Untie protolab from AA

SkugganSkuggan Join Date: 2010-03-19 Member: 71017Members
in Ideas and Suggestions
I would like to suggest that protolab would be untied from advanced armory.
EXOs and tier 2 jetpacks should be tied to AA though.

Pros:
Scouting becomes more important for aliens so they can counter an early jetpack rush.
More exciting to spectate a game with more option.
Can be used for map control.

Bring on more pros and cons
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  • XariusXarius Join Date: 2003-12-21 Member: 24630Members, Reinforced - Supporter
    Not sure if this is a good idea to be honest, jetpacks should remain a midgame tier, not an early game option. (Since at 10 p.res they become pretty much standard on all marines and they can be particularly troublesome for aliens to deal with, a single marine with a jp is often enough to ninja a hive or at least do some serious damage)
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  • SkugganSkuggan Join Date: 2010-03-19 Member: 71017Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1923770:date=Apr 10 2012, 02:25 PM:name=Xarius)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Xarius @ Apr 10 2012, 02:25 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1923770"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Not sure if this is a good idea to be honest, jetpacks should remain a midgame tier, not an early game option. (Since at 10 p.res they become pretty much standard on all marines and they can be particularly troublesome for aliens to deal with, a single marine with a jp is often enough to ninja a hive or at least do some serious damage)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    The resource cost to buy a jetpack is of course not set in stone since it begun at 20. And also there will be a big tradeoff since slow jetpacks still will be expensive, just make for diffrent combinations of tactics. If the aliens scout the proto lab they will be able to prepare with more lerks and hydras in the roof.

    Slow Jet Packs are not enough to fight the onos and alot of lerks so you will have to move in to tier2 and tier 3 if the game is even.
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  • KhyronKhyron Join Date: 2012-02-02 Member: 143308Members
    I'll think this would be a good move.

    Currently JP is still pretty much the last thing I'll do with "spare" tRes. Interestingly, I feel that JP marines are most vulnerable to skulks & lerks so getting JP too early should be self correcting in a way. It also might create some additional strain on marine pRes, which might in fact be good for balance.

    If you're staring at a basic armoury thinking about jetpacks you're looking at 75 res. Once you've spent that first 20 on the AA you've then got the temptation of GLs for just 15 more. GLs are a hugely powerful strategic option for just 15, so every time I'm at that point I'm going to unlock GLs and once that's done I'm going to capitalise on that investment and to do so does not require JP. Second or third level upgrades are a better choice and we end up back at JP being the last thing you do.

    A tricky thing with JP is they seem to increase the effectiveness of really skilled players but weaken those who are less skilled by using up their pRes. Based on that and the 100 res overflow, I'd much rather my marines just spend pRes on GLs & shotguns. As a commander I even sometimes think unlocking JPs will weaken the team. Obviously the map and situation has a big impact. JP is plenty useful on Mineshaft if you're doing stuff in Central Drilling, Ore Extraction or Cave - areas with high ceilings or upper gangways.
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  • ScardyBobScardyBob ScardyBob Join Date: 2009-11-25 Member: 69528Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    I've long supported this change, because I think it would be the first step to providing a viable marine mid-game counter to fades.
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  • internetexplorerinternetexplorer Join Date: 2011-10-13 Member: 127255Members
    It'll need to be done at some point anyway if people think exosuits are supposed to be the answer to onos
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  • Omega_K2Omega_K2 Join Date: 2011-12-25 Member: 139013Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    Like the idea
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  • MakoMako Join Date: 2011-07-04 Member: 107766Members
    I would be a little worried on more open maps like mineshaft that JP versus skulk will just be gg early on.
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  • Omega_K2Omega_K2 Join Date: 2011-12-25 Member: 139013Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1924369:date=Apr 12 2012, 02:13 AM:name=Mako)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mako @ Apr 12 2012, 02:13 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1924369"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I would be a little worried on more open maps like mineshaft that JP versus skulk will just be gg early on.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Mineshaft is heavily alien sided as it is. Also, you can get lerk easily, I don't think it would be a problem, especially since you are sacraficing upgrades/weapons for early jp.

    Playing a few rounds would be nice though
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