Why are all alienbuildings on the ground only?

Mr.Greedy · September 2012

Exept hydras/clogs, all Alienbuildings can only build on the ground. But why? Aliens should build crags,whips etc. everywhere on walls, ceiling if there is infestation. Most Alienbuildings are to easy to snipe. That would help a bit.

bEEb · September 2012

Im not sure if that would be possible from the commander view. If it was, the commander would be limited by the angle he views from.

Now if it were a gorge building structures that would be a different story...

Kouji_San · September 2012

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bEEb @ Sep 21 2012, 04:31 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1981412"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'>Now if it were a gorge building structures that would be a different story...</div>
Yes, indeed it would be >_>

George needs moar stuffs!!! *runs off into the distance*

TychoCelchuuu · September 2012

Because nanites.

Wait hold on that doesn't work...

OH. Because bacterium.

Techercizer · September 2012

Because that way Marines can Axe them. Putting structures on the ceiling makes them require more ammo to take down, and it reduces the effectiveness of bombarding the room with grenades. Basically, putting structures overhead is superior in almost every way to putting them on the ground.

Mestaritonttu · September 2012

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TychoCelchuuu @ Sep 21 2012, 08:02 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1981437"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'>Because nanites.

Wait hold on that doesn't work...</div>

Nanites are lighter than air thus they have a higher density near ceilings, therefore structures heavier than infestation have trouble attach-...just nevermind.

A button for the comm that would show ceilings instead of floors? Might work? Would be buggy as hell, of course.

Frozty · September 2012

Let the gorge be able to move Whips :D

IronHorse · September 2012

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Techercizer @ Sep 21 2012, 10:27 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1981450"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'>Because that way Marines can Axe them. Putting structures on the ceiling makes them require more ammo to take down, and it reduces the effectiveness of bombarding the room with grenades. Basically, putting structures overhead is superior in almost every way to putting them on the ground.</div>
Thats a really good point..

Xarius · September 2012

This is why I loved being able to cyst as a gorge, it allowed you to put cysts outside of marine knife range. AFAIK with the commander view it should still be possible to put structures on walls, just not on ceilings. Though I somehow doubt it's something we will see anytime soon.

They should really come up with a tech choice to passively cloak all cysts, or boost their durability versus just knifing. It'd help in keeping alien map control up. (Which is something aliens have to pay for where as marines get it for free) Then again, this is all pretty moot if they ever get to implementing dynamic infestation.

P.S Buff the gorge

maD maX · September 2012

Totally disagrea that placing structures on the roof is better....

Whip on the roof... Anti jp ... Not anti everything else

Craig on roof... Good to heal skulk, but fade gorge and onos are out of luck

By placing structures on the roof you choose their safty over their effectiveness... It's a fair trade that should be your choice.

Techercizer · September 2012

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (maD maX @ Sep 21 2012, 12:55 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1981472"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'>Totally disagrea that placing structures on the roof is better....

Whip on the roof... Anti jp ... Not anti everything else

Craig on roof... Good to heal skulk, but fade gorge and onos are out of luck

By placing structures on the roof you choose their safty over their effectiveness... It's a fair trade that should be your choice.</div>
So don't put your Crags and Whips on the roof. Whips go near doorways anyway, and Crags have a larger healing range than you probably think.

peregrinus · September 2012

One of the many reasons why gorges should be allowed to place structures.

I'm crossing my fingers this is one of the things the devs have in the back of their minds and will eventually implement...

BUT gorge placing structures probably makes game play slower which they do not want at all :/

Someone could make a mod to let gorges place structures I guess.

RobustPenguin · September 2012

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kouji_San @ Sep 21 2012, 05:33 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1981416"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'>Yes, indeed it would be >_>

George needs moar stuffs!!! *runs off into the distance*</div>

I guess they arent going to get rid of the terrible khamm now so why dont we try adjust it. Khamm can select a gorge and buy buildings for him, eg a whip. That gorge can now place 1 whip, obviously make their cost lower since the gorge already costs pres

PsiWarp · September 2012

Put too many structures on the ceiling and block your own view :(

Alas, the days of non-capped Hydras and PRes abundance.

