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Know painKnow pain Join Date: 2012-09-04 Member: 157674Members
edited November 2012 in NS2 General Discussion
How much you wanna bet that cause aliens are a little bit OP in this build 6/4 that UWE (bias to marines) takes a massive noise dive to about aliens 4/6 or even 3/7 next build?

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  • Squeal_Like_A_PigSqueal_Like_A_Pig Janitor Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 66Members, Super Administrators, NS1 Playtester, NS2 Developer, Reinforced - Supporter, WC 2013 - Silver, Subnautica Developer
    <!--quoteo(post=2027657:date=Nov 18 2012, 07:04 AM:name=Know pain)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Know pain @ Nov 18 2012, 07:04 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2027657"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->that UWE (bias to marines)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    We love marines. They are so cool, waaayy better then smelly aliens. I have a plushie marine that I cuddle with every night. Flayra has a custom made suit of marine armor that he dresses up and even wears to work sometimes. If it was up to us we'd give the marines nukes, and all the exosuit players would be able to combine into a single gigantic alien stomping robot. But the silly alien loving players would probably whine too much.

    But our marine vs marine mod is coming along nicely, and we may just be able to remove all the aliens for good.

    --Cory
  • HyperformsHyperforms Join Date: 2012-11-04 Member: 166912Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2027681:date=Nov 17 2012, 11:35 PM:name=Squeal_Like_A_Pig)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Squeal_Like_A_Pig @ Nov 17 2012, 11:35 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2027681"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->We love marines. They are so cool, waaayy better then smelly aliens. I have a plushie marine that I cuddle with every night. Flayra has a custom made suit of marine armor that he dresses up and even wears to work sometimes. If it was up to us we'd give the marines nukes, and all the exosuit players would be able to combine into a single gigantic alien stomping robot. But the silly alien loving players would probably whine too much.

    But our marine vs marine mod is coming along nicely, and we may just be able to remove all the aliens for good.

    --Cory<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I bet that mod's got Nuketown, massive spawn camping, and helicopters raking in kills after you get an appropriate number of kills in a row on foot. =3
  • BearTornadoBearTornado Join Date: 2012-11-02 Member: 166223Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2027681:date=Nov 18 2012, 12:35 AM:name=Squeal_Like_A_Pig)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Squeal_Like_A_Pig @ Nov 18 2012, 12:35 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2027681"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->We love marines. They are so cool, waaayy better then smelly aliens. I have a plushie marine that I cuddle with every night. Flayra has a custom made suit of marine armor that he dresses up and even wears to work sometimes. If it was up to us we'd give the marines nukes, and all the exosuit players would be able to combine into a single gigantic alien stomping robot. But the silly alien loving players would probably whine too much.

    But our marine vs marine mod is coming along nicely, and we may just be able to remove all the aliens for good.

    --Cory<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Rumor has it you're going to release an exo suit with 4 miniguns and a grenade launcher that shoots grenades that explode into 10 more grenades. I'd also like an upgrade that lets me dual wield shotguns pls.
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    edited November 2012
    Gees, something smells crispy in here. I guess it was that massive burn...

    <a href="http://ns2stats.org/map/map/2" target="_blank">summit</a> vs <a href="http://ns2stats.org/map/map/6" target="_blank">refinery</a>
    the biggest imbalance in NS2 is still the maps.
  • Bad MojoBad Mojo Join Date: 2009-05-01 Member: 67317Members
    Refinery is terrible.

    Don't get me wrong, the actual architecture and design of the map is outstanding, but why is the map and all of the rooms so ridiculously massive compared to every other map?
  • ToastieToastie Join Date: 2012-11-05 Member: 167351Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2027687:date=Nov 18 2012, 02:42 AM:name=Swiftspear)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Swiftspear @ Nov 18 2012, 02:42 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2027687"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><a href="http://ns2stats.org/map/map/2" target="_blank">summit</a> vs <a href="http://ns2stats.org/map/map/6" target="_blank">refinery</a>
    the biggest imbalance in NS2 is still the maps.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I thought I felt like marines always lost on refinery, guess they pretty much do.
  • hakenspithakenspit Join Date: 2010-11-26 Member: 75300Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2027681:date=Nov 18 2012, 05:35 PM:name=Squeal_Like_A_Pig)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Squeal_Like_A_Pig @ Nov 18 2012, 05:35 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2027681"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->We love marines. They are so cool, waaayy better then smelly aliens. I have a plushie marine that I cuddle with every night. Flayra has a custom made suit of marine armor that he dresses up and even wears to work sometimes. If it was up to us we'd give the marines nukes, and all the exosuit players would be able to combine into a single gigantic alien stomping robot. But the silly alien loving players would probably whine too much.

