I went with 3 shifts instead of a 2nd hive. . .

MaximumSquidMaximumSquid Join Date: 2010-07-20 Member: 72593Members
edited November 2012 in NS2 General Discussion
<b><u>Update:</u></b> Ok this is probably too OP and needs a nerf. . . <a href="http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xv46fz_229-shift-rush-refinery_videogames" target="_blank">Check out Video 2</a> I made which was after people on both sides knew the strat
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I put them in the marine base. . .

<img src="http://i3.minus.com:81/jbvXpFd4WNPnbs.png" border="0" class="linked-image" />

It was really eerie actually. . .
Not the fight, but the moments just before
I had the team line up and make a distraction while I cysted in and misted the shifts

All the skulks died, but then 30 eggs appeared

I can image that in that moment that time must have slowed down for the Marine team
None of them moved. . . just the sound of a few reloading guns to accompany the warm, soothing gestation

<i>Then the chaos</i>

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Made a short video of the next time I did it:
<a href="http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xv3ocf_229-shift-rush-tram#.UKSNXMW5CM8" target="_blank">http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xv3ocf_22...am#.UKSNXMW5CM8</a>

It's very hard to counter once it's rolling

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  • DavilDavil Florida, USA Join Date: 2012-08-14 Member: 155602Members, Constellation
    edited November 2012
    Yea I was in the game, I got done holding everyone off in east skylights and departures only to realize we were completely screwed. Those were some REALLY stacked teams though.
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  • KovenKoven Join Date: 2007-04-20 Member: 60677Members, Constellation
    Egg rush?
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  • DarkTitan94DarkTitan94 Join Date: 2012-11-14 Member: 171009Members
    they proably were hungry and wanted to make some egg salad :)
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  • terrorizerterrorizer Join Date: 2009-08-05 Member: 68359Members
    edited November 2012
    Looks like Interesting and funny strategy. As i understand, it based on skulk rush to marine base.
    Waiting for video to watch. ))
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  • JuomariJuomari Join Date: 2012-11-05 Member: 167141Members
    you only control 90% of the map.... yup, you would have won no matter what you would have done, you could have easily spammed whips and bring them to marine base and they would been just as clueless and you would have won the game.
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  • CobraCommanderCobraCommander Join Date: 2012-07-30 Member: 154472Members
    I was in a game similar to this. Someone mentioned you can spawn eggs through walls into the marine base :( if it's true I hope it gets fixed :)
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  • SixtyWattManSixtyWattMan Join Date: 2004-09-05 Member: 31404Members
    edited November 2012
    You called me rude in a game earlier. =(

    I actually left that game because the team stacking was so bad.
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  • RuntehRunteh Join Date: 2010-06-26 Member: 72163Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited November 2012
    Egg rush... hahahah!

    Looks like you already owned most of the map though :| Again, this is a problem with some of these chamber upgrades. If only you could risk this early game! Which is why I thinkshift should allow certain structures to generate their own infestation.
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  • MaximumSquidMaximumSquid Join Date: 2010-07-20 Member: 72593Members
    I got a short video of when I did it a few games later as Alien Comm in a less stacked game for anyone who wants to <a href="http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xv3ocf_229-shift-rush-tram_videogames#.UKTtH8W5CM8" target="_blank">Live Vicariously</a>

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    <u><b>SixtyWattMan:</b></u>

    Yeah. . . well you did call me names after I complimented your well placed hydras behind the waterfall that downed me

    I only mentioned it to you in game because you seem really well manned on the forums

    Nothing wrong by it. . . I act completely differently in game too <i>(quite insane sometimes actually if you catch me typing in all caps)</i>

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    <u><b>Runteh:</b></u>

    I'm actually on a quest now to prove it's viability in even games

    If you watched the clip it comes on very strong and is almost impossible to counter once it's rolling
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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Join Date: 2003-11-28 Member: 23688
    Nice to see an alien win not revolving around onos.
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  • TyphonTyphon Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 1899Members
    Awesome, I love seeing weird tactics develop!
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  • tarquinbbtarquinbb Join Date: 2012-11-03 Member: 166314Members
    this is why marines are meant to kill cysts...

    i mean you could have put a bunch of whips near the IP's or anything, right?

    if marines allow cysts to enter their base then their team is massively inferior.
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  • ToastieToastie Join Date: 2012-11-05 Member: 167351Members
    I love it.
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  • MistenTHMistenTH Join Date: 2003-01-01 Member: 11706Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    Awesome, bold unorthodox strategy!

