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Join Date: 2007-10-28 Member: 62763Members
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<div class="IPBDescription">I need ur help :(</div>hey guys,
after waiting for performance improvements for 2 years I really need some help...
First my PC settings:
Windows Xp 32 bit - Service Pack 3
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo - E8400 @ 3.00 GHz
4 Gigs of ddr 2 ram ( 3,25 GB)
GFX: ATI Radeon HD 4870, 512 mb ram - driver: date : 3th july 12;Version: 8.970.100.3000
Mainboard: Asus P5Qpro
I got around 22 - 40 fps. (most of the times under 30 fps...)
During those 200+ patches I had some performances improvements... Especially during alpha -> beta times. But those got relative since more stuff came into the game.
I run on lowest settings of course, multi core rendering on.
I dont know if my gfx is causing the problems or if it´s simply the CPU which is too slow ( temperature stays normal).
My ATI GFX drivers are pretty ###### up. The icon doesnt show in the windows bar most of the times? This is since 1 year, I guess. later drivers dont help. But I have no idea if that changes anything. During alpha times that problem wasn´t there. And I had still horrible fps ( like everyone else I guess...).
Are there some tricks, e.g. commands in game, so I can improve my FPS ? I m really starting to get upset. I guess that even when there is any improvement it wont be more than maybe 10 fps??? I just cant believe that just before version 1.0 the game is in that state... is everyone running around with core i5 / i7 on 4.0 GHZ or what??
My PC can run crysis without any major problems (!) and also L4d 2 on nearly highest settings....!!!
I really appreciate any help !! Thanks
after waiting for performance improvements for 2 years I really need some help...
First my PC settings:
Windows Xp 32 bit - Service Pack 3
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo - E8400 @ 3.00 GHz
4 Gigs of ddr 2 ram ( 3,25 GB)
GFX: ATI Radeon HD 4870, 512 mb ram - driver: date : 3th july 12;Version: 8.970.100.3000
Mainboard: Asus P5Qpro
I got around 22 - 40 fps. (most of the times under 30 fps...)
During those 200+ patches I had some performances improvements... Especially during alpha -> beta times. But those got relative since more stuff came into the game.
I run on lowest settings of course, multi core rendering on.
I dont know if my gfx is causing the problems or if it´s simply the CPU which is too slow ( temperature stays normal).
My ATI GFX drivers are pretty ###### up. The icon doesnt show in the windows bar most of the times? This is since 1 year, I guess. later drivers dont help. But I have no idea if that changes anything. During alpha times that problem wasn´t there. And I had still horrible fps ( like everyone else I guess...).
Are there some tricks, e.g. commands in game, so I can improve my FPS ? I m really starting to get upset. I guess that even when there is any improvement it wont be more than maybe 10 fps??? I just cant believe that just before version 1.0 the game is in that state... is everyone running around with core i5 / i7 on 4.0 GHZ or what??
My PC can run crysis without any major problems (!) and also L4d 2 on nearly highest settings....!!!
I really appreciate any help !! Thanks
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I just remember that r_stats didnt work for some patches ( for me). It works now atleast... mhh GPU seems fine. But gonna keep an eye on that.
What further worries me though is that, even though I have 100 FPS ( WOW) in readyroom on explore mode, the game doesnt feel quite smooth. When I have around 40 - 50 fps it feels like bareley having 30 fps... I have this issue since some patches :/.
EDIT: I just walked around in explore mode with an exo. My FPS dropped to 28 in xroads :(
GFX wait value seems to jump to 6 fps from time to time. But I cannot say for sure because it is quite fast...
So GFX seems to be my bottle neck. ...
and try to get 64 bits
Or is my CPU capbable of running 64 bit? How can I find that out? :)
my whole system is 4 years old xD.
Everbody told me that ns2 is everything about CPU and not Graphics. But thanks for the suggestion :). I just wonder how it can still run crysis and l4d just fine :)
I wanted to get rid if my GFX for years anyways (it´s freaking loud) :D Which GFX would you suggest me? And will it improve fps significantly ?
oh and btw. I was running oh highest resolution and got 2 monitors... ^^ But everytime I tried a lower resolution I couldnt see much of a difference. Gonne turn off my 2nd monitor now and try it on a lower resolution.
Is there a way to record r_stats? (so I can see if my GPU Wait jumps above 1?
