ops 2 and Assassin's Creed 3: I've got a second profile for these games that ups its to 1075 (out of a max 1100). Again this cures the problem but I'm not sure if I'm significantly shortening the life span. GFX temps don't go above 70deg.
Any advice welcome!
I fixed the problem using MSI Afterburner and upping the voltage from 1000 to 1013, however it's not enough for Black Ops 2 and Assassin's Creed 3: I've got a second profile for these games that ups its to 1075 (out of a max 1100). Again this cures the problem but I'm not sure if I'm significantly shortening the life span. GFX temps don't go above 70deg.
Any advice welcome!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I used to use MSI Afterburner but after some instabilities concerning it, I went over to Precision X by evga. Very similar, but with options that seemed to stick more with my card.
changed to 660 Ti by EVGA
<a href="http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pnL0" target="_blank">http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pnL0</a>
changed to 660 Ti by EVGA
<a href="http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pnL0" target="_blank">http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pnL0</a><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Don't mean to rain on your parade, I like that list. But...the EVGA version you got of the 660 Ti has barely got a fan on it. Those kinda "closed" cards get clogged with dust fast.
Get one of those cards with a dual fan setup on it! :)
<a href="http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-video-card-gvn66toc2gd" target="_blank">http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-video-card-gvn66toc2gd</a>
Unless you care about the aesthetics of your video card I don't see a reason not to go for that one. :)
<a href="http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-video-card-gvn66toc2gd" target="_blank">http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-video-card-gvn66toc2gd</a>
Unless you care about the aesthetics of your video card I don't see a reason not to go for that one. :)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
thanks
will definatly get that one.
with no further adue, I do believe this PC is ready!
<a href="http://pcpartpicker.com/p/qLwu" target="_blank">http://pcpartpicker.com/p/qLwu</a>
<a href="http://pcpartpicker.com/p/qLwu" target="_blank">http://pcpartpicker.com/p/qLwu</a><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Merry xmas!
What made you decide for a 660 Ti instead of (for example) HD7950 ? I'm finding it difficult to see any real advantage one over the other. Except that the AMD 7xxx cards have two displayports instead of two DVIs.
Edit: Wow it's a major pain the arse to convert displayport to DVI. Expensive, overheating problems, USB powered and failing to let the monitor go to standby mode. I guess it's a nvidia card for me this year.
Best thing about my nVidia card (though could also be due to Windows 8) is that I can trail a 10m HDMI cable to the living room TV and it'll automatically make it the main screen and route audio through it without having to change any settings.
Combined with a free mouse emulator app for my iPad I've got the PC in the living room for the £10 price of the cable.
What made you decide for a 660 Ti instead of (for example) HD7950 ? I'm finding it difficult to see any real advantage one over the other. Except that the AMD 7xxx cards have two displayports instead of two DVIs.
Edit: Wow it's a major pain the arse to convert displayport to DVI. Expensive, overheating problems, USB powered and failing to let the monitor go to standby mode. I guess it's a nvidia card for me this year.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
But why would you worry about display ports unless you're running a crazy number of monitors? As said card as a dvi and hdmi which is enough for most multi monitor people, don't even pay attention to the display ports.
This makes it a dealbreaker for me since I won't buy any new screens soon.
So now the question still stands, 660 ti or 7950. I tried deducing which would benefit me most from this review going over a couple of games but it's too, irregular, with performance results. 7950 has the raw power over nvidia and runs very similarly in a lot of games but then there's BF3 messing it all up with an apparent lead for nvidia which even the reviewer can't explain. AMD *should* be better at BF3 but it isn't.
<a href="http://www.anandtech.com/show/6276/nvidia-geforce-gtx-660-review-gk106-rounds-out-the-kepler-family" target="_blank">http://www.anandtech.com/show/6276/nvidia-...e-kepler-family</a>
No doubt both cards will be plain good but trying to get a meaningful differentiation for me is nigh impossible. I also wonder if the 7950 with 3 fans is better than 660 with 2 fans. Is it either "3 fans, more coverage, lower rpm = less noise" or "2 bigger fans, more airflow, lower rpm = less noise" or neither ?
I dont think you understand what I said. PC was the LEAD platform during development. Hence not a console port. (A console port means something created for the console, and ported to PC. In battlefields case, it was created for the PC and ported to console)
<a href="http://www.destructoid.com/pc-as-lead-platform-made-battlefield-3-better-on-consoles-214603.phtml" target="_blank">http://www.destructoid.com/pc-as-lead-plat...es-214603.phtml</a>
<a href="http://www.computerandvideogames.com/288293/battlefield-3-pc-console-ports-not-how-we-do-things-says-dice/" target="_blank">http://www.computerandvideogames.com/28829...ings-says-dice/</a>
Also,
PER YOUR FREAKEN WIKI PAGE QUOTES UNDER DEVELOPMENT:
/leave please<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Fundamentally the game was built to be multiplatform. It's all but impossible to build your game to run on nearly 10 year old technology and still demand maximum specifications from a modern super machine. AAA games in the current generation just don't demand system specs the way they did when the XB360 and PS3 were new, and everyone and their mom was fighting tooth and nail to look as cool as modern console games. We'll concede it wasn't a "port" so to speak, but it definitely wasn't written to fully utilize the PC at all costs.