    Kudos for daring to experiment :D

    Might try to pull this off when I can heh.
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  • Draco HoustonDraco Houston Join Date: 2012-11-05 Member: 167145Members
    edited November 2012
    I love shifts. I've been getting a few around the map before the 2nd hive as well, but mostly because pretty much every game we had a lot of map control and I could afford them. Easily my favourite alien building. A shift in the middle of the map makes your team so mobile.
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  • nSidianSidia Join Date: 2012-08-15 Member: 155651Members
    look at that shift in the ceiling lol
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  • MaximumSquidMaximumSquid Join Date: 2010-07-20 Member: 72593Members
    edited November 2012
    Ok. . . I'm calling it. . .

    This is way overpowered and needs a nerf

    Watch this <a href="http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xv46fz_229-shift-rush-refinery_videogames#.UKURHsW5CM8" target="_blank">other video I made of the second game on Refinery</a>

    We had already won the first game using 3 Shift Play so game two everyone should of been ready for it

    Screenshot from Game 1 <i>(battle lasted almost 2 minutes which is very impressive considering the pressure it puts on)</i>

    <img src="http://i6.minus.com:81/jbrBEg8po9eRcM.png" border="0" class="linked-image" />

    Anyone catch the Alter Beast reference?

    <i>That's exactly what it feels like everytime I do this</i>

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  • Draco HoustonDraco Houston Join Date: 2012-11-05 Member: 167145Members
    I'll have to try this rush some time, I'm getting kind of bored of predictable wins
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  • ArgathorArgathor Join Date: 2011-07-18 Member: 110942Members, Squad Five Blue
    The problem is, against an evenly (and reasonably) experienced and skilled marine team, you will never get that close to the marine base during the early/mid game where marines have a distinct advantage.

    This is clearly possible and fun for publics where people have little idea what they are doing, but I think you will find this more and more difficult as time passes.
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  • MaximumSquidMaximumSquid Join Date: 2010-07-20 Member: 72593Members
    <u><b>Argathor:</b></u>

    When it fails it's not an immediate thing

    It might be 3-5 minutes before the marine team can pull out of it

    By that time you either own the whole map or your team has gained 30-40 res each and are about to all go onos
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  • ArgathorArgathor Join Date: 2011-07-18 Member: 110942Members, Squad Five Blue
    <!--quoteo(post=2024761:date=Nov 15 2012, 05:51 PM:name=MaximumSquid)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaximumSquid @ Nov 15 2012, 05:51 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2024761"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><u><b>Argathor:</b></u>

    When it fails it's not an immediate thing

    It might be 3-5 minutes before the marine team can pull out of it

    By that time you either own the whole map or your team has gained 30-40 res each and are about to all go onos<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    How exactly? When you cannot get within an entire room of the marine team's base it is simply not possible to initiate the strategy. I think you are underestimating how terrible the teams you play against in publics are, this is really cool and I would love to see it sometime but player ability improving will prevent this eventually in publics (with the current game balance).
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  • DavilDavil Florida, USA Join Date: 2012-08-14 Member: 155602Members, Constellation
    There's absolutely no way that would have worked if I wasn't out of the base, or the comm was paying attention. And really if you have the res to cyst all the way into the marine base and drop that many shifts you better already have the whole map. Cause losing all that would be pretty significant.
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  • OnosFactoryOnosFactory New Zealand Join Date: 2008-07-16 Member: 64637Members
    In that refinary map you own most of the res, there is even 4 aliens attacking pipe.

