Marine On Marine?
Trevelyan_006
Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 3876Banned
Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 3876Banned
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the list goes on.
oh, not to mention balance.
or game mechanics.
or just about everything.
Hold your horses. I waited over a year for Marines versus Aliens. You can wait a few months more for Marine versus Marine.
- Marines on other team need to be reskinned (at least recolored).
- 3 hive locations + 1 MS = balanced in current maps. Maps would have to be redone to be balanced with 2 marine teams
- Try killing a marine with a LMG, it isn't CS where it takes 4 shots, it takes clips of ammo <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
- The main reason: they are too busy fiing bugs/eploits/whines about the current Marine versus Alien
- Finally, they can't code 24x7 to your every whim. Let them code at their pace, they do have an outside life, ya'know? And yelling at people who give you free stuff... let's say it, oh, <b>DOESN'T HELP</b>?
<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>(you should understand that was a joke) </span>
The sides would be automatically balanced as they are identical. Maps of course need to be completely symmetrical, which cuts the production time in half; they can be mirrored along an axis.
NS is a strategy game, after all. There needs to be a strategic value to loacations that isn't necessarily equal to any other area.
NS is a strategy game, after all. There needs to be a strategic value to loacations that isn't necessarily equal to any other area.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I do not understand this argument.
Chess and Go are both games which are played on a perfectly symmetrical board. They are both considered highly strategical and not boring.
Obviously the only area on a symmetrical board that is not equal to other areas is the centre, but I do not see how that is relevant, as conflict (and thus interesting situations) is also created by areas of matching value.
Of course you'd need four hives if you want fade vs. fade battles <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
Both Marine vs. Marine and Alien vs. Alien seems like exciting mods, but I'm not that eager for them. I'm having too much fun with the game as it is <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
would take 6 hives though...
90% of the people on earth had been damaged internally in the brain at birth to make them inconsiderate, and ignorant, when all of them should had been nice and caring people.
Well, it might make people LEARN. It's worked for lots of other mods, why not NS?
90% of the people on earth had been damaged internally in the brain at birth to make them inconsiderate, and ignorant, when all of them should had been nice and caring people.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Acrobad, your entitled to your own opinion but I don't quite see how it relates to the topic.....and it's quite insulting to be honest.
/on-topic
As far as I am aware, marine vs marine and alien vs alien are wanted features by the dev team and is destined for version 2 (hopefully).
Symetrical maps ARE boring. Chess and Go are symetrical because of the way the pieces move. An unsymetircal 'map' would be difficult to balance, and comparing a tactical movement based board game with an RTS/FPS is kinda un-realistic anyways.
Aliens vs Aliens would be best with 5 hives I think (2 hives each and a scrap for that all important 3rd hive), and opens up the possibiltys for mappers, as they can build multiple levels over each other, which you can't do in Marine vs Alien due to the commander.
Marine vs Marine would be a strategists wet dream as 2 commanders face off against each other.
Theres already been posts about this before. Go use the search function <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> If you look for 'vs' you'll probably find something.
Well, it might make people LEARN. It's worked for lots of other mods, why not NS?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't think FF is a good idea considering how marines are supposed to run in teams and that there are a lot of close combat in NS. Marines would be shooting each other by accident all the time and arguing about it too much.
Consider four or five marines running together and one skulk jumps right in the middle of them and start chewing them up. They would be shooting the sh*t out of each other in panic. Furhtermore, they would be spamming the poor commander for med packs during the whole game making the commander's job even more stressful
I know I would stay clear of marine team mates with shotties <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
This FF discussion is a bit off-topic though.
Particularly during the skulk rush at the beginning of a game you would run a good chance of getting cut down by FF. I doubt the average player can keep his cool when he has two or three skulks running around in the room snapping at everything that moves. I think FF would be a major advantage for the aliens.
Also it reduces the lamer factor. I would just hate it if you are playing one of those good even games and a couple of idiots comes on and starts shooting/chewing up their team mates. I makes me mad just writing about it <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
FF is good for other mods, however, I doubt FF a good idea for NS
*Shamelessly keeps going off-topic*
Yay, someone else thinks that would be cool! I swear to god, I see more sparks thrown up by hitting the back of other Marines than I do green blood thrown up by hitting Aliens on pubs. Then I try to explain the concept of spreading out to cover a hallway. My would-be pupils just drool like zombies and tell me to "stfu nub". That's when I usually pound my head against the desk and reconnect to the server to go aliens. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
But anyway, I ramble.
Has anyone else thought of the Marine vs. Marine problem of siege turrets? It'd just turn into a war from behind walls. One team lays down sieges, the other lays down sieges in a different spot to take out those sieges that are sieging their buildings. It could go on like that for a long time. Besides the fact that you could completely rip apart a marine base with sieges(that is only if they don't get their sieges up first). All maps should just be renamed ns_siege in anticipation of Marine versus Marine combat.
get ready for it if you havent tried it out, CAL rules set mp_friendlyfire to 1.(so i am told, been too lazy to go check it myself.)
Overall, theres a fair bit of balancing that would be needed. For example, GLs would absolutely hammer marines at their current damage level. Marines move too slow to get away quickly, a clip would decimate a squad easily. Perhaps sieges will be removed all together ? Sniper rifles ? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Theres probably a load of issues with M vs M and A vs A that will only crop up with playtesting.
2.0 is a LONG time off. the next client patch is 1.1
can you say... capture the hive? lol