AVP2 (2001) -mod

snailerisnaileri Join Date: 2012-11-01 Member: 165480Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Bring the awesomeness back!</div>I had to register to the forums just to say this: We need a mod where the aliens are Xenomorphs from the AVP2 (2001) game.
I know many of you older players have played the game.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W37HjHfXJuA" target="_blank">YouTube</a>

Bring back the headbite ability, the motiontracker for marines and the sound effects for aliens.
NS2 already has maps that would suit very well the AVP2 gameplay. All we need is new models, animations, sounds and some code for the weapons and the 'Survival' gamemode. Predators won't be needed - Just Aliens vs Marines.
There won't be any legal issues if all assets will be built from scratch.

Comments

  • AlignAlign Remain Calm Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5216Forum Moderators, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=2004615:date=Nov 1 2012, 05:03 PM:name=snaileri)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (snaileri @ Nov 1 2012, 05:03 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2004615"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->There won't be any legal issues if all assets will be built from scratch.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Why not?
  • snailerisnaileri Join Date: 2012-11-01 Member: 165480Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2004803:date=Nov 1 2012, 07:50 PM:name=Align)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Align @ Nov 1 2012, 07:50 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2004803"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Why not?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Why would there?
    If the mod resembles Aliens™ only audiovisually, and is not a commercial product, I don't see any problems.
  • RobustPenguinRobustPenguin Join Date: 2012-08-17 Member: 155719Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2004851:date=Nov 1 2012, 06:24 PM:name=snaileri)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (snaileri @ Nov 1 2012, 06:24 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2004851"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Why would there?
    If the mod resembles Aliens™ only audiovisually, and is not a commercial product, I don't see any problems.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Isnt a new aliens game (focussed on marines) coming out soon? Sounds like a cease and desist letter waiting to happen
  • iMuzzaaiMuzzaa Join Date: 2012-10-28 Member: 164246Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2005185:date=Nov 1 2012, 09:46 PM:name=RobustPenguin)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RobustPenguin @ Nov 1 2012, 09:46 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2005185"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Isnt a new aliens game (focussed on marines) coming out soon? Sounds like a cease and desist letter waiting to happen<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    It doesn't really have the same scope in mind I don't think, there's only 8 person multiplayer iirc.

    Also, this mod could be done, not talking about the legal issues here although I'm sure it's not a problem. Replace the infestation with alien weeds, the current aliens with xenomorph aliens. Something would need to be done about spawning though. Maybe have the ability to capture marines alive and facehug them.
  • Soul_RiderSoul_Rider Mod Bean Join Date: 2004-06-19 Member: 29388Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue
    This idea has been mentioned so many times on this forum it is starting to become annoying....

    This will not happen, the Aliens and Predator franchises are so closely guarded, that if you try and design anything close in a computer game, they will act. This is a waste of time, you won't get anywhere with this before being stopped.

    Just be unique and original, come up with your own mod/concept, rather than trying to remake old games directly in the engine. Create some unique IP for your mod, like NS did. I mean, who knows what could come from it....
  • JibrailJibrail Join Date: 2009-04-16 Member: 67200Members
    edited November 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=2005330:date=Nov 2 2012, 12:14 AM:name=Soul_Rider)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Soul_Rider @ Nov 2 2012, 12:14 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2005330"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->This idea has been mentioned so many times on this forum it is starting to become annoying....

    This will not happen, the Aliens and Predator franchises are so closely guarded, that if you try and design anything close in a computer game, they will act. This is a waste of time, you won't get anywhere with this before being stopped.

    Just be unique and original, come up with your own mod/concept, rather than trying to remake old games directly in the engine. Create some unique IP for your mod, like NS did. I mean, who knows what could come from it....<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    This pretty much says it all, why do you think with all the Alien fans out there no one made a mod yet? even if they did they prolly got a message from the IP owner telling them that they can't share it or any videos or screenshots of it.
    Now let the IP owner keep killing it with every new game untill they can't make money off of it and sell the rights to someone with brains, I wish they prove me wrong with the upcoming game but in all honesty I can't see it happen.
  • llNomadllllNomadll Join Date: 2012-11-08 Member: 168353Members
    I'm pretty sure an Aliens TC is bound to be made one day. Just wait.
  • JibrailJibrail Join Date: 2009-04-16 Member: 67200Members
    with all the legal issues coupled with the alien tradmark someone did point out to me the other day that some CS zombie servers have alien and predator skins so I hope this will happen withot any problems.
  • w0dk4w0dk4 Join Date: 2008-04-22 Member: 64129Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    Where is all that legal jazz coming from?

