Welder
OutlawDr
Join Date: 2009-06-21 Member: 67887Members
Join Date: 2009-06-21 Member: 67887Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Make it more viable</div>Currently when I have a welder and I see a marine that could use repairs on his armor, I ignore him.
Its too risky to switch to a welder, since you never know when you need to switch back in case of attack.
I liked it when you simply had to go up to a marine and press the use button. I would repair marines much often, since it was a quicker, less risky transaction.
<b>I propose that if a marine has a welder, he simply needs to press the use button to repair marines and structures that need it. </b>
It won't interfere with building structures since they are two different things that don't overlap.
I think the welder also needs to have its range increased a bit, since it seems im always just barely out of range while following a marine that needs repairs.
Marines can still equip the welder like now in case they are mass repairing multiple buildings (don't want to press the use button the whole time) or damaging alien structures.
It would be nice if you need repairs, and there is marine with a welder equipped in his hands, that an icon would appear over his head indicating he can repair you.
Small modest ideas.
Its too risky to switch to a welder, since you never know when you need to switch back in case of attack.
I liked it when you simply had to go up to a marine and press the use button. I would repair marines much often, since it was a quicker, less risky transaction.
<b>I propose that if a marine has a welder, he simply needs to press the use button to repair marines and structures that need it. </b>
It won't interfere with building structures since they are two different things that don't overlap.
I think the welder also needs to have its range increased a bit, since it seems im always just barely out of range while following a marine that needs repairs.
Marines can still equip the welder like now in case they are mass repairing multiple buildings (don't want to press the use button the whole time) or damaging alien structures.
It would be nice if you need repairs, and there is marine with a welder equipped in his hands, that an icon would appear over his head indicating he can repair you.
Small modest ideas.
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It won't interfere with building structures since they are two different things that don't overlap.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It will however interfere with trying to use damaged Armouries and Prototype Labs, possibly even the Exo down the road. I agree with you on the marine icons, but they would have to be pretty unintrusive in case group situations such as marines in front of you suddenly taking damaged all at once.
Thats a good point. You will just have to whip out the welder manually for those situations then. Not a big deal.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I agree with you on the marine icons, but they would have to be pretty unintrusive in case group situations such as marines in front of you suddenly taking damaged all at once.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think you read that wrong...the icon appears on players that have a welder equipped in their hands when you are missing armor. Its to let damaged players know when there is a marine with a welder that is willing to repair.
Did you go to Hollywood Upstairs Game Design school too?
Did you go to Hollywood Upstairs Game Design school too?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Awesome verbal diarrhea champ.
Now actually post something.
But a welder button could be really nice. I could keep my axe and buy a welder.
Now actually post something.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Okay.
The welder being a separate weapon is a deliberate design choice by the people who made the game. It forces an obvious tradeoff in how the welder is used. It's much easier to make it balanced than if the welder was available "as well as" the other guns, as per your idea.
You have not explained in a reasonable way how it is an incorrect design decision, or a problem for the game. Your idea is predicated on the fact that you feel something is 'risky', while I would say it carries an appropriate level of risk (from <i>my </i>subjective view).
Like most idea threads, it's based on your own frustration with playing an incomplete game. It will amount to nothing more than a tally chart (yea or nay), and a lot of irrational words will be written on the subject.
Here, let me give an example:
<!--quoteo(post=1934044:date=May 6 2012, 09:05 PM:name=OutlawDr)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (OutlawDr @ May 6 2012, 09:05 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1934044"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I think the welder also needs to have its range increased a bit, since it seems im always just barely out of range while following a marine that needs repairs.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You think that the welder should have more range, since something "seems" a certain way to you. What is that something?
It's "you're barely out of range while following a teammate". The teammate moves at the same speed you do (unless he's sprinting and you're not). You both share a communication medium, and if you want him to be welded the two of you can agree to meet up. Nothing about the game should change to help you with your "catching up to a person and clicking on them" problem.
I know, I'm listing the issues that would arise with this function for interactive buildings.
