Gorge bile bomb
kryptocide
Join Date: 2012-03-15 Member: 148819Members
Join Date: 2012-03-15 Member: 148819Members
are you guys fereal... or is this an early april fools joke.
first of all gorge is now uselss entirely. why the hell would you take away what makes the gorge. hydras are usless 1. rines can out range them 2. they take for ever to set up early game its not like you can spam hydras in an area neway when the rines have no updates you need cysts on top of that, theyll only be alot of hydras after the sec hive neway. now you guys take away the gorges kit and change lerk for the worst. you have to be spaming flying and trying to aim that bile bomb. are you fereal. noones gonna hit that the way it arcs and the low amount of dmg it does its totaly uselss for the lerk. now the gorge wont even be chosen at all. they die suprisingly fast i realized, but now you have nothing to work with. gorges whole kit is fvked.
lerk arent synergized at all with bile bomb. you guys totaly dumbed the game down with the skulk cuz baddies cant aim for thier lives...literally lol... messing up that skulk movement in the air, jumping, bhopping, everything just made me not wont to play till the next patch, now this BS with the gorge, a'm done with NS2. it had the potential to be something really really good skillful based game and competative, now its just another game just like all the battle fields call of dutys and everything other crash game out there 90% of the games.
srsly you gusy gotta revert everything, or youll see your population of this really high potential game slowly lower till noones gonna play nemore. a'm absolutly done playing this game and so are my 6 other buddys who play it. i had many other ppl close to buying it too, after these changes you guys agree with and themovement these noobs are asking for with the skulks, no way we're gonna play this ne more.
hope you guys change everything bak, cept the lerks gas how it lowers to the ground, thats a good change. see just that alone woulda been amazing to have for the lerk i woulda start piking them more for just that alone. and fix the skulks movement to what it was a few patches ago, bringing bak bhopping wall jumping air acceleration.
god a'm so mad at these noob changes, cuz i know you guys at the NS2 team are reading ppls posts who are asking this game to be made less skillful and easier to handle and telling youselves oh lets make these changes they want, but you dont realize those ppl posing are the worst of players all in one lil thread all agreeing with eachother.
advince: dont chnages nething only improve.
god FKGBUPOKIJUYRFXDUGIHJOKLHHHHHHHHFkmbhgof mk,ld;dfl,rbeatuoiuy oeokp[rd;felv suybh
FFS.....
first of all gorge is now uselss entirely. why the hell would you take away what makes the gorge. hydras are usless 1. rines can out range them 2. they take for ever to set up early game its not like you can spam hydras in an area neway when the rines have no updates you need cysts on top of that, theyll only be alot of hydras after the sec hive neway. now you guys take away the gorges kit and change lerk for the worst. you have to be spaming flying and trying to aim that bile bomb. are you fereal. noones gonna hit that the way it arcs and the low amount of dmg it does its totaly uselss for the lerk. now the gorge wont even be chosen at all. they die suprisingly fast i realized, but now you have nothing to work with. gorges whole kit is fvked.
lerk arent synergized at all with bile bomb. you guys totaly dumbed the game down with the skulk cuz baddies cant aim for thier lives...literally lol... messing up that skulk movement in the air, jumping, bhopping, everything just made me not wont to play till the next patch, now this BS with the gorge, a'm done with NS2. it had the potential to be something really really good skillful based game and competative, now its just another game just like all the battle fields call of dutys and everything other crash game out there 90% of the games.
srsly you gusy gotta revert everything, or youll see your population of this really high potential game slowly lower till noones gonna play nemore. a'm absolutly done playing this game and so are my 6 other buddys who play it. i had many other ppl close to buying it too, after these changes you guys agree with and themovement these noobs are asking for with the skulks, no way we're gonna play this ne more.
hope you guys change everything bak, cept the lerks gas how it lowers to the ground, thats a good change. see just that alone woulda been amazing to have for the lerk i woulda start piking them more for just that alone. and fix the skulks movement to what it was a few patches ago, bringing bak bhopping wall jumping air acceleration.
god a'm so mad at these noob changes, cuz i know you guys at the NS2 team are reading ppls posts who are asking this game to be made less skillful and easier to handle and telling youselves oh lets make these changes they want, but you dont realize those ppl posing are the worst of players all in one lil thread all agreeing with eachother.
advince: dont chnages nething only improve.
god FKGBUPOKIJUYRFXDUGIHJOKLHHHHHHHHFkmbhgof mk,ld;dfl,rbeatuoiuy oeokp[rd;felv suybh
FFS.....
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I feel like anything that is skill based and fun, gets nerfed to the ground in every single god damn we play now a days.