Thanks for the help so far!
Everbody told me that ns2 is everything about CPU and not Graphics. But thanks for the suggestion :). I just wonder how it can still run crysis and l4d just fine :)
I wanted to get rid if my GFX for years anyways (it´s freaking loud) :D Which GFX would you suggest me? And will it improve fps significantly ?
oh and btw. I was running oh highest resolution and got 2 monitors... ^^ But everytime I tried a lower resolution I couldnt see much of a difference. Gonne turn off my 2nd monitor now and try it on a lower resolution.
Is there a way to record r_stats? (so I can see if my GPU Wait jumps above 1?
Thanks for the help so far!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
There is away to record it. Let me find it
EDIT: Found it.
Type profile in console to start the profiler and then type it again to end it. This will reduce your fps a bit though
What resolution are you currently trying to run? This is definitely important.
And what graphics card? 4800 series doesn't pin it down, the cards there went all the way from the fairly lowly 4830 to 4870X2. I'm guessing you're probably running a 4830 or 4850 with the 512MB VRAM. I can definitely say that that card won't really cut it anymore for modern games unless you're willing to sacrifice graphics fidelity pretty heavily, or have a beastly computer to pick up the slack, which you don't appear to have. Crysis is fairly old now, and L4D is running on the ancient source engine, so I'd expect your current setup to handle them just fine.
Have you considered overclocking? I used to have an E8400 and it hit 3.8Ghz on stock voltage. You could probably also squeeze a 10% overclock out of your GPU core and memory speeds. All together, that would probably yield you a 15-20% boost in framerate.
If you're looking for a new video card, I would say it depends on your resolution. If you're running 1920x1080 or 1920x1200, you'll probably want something like a Radeon 7850/7870 or Geforce GTX 660. Can find them as low as $170 and they'd offer a massive improvement over your 48xx.
I got an ATI Radeon HD 4870
resolution in game was the highest possible ( 1920 x 1080 , native resolution of my screen also)
Overclocking:
Yes I thought about that, but in thia I am a total newb. I´ve newer done it before. And the guys in the PC shop warned me, that not only the CPU has to be capable of overclocking
but also my whole system. (Because "everything" gets overclocked by overclocking the cpu?)
If it´s possible with my system, which I dont know, I would do it. I am also not sure about cooling and stuff.
Upgrading Hardware:
For an i5 I need a new mainboard ? :X . Can those new GFX fit on my P5Q Pro? I dont want to spend money on a completely new system yet ( new mainboard + cpu etc. :/ )
I just wondered Ns2 taking so much ressources since it´s graphcis dont look better than hl2 or crysis for me. :)
so plan so far: getting windows 7 / 8 ( 64 bits?) new GFX + overblock my Core2duo. Could this work out?
I got an ATI Radeon HD 4870
resolution in game was the highest possible ( 1920 x 1080 , native resolution of my screen also)
Overclocking:
Yes I thought about that, but in thia I am a total newb. I´ve newer done it before. And the guys in the PC shop warned me, that not only the CPU has to be capable of overclocking
but also my whole system. (Because "everything" gets overclocked by overclocking the cpu?)
If it´s possible with my system, which I dont know, I would do it. I am also not sure about cooling and stuff.
Upgrading Hardware:
For an i5 I need a new mainboard ? :X . Can those new GFX fit on my P5Q Pro? I dont want to spend money on a completely new system yet ( new mainboard + cpu etc. :/ )
I just wondered Ns2 taking so much ressources since it´s graphcis dont look better than hl2 or crysis for me. :)
so plan so far: getting windows 7 / 8 ( 64 bits?) new GFX + overblock my Core2duo. Could this work out?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you're upgrading to a Sandy or Ivy bridge make sure the processor model ends with a K. Ie: 2500K, 3570K. You will also need to make sure the MB chipset is OCcompatible. For instance, if you buy an ivy bridge you will need either a Z75 or Z77 chipset Motherboard.
I got an ATI Radeon HD 4870
resolution in game was the highest possible ( 1920 x 1080 , native resolution of my screen also)
Overclocking:
Yes I thought about that, but in thia I am a total newb. I´ve newer done it before. And the guys in the PC shop warned me, that not only the CPU has to be capable of overclocking
but also my whole system. (Because "everything" gets overclocked by overclocking the cpu?)