IeptBarakat · September 2012

Whips... everywhere.

Beelzebub · September 2012

i still dont see why whips are the only moveable structures.. All alien structures should be moveable... I would kill to see a shift walking around like a spider, or a crag like a hermit crab

MadTree · September 2012

I think Gorges should be allowed to place cysts, but that's about it. The fact that building on the ceiling is superior in every way to building on the ground would basically make grenade launchers useless, as least for taking down alien bases.

Mr R0YB0T 0 · September 2012

I think Gorge and the Kham should be able to place whips. Or maybe the Kham could give Gorges Whips to place.

1dominator1 · September 2012

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RobustPenguin @ Sep 21 2012, 07:53 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1981615"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'>I guess they arent going to get rid of the terrible khamm now so why dont we try adjust it. Khamm can select a gorge and buy buildings for him, eg a whip. That gorge can now place 1 whip, obviously make their cost lower since the gorge already costs pres</div>

Say, that is an idea...

Know pain · September 2012

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Techercizer @ Sep 21 2012, 10:27 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1981450"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'>Because that way Marines can Axe them. Putting structures on the ceiling makes them require more ammo to take down, and it reduces the effectiveness of bombarding the room with grenades. Basically, putting structures overhead is superior in almost every way to putting them on the ground.</div>

Yes because one ammo drop doesn't give you all your rounds back, oh wait yes it does. And cleary genades are the only way to kills alien structures, it's not like you can shoot them or anything.... arcs, turrets, exo's, pistols, flamthrowers.

Atone · September 2012

I still think gorges should be able to gobble up structures and spit them onto walls and ceilings. Gives the gorge something more to do and expands the gorge-commander dynamic.

Thrombo · September 2012

Hives are already built on ceilings. /thread

NoxZA · September 2012

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Know pain @ Sep 22 2012, 07:16 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1981668"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'>Yes because one ammo drop doesn't give you all your rounds back, oh wait yes it does. And cleary genades are the only way to kills alien structures, it's not like you can shoot them or anything.... arcs, turrets, exo's, pistols, flamthrowers.</div>
You completely missed the point he was making. He indeed said that you can shoot them down, he just said why roof structures would be better in every way compared to floor structures, i.e, that you can't knife them and grenades are less effective.

Know pain · September 2012

Less effective with gls and axe's but by no means would they be better is every way i.e. gorges would not be able to heal or build them faster.

NoxZA · September 2012

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Know pain @ Sep 22 2012, 12:02 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1981707"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'>Less effective with gls and axe's but by no means would they be better is every way i.e. gorges would not be able to heal or build them faster.</div>
Gorges can build/heal things on the ceiling. Try building a hydra up there and see.

RobustPenguin · September 2012

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NoxZA @ Sep 22 2012, 10:32 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1981695"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'>You completely missed the point he was making. He indeed said that you can shoot them down, he just said why roof structures would be better in every way compared to floor structures, i.e, that you can't knife them and grenades are less effective.</div>

Well actually it depends on the location. Does a crag at the top of generator do anything? Or a whip? The only places where putting structures on the ceiling is useful is for upgrades since every other building has such a tiny range it cant hit anything. And being able to plonk upgrades on the roof might go somewhere towards marines being able to sprint into your hive inbetween spawns and axe down celerity. Since aliens dont get a observatory like structure its often hard to see these things coming. Especially since anyone smart doesnt sit in the khamm chair.

FunkyFungus · September 2012

- Shade+ sent of fear upgrade(10res)

- Shift+ hive teleporting upgrade(15res)

- Crag + umbra upgrade(10res)

- no infestation required

- gorges can carry them around like the engineer in tf2 does

- can be placed on walls,floors and maybe not to high ceilings

would ad some fun in the gorge and kham interaction :)

Why are all alienbuildings on the ground only?

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