A lot of people sit in spectate.

xSeQueLxSeQueL Join Date: 2012-03-09 Member: 148459Members
edited March 2012 in NS2 General Discussion
As the title says, I'm a VERY new player and I've been enjoying the game a lot however what I've noticed a lot is that people that will afk in spec or sit in the team selection area and wait until they get on the team of their choosing. This generally leaves the 16 slot server with only have 10~ or so active players actually playing.

I personally find this really annoying, I'd like to have a full 8v8 match but you always got those people in spectate. There should be a limit on how long you can sit in the spectate spawn area before it kicks you. If you ACTUALLY wanted to spec you could should have to go into the spectate teleporter.

Just a observation from a new guy. What are your guys thoughts?

Edit - Made this while a little loopy on cough medicine so I just fixed some of the wording up.

I'd also like to clarify that I don't mind people spectating is mostly when they AFK in the team choosing lobby area. If people wanted to spectate then by all means join the spectate team. Maybe in the future there can be somewhere on the scoreboard that differs from people sitting in lobby to the people who actually want to spectate.

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  • NominousNominous Baltimore, MD Join Date: 2012-02-18 Member: 146518Members
    It only annoys me when there are only 8 or less players actually playing. But in full servers, I hardly see more than 3 players waiting in the ready room. I think it's only a matter of time before a plugin is made that kicks afk players.

    Friendly announcement: Playing on either team from time to time will make you a better overall player. :)
  • GORGEousGORGEous Join Date: 2012-02-19 Member: 146762Members, NS2 Map Tester
    Servers need some AFK kicks.

    I'll usually hit up admins to kick AFK specs when they sit around for a few minutes. You can usually ask in chat and someone can find an admin. Most inversion servers (aka all the inversion, all-in, 156(?), darkside) have a few admins around if you ask.
  • xSeQueLxSeQueL Join Date: 2012-03-09 Member: 148459Members
    edited March 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=1911490:date=Mar 9 2012, 12:30 AM:name=GORGEous)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GORGEous @ Mar 9 2012, 12:30 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1911490"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Servers need some AFK kicks.

    I'll usually hit up admins to kick AFK specs when they sit around for a few minutes. You can usually ask in chat and someone can find an admin. Most inversion servers (aka all the inversion, all-in, 156(?), darkside) have a few admins around if you ask.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Good to know, but I think a feature of sorts should be added so you don't have to hassle the admins every time you need someone removed for being in spectate for too long.

    This isn't a HUGE problem, but I do see this happen now and then and just wanted to bring it to attention as in my opinion it kinda ruins some of the experience and also takes up slots for people who actually want to play.
  • ubikjamubikjam Join Date: 2011-10-04 Member: 125618Members
    I agree and the worst thing is that the first 5-10mins of each game is spent as a 3v2. Some of that is players trying to play as their favourites but i imagine its also people going for a whizz! UWE has mentioned a pre game phase when chosen teams can vote on commander, might be good to wait a bit longer for people to fill teams.
  • OrzOrz Join Date: 2010-03-24 Member: 71069Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1911536:date=Mar 9 2012, 10:45 PM:name=ubikjam)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ubikjam @ Mar 9 2012, 10:45 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1911536"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I agree and the worst thing is that the first 5-10mins of each game is spent as a 3v2. Some of that is players trying to play as their favourites but i imagine its also people going for a whizz! UWE has mentioned a pre game phase when chosen teams can vote on commander, might be good to wait a bit longer for people to fill teams.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Yeah, I do find the interval between games slightly too short.
  • DeityDeity Join Date: 2012-01-31 Member: 142843Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    People should be randomly assigned teams after 30 seconds of the game starting if they are still in the RR.

