Gorges are useless...
Mr.Greedy
Join Date: 2012-07-21 Member: 154270Members
Join Date: 2012-07-21 Member: 154270Members
<div class="IPBDescription">(or scoreboard is sensless)</div>... thats what UWE currently say. If I am khammanding i love gorges. Sometimes i see players gorging from the beginning until the end of a game and they do awesome support. They are often the key to win a game. And i see them sometimes ending the game with a score of 0-20 . Gorgeplay is underappreciated.
Give gorges some points for healing and supporting. Doing some dmg with Hydras (without killing) could also give some points. Same thing to weld something or someone as a Marine. Rewards this actions plz.
There are a lot of other examples like: 3 guys atacking a building at same time = only 1 get points. 3 Guys building something = only 1 get points. Whats the sense of it?
Another solution: delete the whole scoreboard. Currently there is absolutly no sense.
Give gorges some points for healing and supporting. Doing some dmg with Hydras (without killing) could also give some points. Same thing to weld something or someone as a Marine. Rewards this actions plz.
There are a lot of other examples like: 3 guys atacking a building at same time = only 1 get points. 3 Guys building something = only 1 get points. Whats the sense of it?
Another solution: delete the whole scoreboard. Currently there is absolutly no sense.
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Georgie does need some love, but it would be tricky to do without some sort of abusive way to rack up points.
Give gorges some points for healing and supporting. Doing some dmg with Hydras (without killing) could also give some points. Same thing to weld something or someone as a Marine. Rewards this actions plz.
There are a lot of other examples like: 3 guys atacking a building at same time = only 1 get points. 3 Guys building something = only 1 get points. Whats the sense of it?
Another solution: delete the whole scoreboard. Currently there is absolutly no sense.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
As a permanent gorge in every match i play (unless i lack the resources to evolve gorge after a death) i appreciate this thread. I absolutely love playing as gorge in this game. I have never been good at FPS games. I'm also terribad at blinking as a fade hit and run, lerk poison bite/gas and skulking as well...as skulk! the only few times i have ever gone onos is when i spawned in an onos egg dropped by the alien comm. I love healing onos in marine base pushes also! the only role i seem to ever do any good in is a gorge belly sliding around and placing defensive hydras in newborn hive hallways and speeding up the building process of whips, cysts, and harvesters. Some of us are just not good at anything but tactical support! show us some love and give us points on the scoreboard!
Georgie does need some love, but it would be tricky to do without some sort of abusive way to rack up points.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yup. I just want them to design the scoreboard fair. A Skulk gets also 1 point for parasiting something. Those improvements are easy to fix. The changes just need time to balancing(i would start with 1 point for healing 50 hp of a player and maybe 400 hp of buildings? ).Its Beta . Best time to test it ^^.
I dont see any way to abuse it if there is no FF on. Just give points for healing players and buildings(no selfheal,no hydras). End.
I want scores for things like support, damage etc. Almost every team game now has a system like this, and to be fair, people are selfish ######s. I am totally fine with someone welding me even if they are only doing it to get 5 points or so.
I think a non-abusable way of scoring gorges would be to give points for building walls and hydras, and deduct the same amount of points for removing walls and hydras. That way, people get points for making hydras and walls, but they cant abuse the system by building and deleting all the time
Sometimes though I can end up as top player as a perma-gorge, just by bilebombing alot.
So without touching the current score system, I would recommend adding two new scores just for informations:
- assists (you fire at every lifeform/bite every rine and you don't get kills? This would show that you were usefull and a good support) get 1 assist point for every enemy you
damage and that eventually dies.
- damage/healing! It would show the total amount of damage or healing that a player caused in a match. (It worked quite well in the Battlegrounds mod for HL). It would
be awesome to see how much damage you caused.
I bought Battlefield 3 two weeks ago. Their Scoreboardsystem would also work for NS2.
And yea, have healing give some score.
And yea, have healing give some score.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You haven't actually played gorge until you have pulled off spider gorging with +hook.
Still agree though, more point lovin' never hurt anyone.