Battlefield 3, they add random bullet spray, so your bullets barely even go where you aim them, they add in red dot radar so you appear on the map when you shoot. Call of Duty, I don't even need to go there, because we all know what's wrong with that game. I can't think of one fps or even mmo that is even based around skill anymore, except the old school ones. Counter-Strike:GO is complete fail. Valve trying to squeeze as much money as they can off the name from a game that wasn't even created by them.
The industry is always about making money, satisfying the majority of baddies that can't keep up and creating the illusion that everybody is good at the game they play. I am like you, if I don't see some skill put back in to the game I am packing it in as well, I am tired of looking for a game that I like and watching developers catter to the baddie community to put more money in their wallet. Fk it.
first of all gorge is now uselss entirely. why the hell would you take away what makes the gorge. hydras are usless 1. rines can out range them 2. they take for ever to set up early game its not like you can spam hydras in an area neway when the rines have no updates you need cysts on top of that, theyll only be alot of hydras after the sec hive neway. now you guys take away the gorges kit and change lerk for the worst. you have to be spaming flying and trying to aim that bile bomb. are you fereal. noones gonna hit that the way it arcs and the low amount of dmg it does its totaly uselss for the lerk. now the gorge wont even be chosen at all. they die suprisingly fast i realized, but now you have nothing to work with. gorges whole kit is fvked.
lerk arent synergized at all with bile bomb. you guys totaly dumbed the game down with the skulk cuz baddies cant aim for thier lives...literally lol... messing up that skulk movement in the air, jumping, bhopping, everything just made me not wont to play till the next patch, now this BS with the gorge, a'm done with NS2. it had the potential to be something really really good skillful based game and competative, now its just another dogsh!t game just like all the battle fields call of dutys and everything other crash game out there 90% of the games.
srsly you gusy gotta revert everything, or youll see your population of this really high potential game slowly lower till noones gonna play nemore. a'm absolutly done playing this game and so are my 6 other buddys who play it. i had many other ppl close to buying it too, after these changes you guys agree with and the ###### movement these noobs are asking for with the skulks, no way we're gonna play this ne more.
hope you guys change everything bak, cept the lerks gas how it lowers to the ground, thats a good change. see just that alone woulda been amazing to have for the lerk i woulda start piking them more for just that alone. and fix the skulks movement to what it was a few patches ago, bringing bak bhopping wall jumping air acceleration.
god a'm so mad at these noob changes, cuz i know you guys at the NS2 team are reading ppls posts who are asking this game to be made less skillful and easier to handle and telling youselves oh lets make these changes they want, but you dont realize those ppl posing are the worst of players all in one lil thread all agreeing with eachother.
advince: dont chnages nething only improve.
god FKGBUPOKIJUYRFXDUGIHJOKLHHHHHHHHFkmbhgof mk,ld;dfl,rbeatuoiuy oeokp[rd;felv suybh
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OMG a'm so Fking mad you guys hav ejust turned this game into a pile of steaming horse crap
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7VAhzPcZ-s" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7VAhzPcZ-s</a>
PLS AVOID THIS BY REVERTING THESE CHANGES AND NEVRER LISTENING TO PPL WHO ASK FOR NETHING EASY TO DO OR COMPLAIN ABOUT SOMETHING BEING OP!!!!.......
The lerk bile bomb is amazing. Very easy to aim. Of course, if you are sitting on the floor, it doesn't work. I've been carpet bombing Marine bases continuously, and while the aiming is fine, I find the damage to be too low as you mentioned.
I can only assume by taking away bile bomb, they will be giving the Gorge Umbra for 2nd hive, and maybe Babblers again for 3rd, so essentially the Gorge becomes a walking crag. I'd take Umbra and Babblers over BileBomb EVERYTIME. Of course, that is just my theory so may not be accurate.
This game isn't being made for you, it's being made for everyone. Oh, and the skulks movement has reverted back to an improved version of what it was in build 198, like you asked :)
Less skillfull, hahaha.
You are complaining about the skulk because you haven't figured out yet how to use the modified jumping system implemented in 200, which is an amended b198 jumping system.
Lerk bilebomb aim is too easy as it is. You want it made easier. Doesn't that make you one of the people you are complaining about?
As you well know, NS2 is still beta. The removal of bilebomb was a good choice in the long run. The gorge is not an attacking class, he has the roll of support. Giving bilebomb to an attack/harass class such as lerk is the best solution to this problem. I would also want to note two things.
1) The gorge will be receiving some new abilities to help support the skulks. Which logic implies that bilebomb has to go, to make way for these abilities.
