Sentry's in NS2
Greavol29
Join Date: 2012-11-17 Member: 172028Members
Join Date: 2012-11-17 Member: 172028Members
Whats up with people not using sentry's in NS2? Are they really that bad? It makes defending certain spots alot better. Instead of letting an army of skulks just bash an unprotected powernode/extracter. You could maybe build some sentry's, allowing more time to get back to where they are attacking. Numerous times I see commanders just rebuilding Extracters. I know they don't do OP dmg(thats what PPL wan't in the end), but not using them at all is just awkward.
Do you otherwise wan't to get the sentry's buffed up to a point where you don't have to pay attention to them anymore? That would seriously imbalance some things.
Let me hear what you think about it...
Do you otherwise wan't to get the sentry's buffed up to a point where you don't have to pay attention to them anymore? That would seriously imbalance some things.
Let me hear what you think about it...
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consensus: a single skulk can kill them all using LoS to avoid taking damage. a total waste of resources.
phase gate + armory = 25 resources.
consensus: as long as marines are alert, the area becomes almost impossible for aliens to reclaim.
fun fact: if you place 3 sentry gun's to defend a lone extractor, it takes 210 seconds before that extractor starts to turn a profit. plus it can still be killed by a lone skulk.
edit: i only ever place sentry's when my team is awful and only ever to defend key locations like 2nd tech points which already have PG, armory, observatory etc.
I hatched before he died.
I don't get the argument "we want this to be player vs player game not player v structure".... you know the aliens have a lot of defensive structures that can kill us, and as a marine i find myself shooting these structures a LOT in games...
By getting rid of the battery, a single bilebomb will no longer obliterate all three sentry guns in seconds at least, and power nodes will affect them, just like they affect all other marine structures. (consistency is important in an already complex game like this). In addition, they could probably use a little more HP in general.
I don't get the argument "we want this to be player vs player game not player v structure".... you know the aliens have a lot of defensive structures that can kill us, and as a marine i find myself shooting these structures a LOT in games...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
if you're attacking a hive, you can very quickly build a few sentry guns inside the hive room to support your attack.
how can skulks effectively take out the marines when there's 3 sentry guns to worry about? it almost completely nullifies the defenders advantage.
sentry does have uses... it's just a really terrible static defender. i guess once you kill the hive you can recycle the sentry's and push forward with the same offensive sentry tactic.
i've noticed pub commanders are starting to experiment with ARC... it's only a matter of time before more start experimenting with offensive sentry, because they (in theory) could be extremely strong if used correctly.
Where are you getting your information?
Batteries are 5 so a full nest is only 20
Sentry nest in hive is official the cheapest strat marines can use to win a game and has been for a few patches
The second best strat right now is for marines to win in midgame by rushing arms lab <i>(usually requiring that you sell the armory)</i>
This requires that your team can shoot; however, and isn't always in the cards
sentries alone cant do anything, if you plant them in every res node, youre doing it wrong, they cant protect both rt and powernode, so skulks can sneak behind rt and reason you planted sentries is wasted, only noob skulks gets intimated by sentries, neither can they protect tech location alone.
the real use of turrets are the same as gorges hydras, you plant them in to the "hot zone", in place both sides try to constantly get, they provide extra firepower and helps marines.
so to op :
yes, sentries are prettymuch useless the way you try to suggest, they are not worth the res to plant in everysingle node in the map, it takes like someone said 3minutes for that resnode to payback those turrets, and that's not the worstpart, because those turrets wont help anything, skulk can still destroy in worst case both turrets and rt.
here is funny fact also : when you leave that resourcetower unprotected, even if it gets instantly destroyed by 1 skulk, it's still worth the res because of ammount of time it takes to bite it down, and the sametime you slowdown that skulk.
so just keep rebuilding those resourcetowers, its alot smarter than planting turrets.
how can skulks effectively take out the marines when there's 3 sentry guns to worry about? it almost completely nullifies the defenders advantage.
sentry does have uses... it's just a really terrible static defender. i guess once you kill the hive you can recycle the sentry's and push forward with the same offensive sentry tactic.
i've noticed pub commanders are starting to experiment with ARC... it's only a matter of time before more start experimenting with offensive sentry, because they (in theory) could be extremely strong if used correctly.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you have time and res to do that, not to mention it has to be built off creep, then you're going to kill that hive with or without the sentries anyways, they won't make or break your assault... far from it.
I think UWE needs to reevaluate the role of the sentry, what do they want it to be? Charlie admitted himself that they wanted to take it out but it felt like it belonged in the game so they simply couldn't (being aliens vs marines). Every time he mentions them, it's as if he really wants them to be effective vs. buildings only, he keeps referring to "we want pvp and not player vs structure". I really don't see the big deal, how are sentries different than hydras and whips? they're structures that marines have to deal with all the time, and they can be massed and healed autonomously (crags).
I understand in NS1 there used to be sentry spamming, but this can easily be handeled in NS2, in fact it already is (limit 3 per room). I keep seeing new commanders go for sentries for defense not knowing how bad they are... they are misled. Why does't the sentry tooltip say how much damage they do, and how fast they fire? perhaps if people had the info they wouldn't spent res on sentries.
Where are you getting your information?
Batteries are 5 so a full nest is only 20
Sentry nest in hive is official the cheapest strat marines can use to win a game and has been for a few patches
The second best strat right now is for marines to win in midgame by rushing arms lab <i>(usually requiring that you sell the armory)</i>
This requires that your team can shoot; however, and isn't always in the cards<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i wasn't 100% sure, but i thought it was 10, so i checked the wiki to confirm battery = 10.
<a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/wiki/index.php/Sentry_Battery" target="_blank">http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/wiki/inde.../Sentry_Battery</a>
Against any good alien commander you would be facing a 6 min onos without any weapons, research, or upgrades, just stock marines and sentries, unless you skip out on getting extractors and don't research phase which is what happens almost all the time. If you are facing a bad alien commander you would still lose, as you are giving up map control aka the game to turtle like an idiot and waste an hour of your marines' time building worthless static defences instead of supporting them, akin to trolling. Early robo should be met with vote to eject.
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Sorry, I'm german and I haven't used english in a while. ;) I hope you can understand me. :P
The only scenario in which I see sentries working is the very early game, when bb is not an option and skulks dont have upgrades. But the time and resources it will take you to put them up, will hinder your mid game, ultimately losing you your late game.
The only people I have seen using sentries are new comers, and that is completely fine. It's just that I have yet to play a game in which the teams are balanced, and marines win having gone for sentries early on.
To sum up, there are plenty of other vital things you could be spending your res on.
The solution is bullets.
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Two, they have two structures and one of those dies in 1 lmg clip while the other has near melee range.
Also sentries are for supporting your marines, not for defending on their own. With sentries 1 marine can do the job of 3.
this having to place them next to a battery is silly
thank you lol
wtf is up with these kids nowadays