    I bet the marines we shooting eggs and not the shifts yeah?
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  • DanielDDanielD Join Date: 2010-11-16 Member: 74960Members
    The telling thing about the video is when the marines beacon, and all the aliens don't immediately die. You ever seen a beacon in a comp game when it's skulks vs marines? I could be wrong, but I feel like every single one I've seen ends with the skulks leaving or being shot. Marines only do better in those situations with more players, and that pub was bigger than 6v6. Clearly the marine team just wasn't very good.

    Calling wildly for nerfs because you use crazy strats in pubs vs baddies is what needs to be nerfed.
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  • tarquinbbtarquinbb Join Date: 2012-11-03 Member: 166314Members
    edited November 2012
    if the marines don't split into 2-3 groups at the start and spread about the map, it's already GG... i feel like leaving the game in the first 3 minutes when this happens.
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  • MaximumSquidMaximumSquid Join Date: 2010-07-20 Member: 72593Members
    edited November 2012
    <u><b>DanielD:</b></u>

    This isn't new. . . I've done the same strat with 5-6 Infantry Portals and rushing a Phase gate inside or next to a hive

    You can't cover stuff like summit reception and it's just an endless flood of marines after that
    <i>(long, long time before I saw anyone stop or or even defeat me after I went for it. . . 23 and 1 is no longer "vs. baddies" and I'll do it again with this strat)</i>

    Already 7 and 0 with it
    <i>(last game marines beaconed fast and shot the shifts down right away. . . I'd just drop more)</i>

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  • SixtyWattManSixtyWattMan Join Date: 2004-09-05 Member: 31404Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2024504:date=Nov 15 2012, 08:22 AM:name=MaximumSquid)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaximumSquid @ Nov 15 2012, 08:22 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2024504"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I got a short video of when I did it a few games later as Alien Comm in a less stacked game for anyone who wants to <a href="http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xv3ocf_229-shift-rush-tram_videogames#.UKTtH8W5CM8" target="_blank">Live Vicariously</a>

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    <u><b>SixtyWattMan:</b></u>

    Yeah. . . well you did call me names after I complimented your well placed hydras behind the waterfall that downed me

    I only mentioned it to you in game because you seem really well manned on the forums

    Nothing wrong by it. . . I act completely differently in game too <i>(quite insane sometimes actually if you catch me typing in all caps)</i>

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    <u><b>Runteh:</b></u>

    I'm actually on a quest now to prove it's viability in even games

    If you watched the clip it comes on very strong and is almost impossible to counter once it's rolling<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I call everyone a scrub.
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  • AurOn2AurOn2 COOKIES&#33; FREEDOM, AND BISCUITS&#33; Australia Join Date: 2012-01-13 Member: 140224Members, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Forum staff
    shifts shouldnt be able to spawn eggs in the first place, it makes them a compulsory first or second hive tech, they should onl be able to echo eggs to different parts of the map ;/
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  • Zomb3hZomb3h Join Date: 2011-01-27 Member: 79241Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=2024142:date=Nov 14 2012, 11:58 PM:name=MaximumSquid)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaximumSquid @ Nov 14 2012, 11:58 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2024142"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><b><u>Update:</u></b> Ok this is probably too OP and needs a nerf.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    It's not OP. It's the fault of the Marines.

    As far as I can see, you can't fix "stupidity."
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  • HeatSurgeHeatSurge Some Guy Join Date: 2012-09-15 Member: 159438Members, Reinforced - Supporter
    edited November 2012
    Marines on 4 RTs, aliens on 6 or 5. Already lost marine game by the looks of it. Infestation right outside of marine base, little to no reaction from marine team.

    Let's see, how should we win? Drifter rush? Whip echo? Hallucinations? A not-so-clear example of "how can I troll this already won alien game the best." Oh, shifts it is.

    I've actually been extremely appalled at how many marine teams will just let me infest right into their base as alien com, or right outside of it. It only shows people don't quite understand how the game works yet, or aliens have won already.

    By the way, phase gate next door to a hive has kinda the same effect on aliens. You should probably make a few videos about that...
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