2) These are not the final changes
Once again i would love to stress that this game is in beta, yes you may not like the changes. Though using lines like "gorges whole kit is fvked." and "no way we're gonna play this ne more.". Next time may i suggest you write a clean post, stating what you don't like and how things could be better.
Things will always improve, just think of the end result not the short term.
Cheers,
-Scott.C
Man, at the time I thought that was a really stupid idea.
This is a huge disappointment. Why change a game so drastically that worked?
I'd say it's really unfortunate they decided to take away gorge bile bomb BEFORE they implemented goo wall and his other 'upcoming' abilities. This obviously gives players a skewed perception of what to expect in the final product, and it does somewhat render the class less viable for the duration of this build (and potential further ones)
Yes it is watered down, it's never going to be NS1, ever, not even close. I mean, they are never going to remove buying weapons, which is implemented from CO into NS. NS2 is never going to be fixed in your eyes, only diluted further, so it was nice of you to register to say goodbye to the community :)
As you well know, NS2 is still beta. The removal of bilebomb was a good choice in the long run. The gorge is not an attacking class, he has the roll of support. Giving bilebomb to an attack/harass class such as lerk is the best solution to this problem. I would also want to note two things.
1) The gorge will be receiving some new abilities to help support the skulks. Which logic implies that bilebomb has to go, to make way for these abilities.
2) These are not the final changes
Once again i would love to stress that this game is in beta, yes you may not like the changes. Though using lines like "gorges whole kit is fvked." and "no way we're gonna play this ne more.". Next time may i suggest you write a clean post, stating what you don't like and how things could be better.
Things will always improve, just think of the end result not the short term.
Cheers,
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blah blah blah manners blah blah grammer blah blah spelling SMD idc. right now a'm looking at how the skulk feels, and it feels rotten. simplely saying beta doesnt mean nething, if they made the changes they mean to keep it and work from there, which means ppl are complaining that the skulks are too fast and they cant aim and juke or do nehting to try to that that skulk. i would like to see the gorge get another offensive ability, and not a suportive one, especially not umbra. umbra is for early game when the rines have rifles and shottys. you dont have a sec hive early game. rines pretty much all have GL and fthrowers that point of the game, umbra does nothing against that.
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The best part is that people spent pages upon pages explaining why it's a bad idea when it was in the devtracker, with absolutely no practical results
Am I a beta tester or a guinea pig?
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just enjoy the ride, and wait for a mod, i know i am.
i thought i was buying ns2. no fkn clue what game this is
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Look, gorge with bilebomb, or gorge with umbra and babblers. I know what I'd rather have. Of course there may be an even better gorge option coming in.
The lerk bilebomb is a fantastic idea, I now actually play lerk, for the first time since 191! Gorge is a bit boring at the moment sure, but let's see what the devs are going to give him shall we before we call out the death of the game.
Why are people so scared of change all the time?
Oh, and you have access to a beta, you are not a Beta Tester, unless you are on the PT team, of course.
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This is NS2, you want NS1 with nice graphics.
The question is why change a game so much that worked?
I can understand why people are losing faith.
The lerk is a combat class even if you staple bile bomb to it. It has 2 hitscan attacks and an area effect attack that damages enemies. The gorge is still not a combat class without bile bomb, and it has even less to do in relation to combat situations than it did before. The lerk is doing what used to be the gorge's job, so people like you won't notice that it can't do anything else effectively.
Prove me wrong!
Oh, and to say that I'm not a beta tester because I'm not on the playtesting team is stupid. That's the same frame of mind that leads to betas like this being full of people who just want to play and provide zero feedback. I (along with lots of other people) have gone to a lot of trouble thinking and writing about this game, because we want to see it end up as an example of 'a good video game', not 'pandering to the lowest common denominator and making changes for the sake of change.'
<!--quoteo(post=1913529:date=Mar 15 2012, 08:43 PM:name=Soul_Rider)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Soul_Rider @ Mar 15 2012, 08:43 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1913529"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The lerk bilebomb is a fantastic idea, I now actually play lerk, for the first time since 191!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Statements like this don't make you seem like a credible person to discuss the lerk with!
You're basically telling us that you haven't put in the time to understand the class and its issues as other people have, but because it has a new gimmick you are currently playing it (still with no knowledge of the larger picture).
I thought most people did...
Things will always improve, just think of the end result not the short term.
