Jay Wilson showing his true colors

Bloodshot12Bloodshot12 Join Date: 2012-05-25 Member: 152578Members
edited August 2012 in Off-Topic
<i>'He gave me the biggest franchise in the industry to do a money grab with next to WoW, ###### that loser.'</i>

<a href="http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/interview-diablo-creator-david-brevik-discusses-his-feelings-on-diablo-3" target="_blank">http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/...ngs-on-diablo-3</a>

<a href="http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/diablo-3-developers-react-angrily-to-dave-brevik-interview" target="_blank">http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/...revik-interview</a>

<img src="http://i.imgur.com/r1y1k.png" border="0" class="linked-image" />

He removed his comment, so here's some video proof
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYZYr1odbys&feature=player_embedded#" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYZYr1odbys...layer_embedded#</a>


It was clear that Blizzard didn't give two ###### about fans of the original Diablo franchise, but this is just the icing on the cake.

Comments

  • KhyronKhyron Join Date: 2012-02-02 Member: 143308Members
    Thoughts:
    <ul><li>Brevik was honest if a little indulgent in his interview.</li><li>It's pretty poor that Haga has this "sudden" reaction when the problems with D3 have been known and discussed extensively. It's almost as if this interview is the first piece of negative feedback he's seen.</li><li>The idea that D3 sales were based on a well designed product is laughable. D3 sales were based on expectation & marketing hype. Pre-orders for a game delivered by digital download, right? Hurry while stocks last!</li><li>Brevik deserves more credit for the D3 sales figures than the industry would give him, so I think the indulgence is a pretty human reaction.</li><li>Willson's comment should get him fired.</li><li>The rest of them ragging on hellgate should take a minute to remember what it's like to work for a studio that doesn't have <i>infinite dollars</i>, not to mention the artistic/creative process which comes up with new IP is wayyyyy more difficult than just pooping out a sequel.</li><li>I logged in to D3 today and my friends list was all *tumbleweeds*. A number of them haven't logged in for 73 days.</li><li>The blizzard forums are a terrible, terrible place. What the forum goers lack in sentience they make up with in rage and malevolance. Is it any wonder the developers don't engage with their fanbase?</li></ul>
  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    The part I find funniest about this is that these are exactly the problems that EVERYONE were bringing up throughout the beta, and the Devs released a number of videos saying 'it's just because it's the beta, we've fixed all of this in the full game!'. Difficulty, over-simplified character

    David Brevek (the original creator of the series) just came out and agreed that the new guys ****ed it up as they didn't know what they were doing, or why the previous games were good from a technical and design standpoint. Sounds like it just stung a little more, having him go 'yeah, they screwed the pooch and made it into a blatant cash-grab without making it a GOOD game first' than the legions of customers saying the same thing.
  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    Something tells me that some game developers, especially the ones working for high-profile studios like Blizzard, are very, very jaded about certain remarks. Every time someone goes on an invective-laden cuss spree telling you how unfathomably bad your game is and how much of a favour you'd do the world if you went on a killing spree through your offices before sticking a grenade in your mouth, you just roll your eyes and care a little bit less about "public opinion." Because no matter how good your game is, you will get those tirades anyway. It's impossible to sort "invective-laden cuss spree with some truth in it" from "invective-laden cuss spree with no valid points whatsoever" when both are telling you exactly how much autofellatio you should perform before your murder-suicide rampage.

    I don't think the D3 development team spends a lot of time on the forums. Partially because they have people to filter through the detritus for them, partially because they probably do not have a strong urge to have their family members accused of lewd behaviour on an hourly basis, and partially because they have actual development work to do. What all this leads to is a certain disconnect from the community, where it becomes easy to shrug off the angry voices as pathetic losers who wouldn't know majesty if it bit them in the face. After all, the game sold well! And people are flocking to the auction house! And *I* am proud of the game we made, and does it really matter what the naysayers cry about?

    And that's why, when a credible voice comes along and echoes all those remarks you've ignored, it hurts. And that, in turn, leads to emotional outburts like we've seen here.


    This has been "Bull###### Philosophy With lolfighter." Tune in next week, when I explain why you shouldn't give Notch a hard time for going on vacation twice a month!
  • PaniggPanigg Join Date: 2006-11-02 Member: 58212Members
    Pretty much, yeah.
  • locallyunscenelocallyunscene Feeder of Trolls Join Date: 2002-12-25 Member: 11528Members, Constellation
    I agree with pretty much everything said here. Now I just need Path Of Exile's Grinding Gear Games to Merge with Torchlight's Runic to make the perfect ARPG.
  • Bloodshot12Bloodshot12 Join Date: 2012-05-25 Member: 152578Members
    I love PoE so far, just waiting for the 3rd act to be added to play again.

    I find it sad that they say "You made the fastest selling PC game of all time" - that doesn't mean anything. Shouldn't he say "you made a great game" instead?

