Adding TXAA and FXAA

XenderXender Join Date: 2012-11-06 Member: 167800Members
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I think devs, should add TXAA and FXAA to Spark Engine. It will give greate performance boost for Geforce 6xx users and let them fully comfortable to use AA.
I think about it because i can't play fully comfortable at gf 660Ti so it's kind of problem because this is not cheap gpu and low fps number provides the engine is bad optimized...
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  • purephoenixpurephoenix Join Date: 2012-11-17 Member: 172074Members
    I don't see how you think it's badly optimised? I get 40-60 fps on a gtx 460 with a 'dozer 8150 at 4ghtz.... that's only a mild overclock, they can go to 5.4 with aftermarket air cooling.

    1600x1200, most settings off, textures on High. I did a test and went to 4.4ghtz with 4 cores disabled, i actually dropped in performance.

    All those entities and dynamic lights just take more resources than you give them credit for.... No other game engine in the world can handle that many. Even Cry3 / UT5 crash or drop under 10fps
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  • XenderXender Join Date: 2012-11-06 Member: 167800Members
    This a bit sad, gpu for 400$ and it can't handle game at maxed details at 1680x1050.
    Using FXAA and TXAA against standard AA will give performance boost.
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  • purephoenixpurephoenix Join Date: 2012-11-17 Member: 172074Members
    This is getting nuts...

    you have a $400 card, so what? That same card didn't let you play crysis or UT on those settings you want, when the games were released.

    Why would you think a mid-range card is going to give you top-end performance on a brand new game engine? That kind of thinking is so many levels of retarded....
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  • knoxvilleknoxville Join Date: 2012-11-07 Member: 167905Members
    fxaa is not top-end performance.
    otherwise he would be asking for ambient occlusion, bloom etc.
    and calling someone retard? childish.
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  • XenderXender Join Date: 2012-11-06 Member: 167800Members
    FXAA, is less powerconsumable for kepler family, this technology is modern and its good way to add it in to engine.
    Yeah Spark is new, good and beauty but guys don't glorify, just tell: yeah this is good but this can be better.
    I don't say: Oh no, my i have fps drops please make engine faster. I say: FXAA should increase performance for kelper owners.
    And i don't calling anyony reatard...


    And one more, a bit off topic.
    When Crysis or UT3 was released for 400$ i can buy high end card, now its middle, its weird xD
    One more, UT3 have grate optimization.
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  • knoxvilleknoxville Join Date: 2012-11-07 Member: 167905Members
    i was addressing that to purephoenix, not you.
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  • purephoenixpurephoenix Join Date: 2012-11-17 Member: 172074Members
    edited November 2012
    I'm not being childish at all, it's the truth and you should quit making excuses and man up to the fact that it was a stupid claim.
    $400 is nothing in terms of a video card or processor.

    edit; Unless said processor is AMD.... then you can get ridiculously lucky sometimes in terms of overclocking. Like my bulldozer going up to 10.2ghtz hue hue hue...
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  • maessemaesse Join Date: 2010-04-08 Member: 71213Members
    Isn't FXAA already in the game? The GPU memory bandwidth is already taking a beating because of the deferred rendering, so I'd assume that they would just do is as a screenspace post-effect.
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  • XenderXender Join Date: 2012-11-06 Member: 167800Members
    I check load of gpu bandwidth when i playing NS2 and it never surpass 86%
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  • ShEpShEp Join Date: 2010-07-20 Member: 72597Members
    The Anti-aliasing in the game is FXAA. I dislike FXAA since all it does is blur edges and doesn't do a very good job at actually removing jaggies.

    I would certainly like to see real anti-aliasing implemented into the game eventually (MSAA or maybe TXAA?).
    This is probably (and understandably) low priority but I would definitely be happy to see it appear somewhere down the road!

    That being said aliasing isn't that big a problem in NS2. It doesn't really bother me, not nearly as much as bigger scale games anyway.
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  • purephoenixpurephoenix Join Date: 2012-11-17 Member: 172074Members
    edited November 2012
    The edges of aliens i could understand being a bit fuzzy, they're a bacteria based life form. They're never going to have sharp edges.

