It's 2012

rmbrown09rmbrown09 Join Date: 2012-10-17 Member: 162592Members
edited November 2012 in NS2 General Discussion
I should be able to alt tab without

> Crushing permanent FPS drop of about 70%
> Crashing of the game completely

Can this please be something that gets fixed soon. I alt tab a lot between games and it really sucks having to relaunch the whole game.
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  • TimMcTimMc Join Date: 2012-02-06 Member: 143945Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2033879:date=Nov 24 2012, 07:00 PM:name=rmbrown09)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rmbrown09 @ Nov 24 2012, 07:00 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2033879"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I should be able to alt tab without -

    > Crushing permanent FPS drop of about 70%
    > Crashing of the game completely

    Can this please be something that gets fixed soon. I alt tab a lot between games and it really sucks having to relaunch the whole game.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    Yeah I'm not sure when this started happening, but pre-release I could minimise and come back very pleasantly. Now... it always crashes.
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  • RokiyoRokiyo A.K.A. .::FeX::. Revenge Join Date: 2002-10-10 Member: 1471Members, Constellation
    Just turn on full-screen windowed mode. It's 2012, nobody uses old-school full-screen any more. :P
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  • SehzadeSehzade Join Date: 2010-12-29 Member: 76024Members
    it doesn't crash for me.
    just sometimes when i minimize during the loading screen.
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  • IronHorseIronHorse Developer, QA Manager, Technical Support & contributor Join Date: 2010-05-08 Member: 71669Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Subnautica Playtester, Subnautica PT Lead, Pistachionauts
    It is known :)
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  • HivelordHivelord Join Date: 2003-06-21 Member: 17567Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited November 2012
    more ram?
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  • SoundFXSoundFX Join Date: 2003-08-21 Member: 20048Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2033882:date=Nov 24 2012, 08:04 PM:name=Rokiyo)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rokiyo @ Nov 24 2012, 08:04 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2033882"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Just turn on full-screen windowed mode. It's 2012, nobody uses old-school full-screen any more. :P<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    This. Everyone should be running dual monitors anyway, amiright?

    Ontopic: Yea, that's crappy to those that do use Alt-Tab. Have faith that it will get fixed.
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  • HivelordHivelord Join Date: 2003-06-21 Member: 17567Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    I'm running full-screen windowed and I can alt tab between anything instantly.
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  • buhehebuhehe Join Date: 2012-05-15 Member: 152140Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2033892:date=Nov 25 2012, 02:18 AM:name=Hivelord)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hivelord @ Nov 25 2012, 02:18 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2033892"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->more ram?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Like if 8gb wasn't enough...
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  • JediPhreaKJediPhreaK Join Date: 2012-11-05 Member: 167028Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2033951:date=Nov 24 2012, 08:53 PM:name=buhehe)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (buhehe @ Nov 24 2012, 08:53 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2033951"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Like if 8gb wasn't enough...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I have 24 ......
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  • GlissGliss Join Date: 2003-03-23 Member: 14800Members, Constellation, NS2 Map Tester
    <!--quoteo(post=2033900:date=Nov 24 2012, 05:30 PM:name=Hivelord)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hivelord @ Nov 24 2012, 05:30 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2033900"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I'm running full-screen windowed and I can alt tab between anything instantly.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    this isn't an option for everyone. running windowed fullscreen gives massive FPS drops
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  • rmbrown09rmbrown09 Join Date: 2012-10-17 Member: 162592Members
    edited November 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=2033992:date=Nov 24 2012, 09:30 PM:name=JediPhreaK)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JediPhreaK @ Nov 24 2012, 09:30 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2033992"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I have 24 ......<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    You will never ever realistically use that much Ram. Unless you open every program you have installed and try and render out 4 different 4k videos and play some NS2 all at once..