    It sold so fast because of Diablo's prior reputation, and it's one thing to make Hellgate london like it was for them, as an underdog studio, and another thing to have infinite money to make a sequel to an established IP. Continuing something is much easier then making something new. Which makes it that much worse that they ###### up Diablo 3 so bad.
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1965949:date=Aug 22 2012, 04:32 PM:name=Bloodshot12)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bloodshot12 @ Aug 22 2012, 04:32 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1965949"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I find it sad that they say "You made the fastest selling PC game of all time" - that doesn't mean anything. Shouldn't he say "you made a great game" instead?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    After all the team has been through surely you wouldn't want to make them into liars too :p
  • palliepallie Join Date: 2009-10-12 Member: 69028Members
    he has also apologized:
    <a href="http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/jay-apologizes" target="_blank">http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/jay-apologizes</a>
  • elodeaelodea Editlodea Join Date: 2009-06-20 Member: 67877Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited August 2012
    <img src="http://i.imgur.com/A9a4h.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />

    lol
  • rantologyrantology Join Date: 2012-02-05 Member: 143750Members, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold
    This whole ordeal (and the letdown that was the game itself I suppose) is making Blizzard look really <i>really</i> bad..


    I really started to dislike blizzard after they merged/sold to Activision. You saw completely shameless micro-transaction cash cow schemes in every single one of their games after that. I wonder if it was Activision who hired Jay =P
  • WheeeeWheeee Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13713Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1965600:date=Aug 21 2012, 04:29 PM:name=Talesin)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talesin @ Aug 21 2012, 04:29 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1965600"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The part I find funniest about this is that these are exactly the problems that EVERYONE were bringing up throughout the beta, and the Devs released a number of videos saying 'it's just because it's the beta, we've fixed all of this in the full game!'. Difficulty, over-simplified character<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    hopefully this isn't the attitude of UWE vis a vis NS2 beta-> release
  • remiremi remedy [blu.knight] Join Date: 2003-11-18 Member: 23112Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester
    edited August 2012
    So weird. I'm friends with one of those guys.

    Also, David Brevik is apparently a ######.

    I'd like to highlight this portion of Jay's apology.
    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->All these people and many others made the commitment to Diablo even after Blizzard North shut down. It was hard for me to see their contributions be diminished by someone they worked alongside, and even harder for me not to try to jump to their defense.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    This is why Brevik is a ######. He should be apologizing to the D3 team as well.
  • BacillusBacillus Join Date: 2006-11-02 Member: 58241Members
    I don't know if it's a cultural difference thingy or something, but the 'pregnant wife' paragraph makes the whole apology feel almost surreally overblown and dishonest.

    ... And yeah, this is really making Blizzard look bad.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Join Date: 2005-05-15 Member: 51659
    edited August 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=1966036:date=Aug 23 2012, 02:51 AM:name=pallie)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pallie @ Aug 23 2012, 02:51 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1966036"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->he has also apologized:
    <a href="http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/jay-apologizes" target="_blank">http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/jay-apologizes</a><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    You apologize to the person you insulted.

    Wilson apologizes to the Blizzard community that his idiotic sentence went into the public, nothing else.

    Here's a quote from him after the insult but prior to his "apology":

    ”That… is indeed my own message. We originally thought that was a private, non-public discussion thread, not something we wish to announce to the public. This was an unfortunate accident.”

    Basically everything he says now is PR.

    @Psyke: WHAT did Brevik do wrong? He said he would have done it different and Blizzard are now changing the game because many criticized it. So they DID it wrong in the first place, there's nothing else to say about that.

    Wilson worked most of his time on RTS games while in Blizzard. No one is blaming him for making mistakes due to the missing experience with ARPG (keep in mind Blizzard North basically invented the genre and set it's standards). Changing what they did wrong but insulting Brevik for the criticism...which they now adapt to in changing the game is like:

    "We change it for you players, because you're idiots who don't realize that our version of Diablo 3 is perfect."
  • TemphageTemphage Join Date: 2009-10-28 Member: 69158Members
    I thought what Brevik did wrong was kill a bunch of people on some island, not slander a crappy game made by an overrated company that's propelled solely by brainless fanboy zombies.
  • WheeeeWheeee Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13713Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1966354:date=Aug 24 2012, 04:56 AM:name=Temphage)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Temphage @ Aug 24 2012, 04:56 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1966354"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I thought what Brevik did wrong was kill a bunch of people on some island, not slander a crappy game made by an overrated company that's propelled solely by brainless fanboy zombies.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    wrong brevik?
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Join Date: 2005-05-15 Member: 51659
    There's a BrEvik and there's a BrEIvik.
  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    Yeah what the hell should Brevik apologize for? Criticizing Diablo 3? Boo-######-hoo, deal with it.
  • SentrySteveSentrySteve .txt Join Date: 2002-03-09 Member: 290Members, Constellation
    All I know is that D3 really sucks.
  • TemphageTemphage Join Date: 2009-10-28 Member: 69158Members
    edited August 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=1966386:date=Aug 24 2012, 12:01 PM:name=lolfighter)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lolfighter @ Aug 24 2012, 12:01 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1966386"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Yeah what the hell should Brevik apologize for? Criticizing Diablo 3? Boo-######-hoo, deal with it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    It took me reading all that crap twice and googling before I actually understood what the OP was about. Like we're all supposed to know who the ###### these clowns are, or that you just start going off about Diablo 3 assuming everyone cares about it.

    Drama on the internet about... the internet.

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  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    Supposedly they're making improvements to Diablo 3 now. I wouldn't know, because Guild Wars 2 has temporarily robbed me of any desire to play other games.
  • MonkfishMonkfish Sonic-boom-inducing buttcheeks of terrifying speed&#33; Join Date: 2003-06-03 Member: 16972Members
    They added an extra 100 levels when you get to 60 and called them something different.

    Still not worth playing.
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