If it´s possible with my system, which I dont know, I would do it. I am also not sure about cooling and stuff.
Upgrading Hardware:
For an i5 I need a new mainboard ? :X . Can those new GFX fit on my P5Q Pro? I dont want to spend money on a completely new system yet ( new mainboard + cpu etc. :/ )
I just wondered Ns2 taking so much ressources since it´s graphcis dont look better than hl2 or crysis for me. :)
so plan so far: getting windows 7 / 8 ( 64 bits?) new GFX + overblock my Core2duo. Could this work out?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Try turning down your resolution. Make sure texture streaming is on. Make sure all settings are at low or off. (textures could be medium I think)
Also graphics wise and cpu wise this game does a lot of different things than HL2 and even crysis. Crysis, like NS2, runs a lot of its game logic in lua actually and the same thing happens in that game hen a lot of ai functions are being handled. It slowssss way down. Also NS2 graphically does a lot more than any source engine game.
This game is a 2012 game with more 2012 requirements. It does scale to your computer thankfully (max has a worse computer than you), and you should be able to get this running. if anything read up on overclocking your cpu to 3.0 or 3.2 Ghz
not all screen resoultions are the 16:9 aspect ratio you will use. You can use 1600 X 900, and 1280 X 720
Or is my CPU capbable of running 64 bit? How can I find that out? :)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Your CPU is capable of running 64-bit OS. Core 2 Duo generation and above cores are 64-bit compatible. You can go to Intel's ARK to find out your processor's information.
<a href="http://ark.intel.com/products/33910/Intel-Core2-Duo-Processor-E8400-6M-Cache-3_00-GHz-1333-MHz-FSB" target="_blank">http://ark.intel.com/products/33910/Intel-...Hz-1333-MHz-FSB</a>
See "Instruction Set" - yours is 64-bit.
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But yeah, using a 11-year-old OS doesn't really help. At least uninstall and reinstall the graphics driver. E8400 isn't a bad CPU though, should be comparable to quad-core Phenom 2's. That said, I started to get quite playable framerates after clocking my 965BE to 3.8 GHz.
Edit: Hmm, I guess the E8400 isn't quite as good as I remember. An i3-2100 beats it in every test:
<a href="http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/56?vs=289" target="_blank">http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/56?vs=289</a>
11 year old OS??
"Initial release: October 25, 2001; 11 years ago". Even the last service pack is 4.5 years old.
reducing resolution - Check (hepled a tiny bit I think)
new GFX - Do I really need it since the value for "wait GFX is at 0?" Will it change anything?
overclock cpu
Windows 7, 64 bit.
last question: does an attached monitor kill fps?
thanks for all ur help guys :)
EDIT: One last thing:
I notice that my CPU usage never goes up to 100% when playing ns2. Is that normal? I mean shouldnt it be at 100%?? It´s around 80 most of the times. 20 % unused??
E8400
HD4870
4GB RAM
with the exception that I run windows 7 64 bit
I run everything at its lowest, everything except resolution which is 1024x768 (just cant bring my self to go lower), my FPS is around 30 and GPU wait is always 0, but I really struggle to play the game and keep up with enemy, which really sucks because I really really like this game, and I want to be able to enjoy it!
The only solution I see is to upgrade to a powerful quadcore CPU first, give that a go and then perhaps think of getting a new graphics card.
Hope this helps
Without really know your budget, we can't really give you suggestions for video cards or even a cpu to buy. My suggestions from a previous post still hold. Get Windows 7 or 8 64bit version, so all your system RAM and video RAM will be at least be accessible. 32bit operation systems have a 4GB limit for total ram. As long as the CPU can support a 64bit OS (your current one does) you can just install it over your current one.
1) Get 64 bit Windows 7/8
2) Buy a new video card
3) Buy a new CPU
4) You may have to purchase a new powersupply if you do the above.
If you feel comfortable with the used market, a lot of hardware forums have buy/sell threads that can net you some pretty good hardware for decent prices. I know, there, there.... it's a bit scary though.
You also mentioned that you don't have too much experience with putting together a PC? Time to learn. It's easy. It's fun! It's like Legos. If you have trouble, find a friend who does know. I can't imagine you wouldn't have anyone in life that wouldn't want to help. Good luck.