    Even 8GB is a lot. I have never breached 5GB and I'm not a casual user.
    Although I am about to get 16GB, but that's just because it's quad channel ram and you need 4 sticks for it to run in quad mode on a 2011 socket.
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  • ImbalanxdImbalanxd Join Date: 2011-06-15 Member: 104581Members
    I've never had an issue with this, and I don't use windowed mode.
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  • {GGs} Chicken{GGs} Chicken Join Date: 2011-11-22 Member: 134663Members, NS2 Map Tester
    I thought it was 2011, thanks for clearing that up OP.


    But anyways, it's been like this for over 2 years, so don't get your hopes up on anything happening soon.
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  • rmbrown09rmbrown09 Join Date: 2012-10-17 Member: 162592Members
    Also: It's 2012, if you're not building your armories on top of each other, uninstall now.


    <a href="http://cl.ly/image/3i0b3t2A2s1f/Image%202012-11-24%20at%2011.07.18%20PM.png" target="_blank">http://cl.ly/image/3i0b3t2A2s1f/Image%2020....07.18%20PM.png</a>
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  • kalvkalv Join Date: 2004-09-04 Member: 31339Members
    I alt tab frequently as well and I never had a problem. It takes about 3 seconds for the game to load back normally.
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  • BentRingBentRing Join Date: 2003-03-04 Member: 14318Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2033996:date=Nov 24 2012, 10:34 PM:name=Gliss)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gliss @ Nov 24 2012, 10:34 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2033996"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->this isn't an option for everyone. running windowed fullscreen gives massive FPS drops<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    Really? I haven't tried normal fullscreen for months. Gonna have to try this and hope alt tab isn't broken for me.
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  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    edited November 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=2034006:date=Nov 24 2012, 11:45 PM:name=rmbrown09)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rmbrown09 @ Nov 24 2012, 11:45 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2034006"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You will never ever realistically use that much Ram. Unless you open every program you have installed and try and render out 4 different 4k videos and play some NS2 all at once..

    Even 8GB is a lot. I have never breached 5GB and I'm not a casual user.
    Although I am about to get 16GB, but that's just because it's quad channel ram and you need 4 sticks for it to run in quad mode on a 2011 socket.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    We were saying that about 8 gig 2 years ago. It's not bad to have 24 right now. Just a tiny bit too early.
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  • GuspazGuspaz Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2862Members, Constellation
    16GB of RAM is $75-80 now, so there's really no point in only putting 8GB of RAM in a new high-performance machine. It's not hard to need more than 8GB of RAM; remember you need to leave spare room for caching.
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  • IronHorseIronHorse Developer, QA Manager, Technical Support & contributor Join Date: 2010-05-08 Member: 71669Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Subnautica Playtester, Subnautica PT Lead, Pistachionauts
    <!--quoteo(post=2034059:date=Nov 24 2012, 10:16 PM:name={GGs} Chicken)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE ({GGs} Chicken @ Nov 24 2012, 10:16 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2034059"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I thought it was 2011, thanks for clearing that up OP.


    But anyways, it's been like this for over 2 years, so don't get your hopes up on anything happening soon.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    No it hasn't. Don't spread misinformation, chicken.
    It was fixed multiple times publicly in the course of alpha and beta, dozens of times internally.
    It was like 3 months or something of no alt tabbing issues and now 230 brought it back.
    Its just something that is easy to break and easy to fix again.
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  • {GGs} Chicken{GGs} Chicken Join Date: 2011-11-22 Member: 134663Members, NS2 Map Tester
    <!--quoteo(post=2034822:date=Nov 25 2012, 08:55 PM:name=ironhorse)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ironhorse @ Nov 25 2012, 08:55 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2034822"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->No it hasn't. Don't spread misinformation, chicken.
    It was fixed multiple times publicly in the course of alpha and beta, dozens of times internally.
    It was like 3 months or something of no alt tabbing issues and now 230 brought it back.
    Its just something that is easy to break and easy to fix again.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Whenever it was fixed, it'd just brake again the next week. But okay, let me rephrase that given your information.


    It's been this way on and off for atleast 1 year and 9 months.