    But map buildings and TS<!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->F<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--> marine buildings should look nice and smart. Very clean
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  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    MSAA would be preferred as it is far superior to FXAA, but in general there is no overhead in terms of AA causing performance issues, so any AA type is basically free in terms of performance hit. Unless you are using a seriously underpowered videocard

    Also purephoenix, I fix that for ya :P
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  • NordicNordic Long term camping in Kodiak Join Date: 2012-05-13 Member: 151995Members, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Shadow
    Your cpu must be having problems not your gpu. Your 660 ti is comparable to my 6950 and I can play with everything on and get 60+ fps. I also happen to have a 4.5ghz cpu.
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  • XenderXender Join Date: 2012-11-06 Member: 167800Members
    660TI is more power full than 6950 :P
    yeah i have more than 60 fps, maybe 70 but it droping to 30-40 or in extremely situations to 20 fps 0_0
    use r_stats command to check it.
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  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    edited November 2012
    With a GPU of that caliber (both the mentioned ATI and NVIDIA), it is most certainly the CPU that is causing your FPS drops. The game code is running on the CPU and that is also part of the heavy CPU requirement/bottleneck the game has


    For example I'm running a 2500k @ 4.2Ghz combined with an older generation ATI HD5870 1Gb and I see the game above 50+FPS all the time no matter what happens. mostly hanging around 70-80FPS
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  • purephoenixpurephoenix Join Date: 2012-11-17 Member: 172074Members
    Thanks kouji? When was the lore rework done :S Ns1 they were tsA.

    And yeah, i get average 60-90 fps on my 'dozer 8150 @ 4.070ghtz and a gtx460 @ stock speeds.
    1600x1200 (2 megapixel resolution) all settings on low, except "Textures" on high. Multi-core rendering on, streaming on.
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  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    <!--quoteo(post=2028962:date=Nov 19 2012, 05:40 PM:name=purephoenix)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (purephoenix @ Nov 19 2012, 05:40 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2028962"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Thanks kouji? When was the lore rework done :S Ns1 they were tsA.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You can blame <a href="http://www.tsa.gov/" target="_blank">these guys</a>

    They are now called <b>T</b>rans <b>S</b>ystem <b>F</b>ederation
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  • purephoenixpurephoenix Join Date: 2012-11-17 Member: 172074Members
    Wow that's lame, NS1 was out way before they created their company... why would Flayra cave and change it? Public image? He worries about that too much sometimes IMO. I'd have told 'em where to "shove it" if they complained to MY company >.> American government or not they can't infringe on his freedom of speech just because they want the acronym.

    Anyway, back on topic....



    Are there any comparison screenies of attemps at FXAA and MSAA?
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  • XenderXender Join Date: 2012-11-06 Member: 167800Members
    to sum up: current the performance is not fully satisfacting and need to be better. Yeah most time it's 50FPS but when action is a big scale its droping to 20-30 on 660Ti and i5 2500k 0_0
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  • RMJRMJ Join Date: 2012-08-09 Member: 155190Members
    So TXaa and FXaa is less daming on Nvidia cards, than regular AA ?
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  • SehzadeSehzade Join Date: 2010-12-29 Member: 76024Members
    E6400 duo core (2.13gHz)
    8800GT
    5GB DDR2 RAM

    all settings on low/off

    and I have bad performance.
    well....but that's because I do not have a decent system.
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  • purephoenixpurephoenix Join Date: 2012-11-17 Member: 172074Members
    RM J yes most definately.... Stock AA is software, provided as part of the OpenGL binaries.
    TXAA and FXAA are firmware coded in the GPU.
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  • RMJRMJ Join Date: 2012-08-09 Member: 155190Members
    Awesome stuff to know . i never used those because i thought they were more demanding lol.
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  • METROIDMETROID Join Date: 2012-10-31 Member: 165171Members, Reinforced - Supporter
    There is somesort of FXAA already built in the game. But it better to force native nVidia FXAA through driver's control panel. But I really don't like any kind of FXAA. FXAA is only good to work in pair with CSAA or MSAA.
    I wish the devs implement nVidia's CSAA... or MSAA at least.
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  • METROIDMETROID Join Date: 2012-10-31 Member: 165171Members, Reinforced - Supporter
    Only I really need a normal AA?

    Bump!
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