<!--quoteo(post=1934200:date=May 8 2012, 06:43 AM:name=OutlawDr)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (OutlawDr @ May 8 2012, 06:43 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1934200"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Thats a good point. You will just have to whip out the welder manually for those situations then. Not a big deal.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That just unnecessarily convolutes the system, and you'd still be left with the proposed issue.
<!--quoteo(post=1934200:date=May 8 2012, 06:43 AM:name=OutlawDr)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (OutlawDr @ May 8 2012, 06:43 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1934200"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I think you read that wrong...the icon appears on players that have a welder equipped in their hands when you are missing armor. Its to let damaged players know when there is a marine with a welder that is willing to repair.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ah in that case, it's even better of a suggestion. Something perhaps in their name tag that appears above them, as there is a lot of unused space in there as it stands.
<!--quoteo(post=1934247:date=May 8 2012, 09:57 AM:name=bobrun)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bobrun @ May 8 2012, 09:57 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1934247"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->In another topic, somebody complained that nobody used welders. I just said that I hate buying a welder, because I like the axe, and I lose my axe when I buy a welder.
But a welder button could be really nice. I could keep my axe and buy a welder.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Tap 3 and then G, continue hacking away with your axe to your heart's content and pick the welder back up when you're done with it ;).
<!--quoteo(post=1934272:date=May 7 2012, 07:51 PM:name=internetexplorer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (internetexplorer @ May 7 2012, 07:51 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1934272"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Okay.
The welder being a separate weapon is a deliberate design choice by the people who made the game. It forces an obvious tradeoff in how the welder is used. It's much easier to make it balanced than if the welder was available "as well as" the other guns, as per your idea.
You have not explained in a reasonable way how it is an incorrect design decision, or a problem for the game. Your idea is predicated on the fact that you feel something is 'risky', while I would say it carries an appropriate level of risk (from <i>my </i>subjective view).<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Right...and in my subjective view, the risk associated in equipping the welder leads to what we see now of hardly anyone using the welder to repair marine armor. However when compared to past versions of the game that allowed welder with the use button, we saw a higher number of players repairing each others armor. Sorry... I don't have graphs and spreadsheets verifying this. You'll just have to take my word on it.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Like most idea threads, it's based on your own frustration with playing an incomplete game. It will amount to nothing more than a tally chart (yea or nay), and a lot of irrational words will be written on the subject.
Here, let me give an example:
You think that the welder should have more range, since something "seems" a certain way to you. What is that something?
It's "you're barely out of range while following a teammate". The teammate moves at the same speed you do (unless he's sprinting and you're not). You both share a communication medium, and if you want him to be welded the two of you can agree to meet up. Nothing about the game should change to help you with your "catching up to a person and clicking on them" problem.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Your example was a minor point in the op, but its an opinion I've seen and heard others express. If this minor point in the op amounts to no more than a tally, then so be it. Not sure if it was worth the emo rage bomb over it.
Yes it "seems" like its always out of range when following a marine. Do I have proof? No. I'll be sure to get those graphs and spreadsheets next time. But If I were to guess why it seems like this, I'd say its latency. As you see a marine move hes actually a step or half step ahead as you follow...making him perpetually out of range. Whos knows though, I'm just presenting my opinion on the range to the devs, they can decide what do with it....but feel free to get angry about it....and Congratulations, you've earned it.
Ah in that case, it's even better of a suggestion. Something perhaps in their name tag that appears above them, as there is a lot of unused space in there as it stands.
Tap 3 and then G, continue hacking away with your axe to your heart's content and pick the welder back up when you're done with it ;).<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If it is determined to be too convoluted and hard to figure out for people then I don't have a problem not having the options for repairing buildings. Repairing marine armor was the focus anyway. A name tag could work just as well, however an icon would mirror the repair icon we see now when buildings and marines need repairs. It might be easier to for players to understand it as an icon, since they can associate it with the repair icon. I would hope eventually we can better customize what we take. Unless not being able to take an axe and a welder is a deliberate design choice by the people who made the game.