Gorge won't die youtube video

schuschu Join Date: 2012-08-04 Member: 154768Members, Reinforced - Shadow
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<div class="IPBDescription">He just won't go down</div>I raged

Full video will be uploaded soon.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BEVm5kCVig" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BEVm5kCVig</a>
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  • KalrellKalrell Join Date: 2005-01-07 Member: 33464Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited August 2012
    Yes, aliens near their hive, heal.

    Therefore you shouldn't be surprised shooting a gorge that's healing by himself and the hive, doesn't die.
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  • prevertbreasthoundprevertbreasthound Join Date: 2003-10-28 Member: 22089Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    Sooo, is this like a joke/troll thread? You were clearly missing and/or hitting the hive with a lot of your shots beyond that first clip.
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  • eh?eh? Join Date: 2012-03-03 Member: 147997Members
    Majority of your shots hit the hive because the unbuilt hive is using the built hive's collision model.
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  • schuschu Join Date: 2012-08-04 Member: 154768Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    that hive was just dropped, which means

    it doesn't heal.
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  • MiniH0wieMiniH0wie Join Date: 2007-11-25 Member: 63013Members
    Did aliens have carapace at that stage? Cause it looked like you didn't even have any weapons upgrades.
    Plus your shots were hitting the hive part of the time.
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  • schuschu Join Date: 2012-08-04 Member: 154768Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1964421:date=Aug 17 2012, 09:14 AM:name=MiniH0wie)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MiniH0wie @ Aug 17 2012, 09:14 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1964421"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Did aliens have carapace at that stage? Cause it looked like you didn't even have any weapons upgrades.
    Plus your shots were hitting the hive part of the time.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    I have no idea if they had carapace. This was 3:30 into the match, so unless they rushed it i have no idea. The hive was just dropped when i ran in there, you can see it pop up and you hear the sound from the drop,

    Then you see hive blood squirting out of nowhere on the backside of the hive.
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  • elmo9000elmo9000 Join Date: 2012-03-24 Member: 149324Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1964418:date=Aug 17 2012, 07:10 PM:name=eh?)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (eh? @ Aug 17 2012, 07:10 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1964418"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Majority of your shots hit the hive because the unbuilt hive is using the built hive's collision model.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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  • schuschu Join Date: 2012-08-04 Member: 154768Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1964416:date=Aug 17 2012, 09:09 AM:name=prevertbreasthound)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (prevertbreasthound @ Aug 17 2012, 09:09 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1964416"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Sooo, is this like a joke/troll thread? You were clearly missing and/or hitting the hive with a lot of your shots beyond that first clip.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    Why are you even on these forums breasthound? You quit NS years ago.

    And no i didn't miss the majority of my shots, look again try again. The unbuilt hive collision model has an invisible barrier underneath it apparently and you can't shoot anything.
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  • elodeaelodea Editlodea Join Date: 2009-06-20 Member: 67877Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1964426:date=Aug 18 2012, 02:21 AM:name=schu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (schu @ Aug 18 2012, 02:21 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1964426"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->And no i didn't miss the majority of my shots, look again try again. The unbuilt hive collision model has an invisible barrier underneath it apparently and you can't shoot anything.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Welcome to NS2. Did you notice most your bullets hitting invisible troll barriers on the railings too?
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  • schuschu Join Date: 2012-08-04 Member: 154768Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1964428:date=Aug 17 2012, 09:26 AM:name=elodea)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (elodea @ Aug 17 2012, 09:26 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1964428"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Welcome to NS2. Did you notice most your bullets hitting invisible troll barriers on the railings too?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    So basically I got trolled by a part of the map and invisible hive force fields...awesome
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  • JektJekt Join Date: 2012-02-05 Member: 143714Members, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow
    Several props have similar issues.
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  • MestaritonttuMestaritonttu Join Date: 2004-07-29 Member: 30229Members, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold
    edited August 2012
    Fun video, gorge most likely had carapace, or hitboxes near hive were super wonky. Even with carapace that amount of shots should bring a gorge very close to death. Gorge wasn't even trying to dodge much. :)

    EDIT: Oh wait, they were building a hive lol. So they didn't have carapace, you can't afford it so soon with 2nd hive. Okay, a bit strange he didn't die. Usually it's 1 LMG clip and a few well aimed pistol shots. Even if you take time to reload LMG, gorge self healing isnt fast enough to save him from getting killed.
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  • xDragonxDragon Join Date: 2012-04-04 Member: 149948Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow
    Hmm schu raging, sounds like bad clan all over again...

    Needs some Saint Anthony and phone spamming pokemon music
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  • ImbalanxdImbalanxd Join Date: 2011-06-15 Member: 104581Members
    That raging was pretty lol.