I made a thread when 218 came out (http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/index.php?showtopic=120771&st=0&p=1972784&#entry1972784), thinking that I just didn't know how to play Gorge because it just seemed that babysitting structures/hives until bilebomb is available was what worked well.
And we all know that babysitting *anything* in a video game is only fun for maybe 5% of people. :)
Anyways, probably after 1.0 comes out, the Gorge will get some new goodies that make him more fun.
That same ratio halved again for buildings, excluding hydras, and maybe cysts.
so healing 100hp = 1/2 kill points
healing a building for 100hp = 1/4 the points youd get for a kill.
On paper, doesn't seem like inflated points, may be a bit on the low side and dependent on marine aggro but w/e. an idea is an idea.
I see a gorge as a marine im just like lol and rush him and shoot dies in one clip. As a gorge your just like oh crap should i fight and pull a miracle or run and maybe i'll live.
Gorge absolutely needs some love in terms of score points.
Right now as a gorge you're 100% unappreciated for maintaining cyst lines, healing players/structures, making hives grow faster. I've seen gorges help aliens maintain constant attacks on locations they simply couldnt do without it, yet it goes unrewarded. That simply shouldn't be.
I agree with giving a score point for every certain amount of health points healed, 175 or something around that.
And dont forget the umbralerk :>.
Doing purely damage isn't really required, but getting points for assisting kills/destructions, healing, and other minor stuff will help improve things.
Same goes for marines: Welding marines or structures gives no points (to my knowledge) and yet SHOULD be encouraged.
As meaningless as points are...they do encourage people to do things. This is why games with objectives always give much more for doing said objective, over killing. Why kill 20 people if capping the flag gives the same amount? To discourage camping and playing deathmatch in CTF. :D This is, more or less, the same reason why powernodes/resnodes give 15 points, and kills only 5. To incentivize the idea that they are more important to kill.
Start please a topic "Who cares about the scoreboard?" and then u will see :p .
as a player, I go gorge now and then, mainly when it is needed for healing/building a hive, or when a onos needs backup.
But most time it doesn't seems to be very thankfull to play a gorge. And that doesn't begin with the score-board, but with players behaviour.
Fade-players get their "ahs" and "ohs" after a killstreak, a succeeded skulk rush in the base is always reason for joy.
And as a gorge?
Noone thanks if you build up a hive faster.
If you don't heal people (maybe because you are out of adrenaline) they instantly scream at you, but a "thank you" is rather common.
When a gorge needs help, nearly noone moves his ass until he is dead.
Most of the time gorges are seen as moving crags...
Maybe some additional scores might help to show the usefulness of gorge and give them some player-love...
Would be funny, if gorge were leading score-boards in points, without having a single kill. :D
Until then, thank you all gorge-players for your selfless support!
<!--quoteo(post=1987824:date=Oct 6 2012, 03:01 PM:name=3del!)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (3del! @ Oct 6 2012, 03:01 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1987824"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->try bilebombing some bases for honor and glory :D<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, that can work if no marine is in base and you can actually get some hits before they interupt you.
When attacking a base with marines in there, you are simply dead. ):
When attacking a base with your mates against marines, you bile everything, marines kill you (because other players give nothing for rescuing a gorge).
In the best case the buildings are now so damaged, that they can be easily ripped off by skulks or onos, and they get all the points.
So even bilebombing can make you sad...
Well, that can work if no marine is in base and you can actually get some hits before they interupt you.
When attacking a base with marines in there, you are simply dead. ):
When attacking a base with your mates against marines, you bile everything, marines kill you (because other players give nothing for rescuing a gorge).
In the best case the buildings are now so damaged, that they can be easily ripped off by skulks or onos, and they get all the points.