Cheers,
-Scott.C<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I dunno what game your playing but i see it going down hill with the new content. It's for the noobs
first of all gorge is now uselss entirely. why the hell would you take away what makes the gorge. hydras are usless 1. rines can out range them 2. they take for ever to set up early game its not like you can spam hydras in an area neway when the rines have no updates you need cysts on top of that, theyll only be alot of hydras after the sec hive neway. now you guys take away the gorges kit and change lerk for the worst. you have to be spaming flying and trying to aim that bile bomb. are you fereal. noones gonna hit that the way it arcs and the low amount of dmg it does its totaly uselss for the lerk. now the gorge wont even be chosen at all. they die suprisingly fast i realized, but now you have nothing to work with. gorges whole kit is fvked.
lerk arent synergized at all with bile bomb. you guys totaly dumbed the game down with the skulk cuz baddies cant aim for thier lives...literally lol... messing up that skulk movement in the air, jumping, bhopping, everything just made me not wont to play till the next patch, now this BS with the gorge, a'm done with NS2. it had the potential to be something really really good skillful based game and competative, now its just another dogsh!t game just like all the battle fields call of dutys and everything other crash game out there 90% of the games.
srsly you gusy gotta revert everything, or youll see your population of this really high potential game slowly lower till noones gonna play nemore. a'm absolutly done playing this game and so are my 6 other buddys who play it. i had many other ppl close to buying it too, after these changes you guys agree with and the ###### movement these noobs are asking for with the skulks, no way we're gonna play this ne more.
hope you guys change everything bak, cept the lerks gas how it lowers to the ground, thats a good change. see just that alone woulda been amazing to have for the lerk i woulda start piking them more for just that alone. and fix the skulks movement to what it was a few patches ago, bringing bak bhopping wall jumping air acceleration.
god a'm so mad at these noob changes, cuz i know you guys at the NS2 team are reading ppls posts who are asking this game to be made less skillful and easier to handle and telling youselves oh lets make these changes they want, but you dont realize those ppl posing are the worst of players all in one lil thread all agreeing with eachother.
advince: dont chnages nething only improve.
god FKGBUPOKIJUYRFXDUGIHJOKLHHHHHHHHFkmbhgof mk,ld;dfl,rbeatuoiuy oeokp[rd;felv suybh
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Must admit I have wanted to write this kind of post since patch 200 was released. With the current flow ns2 won't be even close to its full potential. At least my expectations for ns2 have been lowered considerably from last 2 patches. Hopefully we will see some changes in next patch that bring the game back in the right direction.
Btw I love that video kryptocide, its so true. Games today tend have much lower skill ceiling to allow more players reach heights with little to no effort.
Are you retarded? I am not even comparing it to Ns1, its totally different. It was two patches ago when skulk was really good till they made skulk go slower. But I thought they would fix it, but now they made them even more slower. lol read my post again. =P You have no clue man, you should stop posting trying to twist my words around in what I was really trying to say.
Did you guys go and see Terminator 2 thinking it was Terminator 1 with better graphics?
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I actually think that is what a lot of people were and still are expecting, and it's pretty damn hard to improve upon an already amazing game. (Kudos to UWE for trying, there's been some significant improvements, but there's also been some changes that I'm sure even in the long run are going to keep people from fully enjoying NS2 like they did NS 1)
i say revert everything but the lerks gas. and keep working on the game and bring out one big patch.
Very well said.
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You can say things like this all you want, but it has nothing to do with any of the issues we've raised. If you like the way the game is headed, but you're not capable of posting, just go play and leave the discussion to us.
But with lerk having it, it can do fly bys and escape pretty quick with less risk.
Just my thoughts.
But with lerk having it, it can do fly bys and escape pretty quick with less risk.
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Gorge bile bombing gave him value late game, as an upfront battle medic/offensive siege unit. You couldn't run off and bile bomb things alone, it left you amazingly weak to an enemy marine, hence promoting team play with allies.
Lerk bile bomb gives them even more incentive to go off alone and not help the team.
Coupled with the new "Transparency" of Lerk's spores, whereas before they were a brilliant way to assist your team. Flying and swooping around with the skulks and fades to cover them up during an offensive rush, Lerks now have very little reason to swoop around active conflicts like they did before.
The changes just moved lerk from a support hit and run class, to an offensive hit and run class with very little support viability.
While moving gorge from being somewhat useful on the front lines, at the cost of being vulnurable, to being far less useful late game.
I really want the opaque spores/bile bomb put back to 199 rev.
The lerk is like a flying marine with an LMG, why do you think the spikes are bad?
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People seem to have forgotten the concept of a beta <i>test</i>... you try stuff out and see how it works. If this proves to be horrible boring ######, it's not like it's horribly hard to move the bilebomb back to the gorge. Personally, I like that Umbra/Babbler idea for the gorge, but we'll see how it works out.