Btw... L4D and Crysis are old games and I don't know what your definition of "fine" is. I get cranky when my min fps is less than 60fps. I doubt you're playing Crysis at 1920x1080 at 60fps with everything at the highest settings.
Good luck, we're here to help.
Well tbh. I assembled my PC on my own with the help of my father. So no noob there :) . But I never went beyoned that, experimenting with overclocking and stuff. I just didnt find time to "read me in" , like can I run 64 bit systems and stuff. I didnt bother also, since XP kept running fine ( and still does). Thanks to your info at this point, though :) . really considering an upgrade now.
My major problem is that I am not really in the mood of buying a completely new machine yet. My PC works just fine for all the other everyday work. I could afford buying a 1000 € "monster machine" but my old PC would be totally wasted then :X. Therefore I want to squeeze as much as possible out of my current system. A new GFX would be in though, since my current one is keep having problems with the drivers and is freaking loud. I guess when overclocking my core 2 dou wouldnt help I would maybe go for sth. new. cpu wise, too. But I dont want to spend more than 300 euros if that is possible.
Well, sry for the comparison with crysis all the time. But I mean, Ns2 was never meant to be a game that runs on the latest graphics level, wasn´t it? So I was just a bit dissapointed to see it run even worse than crisis. Which did just fine on low settings on my PC. No idea if I had 60 fps. I guess not. But it was playable and no pain in the eyes ( try to blink as fade with 20 fps...).
I somehow was always unlucky with fps and ns1 :( . First had a single core AMD Athlon in ns1 times. Playing with 60 - 100 FPS. Then going to my current machine. But still there are maps in Halfe life 1 / ns1. Which kill my stable 111 fps!!! :). Maybe u get my definition of fine now ;) (everything above 30 fps is hahah)
Maybe I can sell my current one to my father somehow, then I could consider sth. new :D. But I really would prefer using my current hardware with "slight changes".
E8400
HD4870
4GB RAM
with the exception that I run windows 7 64 bit
I run everything at its lowest, everything except resolution which is 1024x768 (just cant bring my self to go lower), my FPS is around 30 and GPU wait is always 0, but I really struggle to play the game and keep up with enemy, which really sucks because I really really like this game, and I want to be able to enjoy it!
The only solution I see is to upgrade to a powerful quadcore CPU first, give that a go and then perhaps think of getting a new graphics card.
Hope this helps<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I have also pretty much the same setup, just with an quadcore CPU...
i5 2500K
HD4870 512MB
8GB RAM
Windows 7 64 bit
The problem is, that my FPS is also around 20-40 fps and that's only when i set the settings to low/off...
with everything on High, i have around 10-30 fps.
But i think the HD4870 should handle NS2 well enough, UWE just should support it more.
Because my System runs every other game with 60+fps (Battlefield 3, Diablo 3, Starcraft 2, CS:GO)
i already spend 300€(387$) for a new CPU/Motherboard/RAM, just to play NS2 with playable FPS...
i5 2500K
HD4870 512MB
8GB RAM
Windows 7 64 bit
The problem is, that my FPS is also around 20-40 fps and that's only when i set the settings to low/off...
with everything on High, i have around 10-30 fps.
But i think the HD4870 should handle NS2 well enough, UWE just should support it more.
Because my System runs every other game with 60+fps (Battlefield 3, Diablo 3, Starcraft 2, CS:GO)
i already spend 300€(387$) for a new CPU/Motherboard/RAM, just to play NS2 with playable FPS...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Arg! Seriously! that's no good, I was hoping there would be a major difference between two and four cores :S
i5 2500K
HD4870 512MB
8GB RAM
Windows 7 64 bit
The problem is, that my FPS is also around 20-40 fps and that's only when i set the settings to low/off...
with everything on High, i have around 10-30 fps.
But i think the HD4870 should handle NS2 well enough, UWE just should support it more.
Because my System runs every other game with 60+fps (Battlefield 3, Diablo 3, Starcraft 2, CS:GO)
i already spend 300€(387$) for a new CPU/Motherboard/RAM, just to play NS2 with playable FPS...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Did you try overclocking your CPU? That should help quite a bit and the 2500k can be overclocked like a monster.
He's running at 4x 3,4GHz while playing NS2, i thinks that should be enough.
btw, my CPU Fan is very sh*tty, so i won't be able to overclock it that much.