    But our marine vs marine mod is coming along nicely, and we may just be able to remove all the aliens for good.

    --Cory<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Transform!!!...oh wait cant say that..copyrighted...damn.

    On a serious note thumbs up with camo guys, now we just need to wait for more people to realise it IS useful again.

    Had some great chuckles having walking right past a cloaked onos...something that I would never have done.
    You can actually be right where the marine is looking and he wont see you, this is the way it should be as once marines have more money they can just put obs up and cancel out the cloak.

    %'s at the moment are pretty hard to decipher...I see a lot of games that are lost not through any balance issues but just stupid decision by comms/teams.
  • SiminiSimini Join Date: 2012-09-28 Member: 160916Members
    We need some more Alien themed maps.
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2027692:date=Nov 18 2012, 03:51 AM:name=Bad Mojo)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bad Mojo @ Nov 18 2012, 03:51 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2027692"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Refinery is terrible.

    Don't get me wrong, the actual architecture and design of the map is outstanding, but why is the map and all of the rooms so ridiculously massive compared to every other map?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Apparently it doesn't help marines win at all.
  • HeatSurgeHeatSurge Some Guy Join Date: 2012-09-15 Member: 159438Members, Reinforced - Supporter
    edited November 2012
    I've played some rounds since the patch was released on a few servers (rookie friendly and not), and I've noticed a disturbing trend.

    Most of the marine teams are utterly horrible. Horrible at aiming, horrible at understanding of the game, horrible at positioning, teamwork, checking corners, defending their RTs, expanding, commanding, etc. etc.

    I have no idea why this is happening - maybe the experienced players got bored of marines and are stacking aliens every round? It seems extremely odd that they're doing it together though... or maybe commanding aliens is easier to learn? It don't remember it being easier for me when I started...

    Regardless, I really hope Charlie doesn't knee-jerk himself into nerfing aliens into oblivion somehow on the next patch. I really think the game is fine, even with the "op" regeneration. Passive regen needs a nerf, and active regen maybe up to 2-2.5 seconds, but other than that it seems fine. I have noticed no more problems killing crags together, or regenning life forms, even fades and oni than before 229. Crags are definitely not OP even stacked.

    The only thing which bothers me immensely about 229 is the 100% camo (aka Invisibility?). When that's chosen, you have no choice except to stick together in groups and have the com scan everywhere you go. That gets extremely expensive, and it severely limits marines' ability to snipe RTs or put non-concentrated map pressure. The short-range faint silhouettes of pre-229 are very much needed. Camo needs to be buffed differently somehow; not sure how but invisible skulks in people's feet is just not good IMO.
  • DavilDavil Florida, USA Join Date: 2012-08-14 Member: 155602Members, Constellation
    Yea when I play games where the marines can shoot, even like 2 of them, we generally win. But 1 person can't carry the team unless it's a small server.
  • _Necro__Necro_ Join Date: 2011-02-15 Member: 81895Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited November 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=2027681:date=Nov 18 2012, 09:35 AM:name=Squeal_Like_A_Pig)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Squeal_Like_A_Pig @ Nov 18 2012, 09:35 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2027681"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->We love marines. They are so cool, waaayy better then smelly aliens. I have a plushie marine that I cuddle with every night. Flayra has a custom made suit of marine armor that he dresses up and even wears to work sometimes. If it was up to us we'd give the marines nukes, and all the exosuit players would be able to combine into a single gigantic alien stomping robot. But the silly alien loving players would probably whine too much.

    But our marine vs marine mod is coming along nicely, and we may just be able to remove all the aliens for good.