    I hope thats better.
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  • xDragonxDragon Join Date: 2012-04-04 Member: 149948Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow
    Actually the game has had crashing issues since probably ~140s, they fixed it shortly before than then it broke around there, I cannot remember the exact build.

    I can pretty much say Ive crashed almost every build by alt-tabbing since when developing mods I alt-tab alot between the game/notepad and such.
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  • nUfl0wnUfl0w Join Date: 2005-02-25 Member: 42412Members
    for me the huge fps drops (down to 5fps or second freezes) only occure if I move the mouse after alt-tabbing back into the game. is that also known of? i like to use my mouse while playing games, for aiming n stuff, you know?! :(
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  • NeokenNeoken Bruges, Belgium Join Date: 2004-03-20 Member: 27447Members, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Silver, Subnautica Playtester
    edited November 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=2033879:date=Nov 24 2012, 08:00 PM:name=rmbrown09)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rmbrown09 @ Nov 24 2012, 08:00 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2033879"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I should be able to alt tab without

    > Crushing permanent FPS drop of about 70%
    > Crashing of the game completely

    Can this please be something that gets fixed soon. I alt tab a lot between games and it really sucks having to relaunch the whole game.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Performance issues aside, you could use the steam overlay to surf the web anytime if you want to, if that's what you do when you alt tab.
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  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    edited November 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=2034900:date=Nov 26 2012, 06:48 AM:name=xDragon)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xDragon @ Nov 26 2012, 06:48 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2034900"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Actually the game has had crashing issues since probably ~140s, they fixed it shortly before than then it broke around there, I cannot remember the exact build.

    I can pretty much say Ive crashed almost every build by alt-tabbing since when developing mods I alt-tab alot between the game/notepad and such.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    For mod testing purposes, I'd use windowed mode in any case (faster and more stable :) )


    However I always play games in windowed mode anyway, the borderless variant for NS2 eats up more FPS though...
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  • lwflwf Join Date: 2006-11-03 Member: 58311Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=2033996:date=Nov 25 2012, 05:34 AM:name=Gliss)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gliss @ Nov 25 2012, 05:34 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2033996"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->this isn't an option for everyone. running windowed fullscreen gives massive FPS drops<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Indeed, NS2 isn't playable in windowed mode on my machine while for example windowed fullscreen for TF2 works just as well as exclusive fullscreen. It's a nice option to have but it's only a bandaid.
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  • zaggehzaggeh Join Date: 2010-07-26 Member: 72850Members
    I reinstalled NS2 yesterday and I played with the default options, so full screen non windowed and I was able to tab out and back in relatively fast without any issues.
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  • xDragonxDragon Join Date: 2012-04-04 Member: 149948Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow
    I do use windowed mode when it starts to bother me enough, but makes testing certain things more difficult than it should be because of FPS drops/random and sudden freezing I get.
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  • SixtyWattManSixtyWattMan Join Date: 2004-09-05 Member: 31404Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2034756:date=Nov 25 2012, 11:21 PM:name=Guspaz)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Guspaz @ Nov 25 2012, 11:21 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2034756"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->16GB of RAM is $75-80 now, so there's really no point in only putting 8GB of RAM in a new high-performance machine. It's not hard to need more than 8GB of RAM; remember you need to leave spare room for caching.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    There is really no point in putting 16GB of RAM in a machine primarily used for gaming. That $40 could be put elsewhere. You buy what you need for the task you plan on doing.
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  • NammNamm Join Date: 2011-12-08 Member: 137116Members
    2012? I've played games that multitasked flawlessly in 1992. :P
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  • MestaritonttuMestaritonttu Join Date: 2004-07-29 Member: 30229Members, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold
    It's 2012 and I still don't alt-tab, in any game. It's like the dread has seeped into my spine, "don't alt-tab man, yeah i know it looks like nothings changed, but you just lost 1 fps, also there's a memory error there somewhere, don't do it man, don't alt-tab..."
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