    Are there any sources for any cease and desist letter? Otherwise it's just silly rumours.
  • [R8]DJBourgeoisie[R8]DJBourgeoisie Join Date: 2007-09-05 Member: 62176Members
    Many AAA publishers (Warner Bros as an example) have ordered cease and decist against a number of mods in the past. Depends on the publisher, many don't care, many do.
  • WilsonWilson Join Date: 2010-07-26 Member: 72867Members
    I seen something today about an AVP mod being made on cryengine3. It might just be single player only though:

    <center><object width="450" height="356"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/lvaXsiIl_fg"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/lvaXsiIl_fg" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="450" height="356"></embed></object></center>
  • peregrinusperegrinus Join Date: 2010-07-16 Member: 72445Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2015834:date=Nov 8 2012, 10:02 PM:name=Wilson)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wilson @ Nov 8 2012, 10:02 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2015834"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I seen something today about an AVP mod being made on cryengine3. It might just be single player only though:

    <center><object width="450" height="356"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/lvaXsiIl_fg"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/lvaXsiIl_fg" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="450" height="356"></embed></object></center><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Woah...that is incredible.
  • llNomadllllNomadll Join Date: 2012-11-08 Member: 168353Members
    edited November 2012
    I did some googling and I managed to find that someone already drew up both the armor and uniform camo of the USCM.
    Decided to post this if anyone decides to take up the challenge and do some Colonial Marines reskin.

    <blockquote><blockquote><!--sizeo:4--><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo--><b><!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->USCM Camo Patterns<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--><!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec-->
    by <a href="http://guimontag.deviantart.com/" target="_blank">~GuiMontag</a></b>
    <img src="http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs45/f/2009/157/8/5/USCM_Camo_Patterns_by_GuiMontag.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
    <!--sizeo:1--><span style="font-size:8pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo-->Source: <a href="http://guimontag.deviantart.com/art/USCM-Camo-Patterns-125024719" target="_blank">http://guimontag.deviantart.com/art/USCM-C...terns-125024719</a><!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec--></blockquote></blockquote>
  • llNomadllllNomadll Join Date: 2012-11-08 Member: 168353Members
    edited November 2012
    So I decided to take matters into my own hands and make an USCM skin myself. This is the first modding attempt ever thus the weird coloring and such.
    I'm having trouble putting files on Workshop though. Can anyone help me?

    <img src="http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc210/m-muzzammil/Forum/Viewer2012-11-1501-05-51-74.png" border="0" class="linked-image" />

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    <b>Reference Pictures:</b>
    <img src="http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f291/sabres21768/other15/necahudson.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
    <img src="http://media-cache-lt0.pinterest.com/upload/195695546278506647_DszKmHHl_c.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
  • HamletHamlet Join Date: 2008-08-17 Member: 64837Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited February 2013
    <!--quoteo(post=2005185:date=Nov 1 2012, 10:46 PM:name=RobustPenguin)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RobustPenguin @ Nov 1 2012, 10:46 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2005185"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Isnt a new aliens game (focussed on marines) coming out soon?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    It's called "Colonial Marines" and please let me take a Smartgun to your hopes:
    <a href="http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/08/01/great-scott-gearbox-talk-aliens-colonial-marines/" target="_blank">http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/08/01...lonial-marines/</a>

    Those developers are oozing with indifference towards the source material. They are just doing another of those Call of Duty jobs...
    If your hopes somehow survived my first barrage, here comes the finisher because Ridley Scoot himself doesn't seem to understand his own creation:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x1YuvUQFJ0
  • NecrosisNecrosis The Loquacious Sage Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18828Members, Constellation
    That's a real nice first attempt. You should keep at it!

    To the OP, there's a reason why many older modders shudder when they hear the word "Foxed".
  • TimMcTimMc Join Date: 2012-02-06 Member: 143945Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2015679:date=Nov 8 2012, 12:28 PM:name=w0dk4)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (w0dk4 @ Nov 8 2012, 12:28 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2015679"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Where is all that legal jazz coming from?

    Are there any sources for any cease and desist letter? Otherwise it's just silly rumours.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Fairly recently alot of total conversion mods, heavily into development, have been ordered to stop by their brand owner.

    One I can think off the top of my head is a Lord of the Rings total conversion, I think for skyrim, that got told to stop. People theory-crafted that a game similar to the mod was in development, so didn't want competition.
  • NecrosisNecrosis The Loquacious Sage Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18828Members, Constellation
    Bit of a waste of theorycrafting, if WB hadn't done it then SZC certainly would have.

    It's not often that a mod is canned directly due to a competing release. Only one I can really recall was a Terminator mod that got politely asked by Atari to C&D because they were coming out with War of the Machines.

    In hindsight, even the most amateurly made mod would have destroyed WotM....
  • ritualsacrificeritualsacrifice Join Date: 2012-11-14 Member: 171148Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    Can they even do anything if you aren't selling it? I thought it would fall under fair use as long as you didn't actually call it "Aliens vs Predator" and didn't make any money off it?
  • NecrosisNecrosis The Loquacious Sage Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18828Members, Constellation
    "Fair use" isn't international, and even within the US you would struggle to define a total modification as fair use.

    There seems to be a common misconception that if it doesn't make money then it's ok. Wrong. If it has the potential to take money away from the copyright holder then it's infringement. If NS2 with Aliens would take even one cent from, say, Aliens: Colonial Marines then you'd see the Aliens mod canned and erased.
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