    --Cory<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Buuuurn! :D

    Srsly "Know Pain", if you can balance a game better than the devs, make a thread with actually more as 1 line of text and write what you will change. We will see, what the other players think of that. UWE did create both teams. It's very immature to think they would prefer one team, just because balancing an asymmetric game isn't that easy.
  • HeatSurgeHeatSurge Some Guy Join Date: 2012-09-15 Member: 159438Members, Reinforced - Supporter
    It's not just about shooting. I've seen so many people in the last couple of days:
    - camping (in groups!)
    - not using phasegates
    - not defending RTs
    - camping or slowly pushing in one big blob, and noone pushing the other side of the map or elsewhere

    ...that it just melts my head.

    I get so tired playing those games, because I'm usually pushing somewhere alone, or defending RTs alone, and it's really wearing me out. I'm not saying I'm the best player or anything, but the lack of skill on marine teams, even on non-rookie-friendly servers seems staggering.
  • godriflegodrifle Join Date: 2006-12-01 Member: 58815Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2027657:date=Nov 18 2012, 07:04 AM:name=Know pain)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Know pain @ Nov 18 2012, 07:04 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2027657"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->How much you wanna bet that cause aliens are a little bit OP in this build 6/4 that UWE (bias to marines) takes a massive noise dive to about aliens 4/6 or even 3/7 next build?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Know pain, if you want to be credible, at least provide why you think UWE is biased towards a side. I'm sure that they want to make an enjoyable product for all, so they would logically want to make both sides as balanced as possible. The current balance patch might not suggest this, but it's a work in progress. Then again, the balance is so bad they should just revert the dang patch.

    Know pain, list reasons or forever lose my respect.
  • LuminothLuminoth Join Date: 2012-11-16 Member: 171739Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2027785:date=Nov 18 2012, 12:06 PM:name=HeatSurge)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (HeatSurge @ Nov 18 2012, 12:06 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2027785"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I've played some rounds since the patch was released on a few servers (rookie friendly and not), and I've noticed a disturbing trend.

    Most of the marine teams are utterly horrible. Horrible at aiming, horrible at understanding of the game, horrible at positioning, teamwork, checking corners, defending their RTs, expanding, commanding, etc. etc.

    I have no idea why this is happening - maybe the experienced players got bored of marines and are stacking aliens every round? It seems extremely odd that they're doing it together though... or maybe commanding aliens is easier to learn? It don't remember it being easier for me when I started...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Well that's easy to explain, if you have a bad comander but a good team, if you're alien you can esaily win the game because as an alien commander there isn't much you can do wrong, plus you don't even need to command your troups around, they can do whatever they think is best. While playing marine commander, you have to be able to direct you troups to the right places and coordinate them well, because you need them to build and protect. It doesn't matter if they aim well or not if they're playing in group the sum of their hits almost always keeps the aliens in check. At least early game on.

    My experience is that as an alien it doesn't bug me to have no orders at all because basically my objective is to anoy the other camp by destroying powernodes and killing the lone walkers. As a marine on the other hand, if you have no orders you don't know where to head, what to buy or if you should save your res.

    Just yesterday our team was doing great in combat, getting high KD and keeping the skulks at bay, but the commander wasn't expanding and that gave the khammander enough time expand all over the map and as soon as they had two onos we had one doublebarreled exo wich could do nothing against that (and I'm here not even complaining about the OP regeneration they have).

    To sum it up, right now the khammander is really detached from his team and doesn't really interact with it, while the marine commander must comunicate and direct his team with strengh, if you only get silence from a marine commander the game is basically lost while as an alien you don't need to care about that...
  • tarquinbbtarquinbb Join Date: 2012-11-03 Member: 166314Members
    marine commander parallel to onos drop, a 75 res nuke that kills every alien lifeform on the map.
  • DavilDavil Florida, USA Join Date: 2012-08-14 Member: 155602Members, Constellation
    I just played a game as marines on mineshaft where I literally res locked the aliens by myself. My team was fruitlessly pushing deposit forever, meanwhile I ran up cavern killed rt after rt, from cavern to central drilling to sorting. I checked my score halfway through and I had 150 points from almost all res towers. And after res towers stopped spawning, I just started killing upgrades. I imagine that comm felt how I did most of the time when i comm marines.
  • TimMcTimMc Join Date: 2012-02-06 Member: 143945Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2027681:date=Nov 18 2012, 02:35 AM:name=Squeal_Like_A_Pig)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Squeal_Like_A_Pig @ Nov 18 2012, 02:35 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2027681"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->We love marines. They are so cool, waaayy better then smelly aliens. I have a plushie marine that I cuddle with every night. Flayra has a custom made suit of marine armor that he dresses up and even wears to work sometimes. If it was up to us we'd give the marines nukes, and all the exosuit players would be able to combine into a single gigantic alien stomping robot. But the silly alien loving players would probably whine too much.