So even bilebombing can make you sad...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Only because of how marine spawn works (constantly dropping in), combine that with the massive range on obs and PGs and you wont find a time when there isnt someone in marine base, maybe in a comp game when the whole enemy team is pushing but thats about it
<!--quoteo(post=1987843:date=Oct 6 2012, 04:05 PM:name=RobustPenguin)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RobustPenguin @ Oct 6 2012, 04:05 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1987843"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Only because of how marine spawn works (constantly dropping in), combine that with the massive range on obs and PGs and you wont find a time when there isnt someone in marine base, maybe in a comp game when the whole enemy team is pushing but thats about it<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So, you make my depressing argument even more depressing. Well done, sir. :D
But seriously, I have seen in public games mobs of gorges running into marine bases and bilebombing everything. Only to get killed. And to force the marines to buy welders.
This makes me shed some manly tears for the bravery of these little fellows.
as a player, I go gorge now and then, mainly when it is needed for healing/building a hive, or when a onos needs backup.
But most time it doesn't seems to be very thankfull to play a gorge. And that doesn't begin with the score-board, but with players behaviour.
Fade-players get their "ahs" and "ohs" after a killstreak, a succeeded skulk rush in the base is always reason for joy.
And as a gorge?
Noone thanks if you build up a hive faster.
If you don't heal people (maybe because you are out of adrenaline) they instantly scream at you, but a "thank you" is rather common.
When a gorge needs help, nearly noone moves his ass until he is dead.
Most of the time gorges are seen as moving crags...
Maybe some additional scores might help to show the usefulness of gorge and give them some player-love...
Would be funny, if gorge were leading score-boards in points, without having a single kill. :D
Until then, thank you all gorge-players for your selfless support!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Gorge is support. Don't expect kills they are just happy accidents. Also score means nothing in NS so you'll have to learn to let that go. Your claims about how the aliens abuse the gorge and never show appreciation isn't a fact. It's just something that happens every now and then when you get an impatient player. We don't gorge for points or glory. We gorge for the greater good. If you want high k/d and teammates constantly patting you on the back just get good at killing with one of the other lifeforms and let the gorge players do their thing. Gorges do get points for assisting in building.
I gorge a lot since I'm not the best at killing as an alien. I've received plenty of thanks and appreciation for healing during big pushes and bilebombing like a maniac. You want some real points just wait until you bilebomb down their base. Insanely useful and you get plenty of points.
i agree though, that the point system in general could be more refined for doing damage, healing and the commanders.
in quakelive there is a damage column next to the k/d ratio. I'd love something like this in NS2. Maybe split into structural and player damage.
Gorge is support. Don't expect kills they are just happy accidents. Also score means nothing in NS so you'll have to learn to let that go. Your claims about how the aliens abuse the gorge and never show appreciation isn't a fact. It's just something that happens every now and then when you get an impatient player. We don't gorge for points or glory. We gorge for the greater good. If you want high k/d and teammates constantly patting you on the back just get good at killing with one of the other lifeforms and let the gorge players do their thing. Gorges do get points for assisting in building.
I gorge a lot since I'm not the best at killing as an alien. I've received plenty of thanks and appreciation for healing during big pushes and bilebombing like a maniac. You want some real points just wait until you bilebomb down their base. Insanely useful and you get plenty of points.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This topic is about the scoreboard. K/D is just a part of the Scoreboard (and not the main point). The scoreboard have to display how effective your gameplay is and how helpfull your actions are for the team. If u dont care about this, ok. But alot people do. And I want UWE to design the scoreboard fair and meaningful or to delete this feature.
The current scoreboard looks so...90's :D
Gorge is support. Don't expect kills they are just happy accidents. Also score means nothing in NS so you'll have to learn to let that go. Your claims about how the aliens abuse the gorge and never show appreciation isn't a fact. It's just something that happens every now and then when you get an impatient player. We don't gorge for points or glory. We gorge for the greater good. If you want high k/d and teammates constantly patting you on the back just get good at killing with one of the other lifeforms and let the gorge players do their thing. Gorges do get points for assisting in building.
I gorge a lot since I'm not the best at killing as an alien. I've received plenty of thanks and appreciation for healing during big pushes and bilebombing like a maniac. You want some real points just wait until you bilebomb down their base. Insanely useful and you get plenty of points.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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