    If aliens had carapace, that gorge was probably on like 10-15% hp and your shots after the first clip were mostly hitting the hive.
    If aliens didn't have carapace the first clip should have killed it and it was just bad hitboxes.
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  • Laosh'RaLaosh'Ra Join Date: 2011-12-09 Member: 137232Members
    edited August 2012
    ok so you need 29 bullets (1.554 seconds of constant fire, if you ignore cooldown for the first bullet) to kill a gorge, 45 if he has carapace (2.442s). but this is assuming all bullets hit and he is not regenerating / healing inbetween. still, rather odd indeed.

    edit: did the server have any balance mods?
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  • FloodinatorFloodinator [HBZ] Member Join Date: 2005-02-22 Member: 42087Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1964418:date=Aug 17 2012, 06:10 PM:name=eh?)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (eh? @ Aug 17 2012, 06:10 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1964418"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Majority of your shots hit the hive because the unbuilt hive is using the built hive's collision model.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    QFT

    Kneeling down helps
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  • SyknikSyknik InversionNS2.com Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2064Members, Constellation, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Shadow
    lol, I love you Schu. haha That was great indeed.

    Yeah the collisions are messed up, best thing to do is just charge up to the gorge and not shoot by under the hive, that way you'll usually always get the kill.
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  • Tom_Hanks13Tom_Hanks13 Join Date: 2012-08-13 Member: 155569Members
    You were shooting the hitbox of a grown hive even though it looked like you were shooting the gorge. The hitbox is just a place holder until a new one is created for an ungrown hive. Frustrating, but now you know to look out for it. Its the unfortunate reality of playing a beta.
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  • DuskDusk Join Date: 2011-06-24 Member: 106114Members, Constellation
    I feel for you. That damn hive hitbox!
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  • prevertbreasthoundprevertbreasthound Join Date: 2003-10-28 Member: 22089Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1964426:date=Aug 17 2012, 12:21 PM:name=schu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (schu @ Aug 17 2012, 12:21 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1964426"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Why are you even on these forums breasthound? You quit NS years ago.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    And it bothers you that I'm here now why? Besides, who said I quit NS lol?
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  • ellnicellnic Join Date: 2010-07-19 Member: 72559Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    He was healing him self and also its a game with a lot of improvemnt that still need to be done so you shpuld chill and relax a bit and not get too stressed at trivial things like this.
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  • VeNeMVeNeM Join Date: 2002-07-13 Member: 928Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1964416:date=Aug 17 2012, 10:09 AM:name=prevertbreasthound)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (prevertbreasthound @ Aug 17 2012, 10:09 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1964416"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Sooo, is this like a joke/troll thread? You were clearly missing and/or hitting the hive with a lot of your shots beyond that first clip.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    co-signed /thread
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  • cake.cake. Join Date: 2012-01-12 Member: 140165Members
    For people with poor performance that's a regular occurrence, so sorry for not being too impressed... Also "herp derp unbuilt hive hitbox"
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  • LPCLPC Join Date: 2002-04-07 Member: 384Members, Reinforced - Diamond
    OMG im so quitting NS2 right now
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  • DghelneshiDghelneshi Aims to surpass Fana in post edits. Join Date: 2011-11-01 Member: 130634Members, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited August 2012
    I guess someone needs some anger management classes.
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  • PersianImm0rtalPersianImm0rtal Join Date: 2010-12-02 Member: 75414Members, Constellation, NS2 Map Tester
    edited August 2012
    You missed a lot lol


    edit: also there was no weapons upgrades...so yeah
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  • RuntehRunteh Join Date: 2010-06-26 Member: 72163Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    Has Gorge health been boosted, because I actually had the same issues the other day when a Gorge was running away from me.... possible bug?
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  • LPCLPC Join Date: 2002-04-07 Member: 384Members, Reinforced - Diamond
    this was obviously not an issue with the gorge, granted that you realize (have background knowlegde) of how the hive hitbox works currently.

    -> the hive hitbox does not dynamically follow it's 'growing' animation, instead it has a fully grown hitbox the moment it's dropped.

    -> mostly all of his shots when near the hive, hit the hive, not the gorge <-

    -> this is something that needs to be looked at eventually offcourse, allthough I find it understandable that this is not a #1 priority for UWE atm.

    so.... his rage is understandable, but it has nothing to do with the gorge health...

    can we put this aside now? live happily everafter?
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  • AurOn2AurOn2 COOKIES&#33; FREEDOM, AND BISCUITS&#33; Australia Join Date: 2012-01-13 Member: 140224Members, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Forum staff
    All the moron trolls saying 'hurr durr skill', to hell with ye.
    What i got from this: Alien unbuilt hive needs a new hitbox.
    not "this guy can't aim".

    This is generaly why atrium is so ferking hard to take without gls or arcs. half the props in there have their hitboxes elsewhere :/
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  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    The devs are actually doing a pass on the collision hulls of certain troublesome props. And I just checked, the hive's hitbox has been added to the bug reports as well :)
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