    But our marine vs marine mod is coming along nicely, and we may just be able to remove all the aliens for good.

    --Cory<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Is it just me, or has Cory become alot more sarcastic lately? :D
  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    <!--quoteo(post=2027724:date=Nov 18 2012, 09:48 AM:name=Swiftspear)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Swiftspear @ Nov 18 2012, 09:48 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2027724"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Apparently it doesn't help marines win at all.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Heh that is mostly because of the complex ceilings that make for good hiding spots and cover for agile aliens (both fatties can't climb the walls though :P)
  • xxswatelitexxxxswatelitexx Join Date: 2012-11-16 Member: 171754Members
    edited November 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=2027686:date=Nov 18 2012, 02:41 AM:name=BearTornado)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearTornado @ Nov 18 2012, 02:41 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2027686"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Rumor has it you're going to release an exo suit with 4 miniguns and a grenade launcher that shoots grenades that explode into 10 more grenades. I'd also like an upgrade that lets me dual wield shotguns pls.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I heard MiB is issuing the "Noisy Cricket" to the marines.
    <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fTqxFIpc1j4#t=15s" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=playe...qxFIpc1j4#t=15s</a>
  • RobustPenguinRobustPenguin Join Date: 2012-08-17 Member: 155719Members
    I could care less about win percentages tbh, I thought the game was so much more fun (the important part) when we were nearly 75% alien victories not so long ago. Even though you were likely gonna lose as marines it was still fun. Now, aliens feel bland and weak (with the exception of onos) and marines are just meh...
  • elpollo12elpollo12 Join Date: 2011-07-12 Member: 109909Members, Reinforced - Supporter
    <!--quoteo(post=2027908:date=Nov 18 2012, 05:30 PM:name=TimMc)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TimMc @ Nov 18 2012, 05:30 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2027908"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Is it just me, or has Cory become alot more sarcastic lately? :D<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I thought the same :)

    i like sarcasm but it looks like Cory is maybe a little bit annoyed by noob complains
  • HeatSurgeHeatSurge Some Guy Join Date: 2012-09-15 Member: 159438Members, Reinforced - Supporter
    edited November 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=2027863:date=Nov 18 2012, 07:19 AM:name=Davil)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Davil @ Nov 18 2012, 07:19 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2027863"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I just played a game as marines on mineshaft where I literally res locked the aliens by myself. My team was fruitlessly pushing deposit forever, meanwhile I ran up cavern killed rt after rt, from cavern to central drilling to sorting. I checked my score halfway through and I had 150 points from almost all res towers. And after res towers stopped spawning, I just started killing upgrades. I imagine that comm felt how I did most of the time when i comm marines.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    LOL. It must've been like my game yesterday where my entire team was pushing sorting over and over and over and over, while I ran to cavern repeatedly from repair (where the nearest phase gate was), killing skulk(s) on the way, and shooting the cave hive. I think one other person came to help a couple times, but when he died he got discouraged and kept pushing sorting with the blob.

    After about 5+ minutes of this, I killed the hive by myself (meanwhile the blob was still camping outside of sorting without being able to push in)... That was funny by itself, but then they replaced the hive, and I killed the replacement too. At that point, I had to wonder what I was doing in that game, really, and think about the deeper things in life.

    It was on a rookie-friendly server anyway, but I've had experiences similar to this on non-rookie-friendly servers with people with white names too.

    Basically:
    <img src="http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/epic-jackie-chan-template.png" border="0" class="linked-image" />
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