All Your Base
NinjaBurger
Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9931Members
Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9931Members
<div class="IPBDescription">are being moved</div> Every time I've been on a marine team that's moved their starting base (whether to another hive or to another, more secure location), that marine team has won. It seems that the starting base locations are just too darn insecure.
In Nothing, for instance, you've got two long corridors giving Fades plenty of room to duck in, acid bomb, and duck out, and easily spatter mine placements into oblivion, plus that crazy vent in the back (albeit easily welded). Tactic I've always seen work - move the base to Cargo Bay. Now you've got just the one entrance, and the vent in the back gives marines an easy shot at any aliens who try to sneak through. Much more defensible, and a siege can defend three resource points at once. Alternately, I've seen the base relocated to either Viaduct (less successfully) or Power Silo (more successfully, thanks to those high ledges to hide the CC and clever use of phase gates).
On Bast, it seems the best place to move the base ASAP is engine room. Fewer vents surrounding you, and only one easy way in for aliens. Staying in the spawn room is typically suicidal. I've never seen marines move from this base, and I've almost never seen them win this map.
On Tanith, too, the marines never relocate from their base, and yet the situation is quite similar to that on Nothing - two long corridors giving Fades an easy way to acid bomb marines into yesterday. It seems utterly stupid to remain in this room for very long. Much better to pick up and move. Unfortunately, on this map there are no real blind alleys - every room has more than one way in. Best option would seem to be Waste Hive, but even with welded vents there are still two ways in, and Fades can acid bomb through the vents regardless of weld.
Anyone have any other suggestions for places to move the marine base on these or other maps?
In Nothing, for instance, you've got two long corridors giving Fades plenty of room to duck in, acid bomb, and duck out, and easily spatter mine placements into oblivion, plus that crazy vent in the back (albeit easily welded). Tactic I've always seen work - move the base to Cargo Bay. Now you've got just the one entrance, and the vent in the back gives marines an easy shot at any aliens who try to sneak through. Much more defensible, and a siege can defend three resource points at once. Alternately, I've seen the base relocated to either Viaduct (less successfully) or Power Silo (more successfully, thanks to those high ledges to hide the CC and clever use of phase gates).
On Bast, it seems the best place to move the base ASAP is engine room. Fewer vents surrounding you, and only one easy way in for aliens. Staying in the spawn room is typically suicidal. I've never seen marines move from this base, and I've almost never seen them win this map.
On Tanith, too, the marines never relocate from their base, and yet the situation is quite similar to that on Nothing - two long corridors giving Fades an easy way to acid bomb marines into yesterday. It seems utterly stupid to remain in this room for very long. Much better to pick up and move. Unfortunately, on this map there are no real blind alleys - every room has more than one way in. Best option would seem to be Waste Hive, but even with welded vents there are still two ways in, and Fades can acid bomb through the vents regardless of weld.
Anyone have any other suggestions for places to move the marine base on these or other maps?
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On Tanith, I like SatCom more then Waste Handling.
For example, if they have Computer Core on Eclipse, do not go to eclipse hive or maintenance, as the skulks can get to the fight for the unnoccupied hive much faster than the marines.
I've had a few requests to write a guide for ns_nancy as a followup to my ns_caged guide. If I have the time, I may put one together within the next few weeks.
Mess Hall is chosen because it is said to "split the map in half", thus giving the marines control of the entire map. But what's typically forgotten is that Nancy has one of the most lengthy vent systems of any map, and it's possible to move between all three hives without ever leaving the vent system.
Coupled with the fact that the Mess Hall is quite indefensible (there are 4 ways in, if you count the window), and the fact that the Bridge spawn area is a deathtrap (long narrow tunnel, perfect for splash attacks), it all just screams "take over a hive".
Best option is probably moving towards the opposite side of the map, towards Port Engine Room hive and Auxiliary command. It's much more defensible, and more importantly, it's a hive. But it is a long, hard run, and it's iffy.
In any case, the key here is a good solid offense. Falling back on defense will always fail because the Fades can splash the entire bridge without getting hit.
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If you don't weld the vent open, there is only one hallway you need to worry about, and can also deny the mother interface node through sieges. The marines kept us out of subspace hive for over an hour one game, using mass grenade launchers into the hallway, with LMG users and large numbers of turrets gunning anyone down any fade who managed to get past the spam. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
We finally took them down in one suicidal rush aimed at their armories, we all died, but took both armories out. They hadn't recovered when we re-evolved, returned and took them out at last. <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='pudgy.gif'><!--endemo-->
And then ONE enterprising marine pops you with a pistol, ruining your day, and all the resources that went to the def chambers, which were taken away from the gorge actually doing something useful at the start goes nowhere when the marine commander just busts out one grenade launcher that he would have made anyway, and the def towers are cleared out... Then the commander is a moron in the first place if he builds far enough out of his little sheltered area that his stuff can be spiked.
Hehehehe, I was in that game. Your name cracks me up.
I was one of the fool grenade-spamming marines. Man, I kinda felt cheap, but the times I wasn't doing it, Fades were chewing my face off.
gg
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Bast : #1 Feedwater Hive, 2 openings easily defended, and the third entrance, water, drowns most. atmospheric nearby for 2 more res easy and 1 res down the ladder shaft. Port Engine Room Hive seems easy to defend, until you look at all the vents. plus little res. Refinery Hive has many attack routes, hard to defend.
Caged: #1 Generator Hive because it is closer, and more easily defended. but Ventilation System Hive is a close second, with a built in res nozzle - very leaky defenses and further away though. Sewer is too hard to defend, and its resource next door is also hard to defend.
Eclipse: #1 Maintenance Access Hive because it is most easliy defended and offers easy access to S loop and comp core. it does have a lot of hiding places though. #2 Computer Core Hive. #3 Eclipse Command Hive is just hard to build in or defend long. i have seen a cc base in Eclipse Command Hive go down most often of the 3, usually by getting tied up in the Triad morass. but all are weak in someway.
Hera: #1 moving CC to Archiving Hive is easiest to defend, but least res. #2 Ventilation Hive is harder to defend, but gives easy control over 2 res - but you are futher from holoroom. #3 Data Core Delta Hive is just plain far away, and leaky, and low res nozzels.
Nancy: #1 Subspace Array Interface Hive is easiest to defend by a hair. Unnamed (Mother) Hive is leaky (2 doors & 2 vents), but closest to start. Port Engine Room Hive is ok, but a long hike. they are really almost all equally good, and better than the original base.
Nothing: #1 Cargo Bay Foyer Hive is VITAL to marines. it is worth 3 res nearby, and very easy to defend. usualy i have seen marines lose if this hive is not in possesion. #2 Power Silo Hive is a very distant second choice for a CC relocation.
Tanith: i have no hive choice. all are leaky, Waste Handling Hive the least because i can in part be welded shut. but i have seen lurks, gorges & Fades shoot thru the gratings. Satellite Communucations Hive is also leaky, and even Fusion Reactor Hive has 2 vents nearby.
actually the best CC base for this map i have had experience with is Cargo Storage, outside Fusion. while it is leaky, it has 3 doors+the weldable, the doors close on 2; and it gives easy access to Sat Com area, Fusion hive, and the Reactor room for up to 5-6 res.
That one just amused me...
Data Core Delta being worst for marine relocation? Rofl.
Build in processing, and marines win the game. Simple as that. (Processing is right outside DCD)
2 sieges, 2 hives covered.
Even though there is one RT, you only need to hold that one position...
How could there be an empty hive if they have Onos and spore cloud?
Moving on bast is just pointless... Marines have to take one (ONE) hive to win.
Feedwater or refinery.
As of now, (will be fixed in patch) they can siege engine room hive FROM THE MARINE START.
If aliens start there, gg.