    This would only work if the server also kicked people for AFKing after a reasonable time period of no KB/mouse input.
  • ScardyBobScardyBob ScardyBob Join Date: 2009-11-25 Member: 69528Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    While I sympathize when more people are in the ready room than in-game, I don't think its a big issue if people idle in the RR for a couple of minutes. I do it myself so I can go to the bathroom or grab a drink or simply debrief myself after a long round. Instead, what NS2 needs is either a longer pre-round gametime or not allowing the match to start until a set number of players (greater than one on each side) has joined (e.g. need a min of 6 players before starting). Allowing the option could be set server-side (so I could have a local server start without cheats with one player or set a scrim pre-round time to 5 min) would be preferred.
  • JuCCiJuCCi Join Date: 2011-08-08 Member: 114961Members, NS2 Map Tester
    Admin here from All-In. The big reason behind this idle in rr is due to 1. afk's 2. last round was a head ache or just talking some ######. 3. Just hanging out. Thanks for the great support of the community btw on populating the All-In servers.
  • WebbieWebbie Join Date: 2003-12-26 Member: 24769Members
    I would very much like to see servers running an AR/'Random Room' mod or option.
  • EjquinnEjquinn Join Date: 2012-01-25 Member: 141995Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1911656:date=Mar 9 2012, 02:48 PM:name=JuCCi-PuCCi)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JuCCi-PuCCi @ Mar 9 2012, 02:48 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1911656"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Admin here from All-In. The big reason behind this idle in rr is due to 1. afk's 2. last round was a head ache or just talking some ######. 3. Just hanging out. Thanks for the great support of the community btw on populating the All-In servers.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Wait wait wait. You're Canadian? Damnit. Also increase the turret limit to 4.
  • PricePrice Join Date: 2003-09-27 Member: 21247Members
    edited March 2012
    I wonder why there is even a spectator place.
    I mean most of the time, the game has just 16 slots, so 8 vs 8 sometimes there 2 spectators so its 6 vs 8 or 7 vs 7 and on.
    Why not lock the spectator and only unlock for admins?
    Most people use spectator to see which team has the most of the map ^^
  • JuCCiJuCCi Join Date: 2011-08-08 Member: 114961Members, NS2 Map Tester
    <!--quoteo(post=1911782:date=Mar 10 2012, 03:09 AM:name=Ejquinn)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ejquinn @ Mar 10 2012, 03:09 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1911782"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Wait wait wait. You're Canadian? Damnit. Also increase the turret limit to 4.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    That wont be happening. On All-In servers i try and get people to learn how to play with spamming them. You don't need them to win. So i took the limit down to 3 and also, i think i upped the distance between them allowed till you can build the next 3. And yes im Canadian EH!
  • xorexxorex Join Date: 2012-03-10 Member: 148550Members, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1911810:date=Mar 10 2012, 03:34 AM:name=Price)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Price @ Mar 10 2012, 03:34 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1911810"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I wonder why there is even a spectator place.
    I mean most of the time, the game has just 16 slots, so 8 vs 8 sometimes there 2 spectators so its 6 vs 8 or 7 vs 7 and on.
    Why not lock the spectator and only unlock for admins?
    Most people use spectator to see which team has the most of the map ^^<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    The ready room is the best part of natural selection
  • xSeQueLxSeQueL Join Date: 2012-03-09 Member: 148459Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1911656:date=Mar 9 2012, 12:48 PM:name=JuCCi-PuCCi)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JuCCi-PuCCi @ Mar 9 2012, 12:48 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1911656"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Admin here from All-In. The big reason behind this idle in rr is due to 1. afk's 2. last round was a head ache or just talking some ######. 3. Just hanging out. Thanks for the great support of the community btw on populating the All-In servers.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    From a admin perspective would you want to put on a mod/script that kicked people who stayed in spec for too long? If this thing would be created, as an admin there would you want it on the servers?

    Just a question I'd like to know from a admin point of view.
  • GORGEousGORGEous Join Date: 2012-02-19 Member: 146762Members, NS2 Map Tester
    <!--quoteo(post=1912038:date=Mar 11 2012, 03:24 AM:name=xSeQueL)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xSeQueL @ Mar 11 2012, 03:24 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1912038"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->From a admin perspective would you want to put on a mod/script that kicked people who stayed in spec for too long? If this thing would be created, as an admin there would you want it on the servers?

    Just a question I'd like to know from a admin point of view.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I admin the Team Darkside server and I would put this on our server.
  • Mkk_BitestuffMkk_Bitestuff Join Date: 2003-01-17 Member: 12407Members
    :/ i dont really support kicking spectators.. some old NS1 vets spectate me sometimes and they are starting to get kicked now. Not sure how one spectator can unbalance the game, or cause server full problems. There are a decent amount of servers now that have people playing.
  • Laosh'RaLaosh'Ra Join Date: 2011-12-09 Member: 137232Members
    whats the purpose of the spectator mode if you don't allow people to use it?
  • xSeQueLxSeQueL Join Date: 2012-03-09 Member: 148459Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1912047:date=Mar 11 2012, 02:08 AM:name=Laosh'Ra)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Laosh'Ra @ Mar 11 2012, 02:08 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1912047"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->whats the purpose of the spectator mode if you don't allow people to use it?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    There's a difference between people ACTUALLY going into spectate mode and sitting in the lobby where you choose teams. Which is what I'm mainly talking about.
  • GORGEousGORGEous Join Date: 2012-02-19 Member: 146762Members, NS2 Map Tester
    If you're AFK in the RR for 5m+, you're kind of ruining the game for the other people.

    It's not fair to force one team to lose 7v8 because you wanted to alt tab and watch cat videos.
  • JuCCiJuCCi Join Date: 2011-08-08 Member: 114961Members, NS2 Map Tester
    edited March 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=1912038:date=Mar 11 2012, 04:24 AM:name=xSeQueL)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xSeQueL @ Mar 11 2012, 04:24 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1912038"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->From a admin perspective would you want to put on a mod/script that kicked people who stayed in spec for too long? If this thing would be created, as an admin there would you want it on the servers?

    Just a question I'd like to know from a admin point of view.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I think i would run the mod, but i hope there was a timer i could set before it started kicking people. If someone is afk i kick them to make room. Like i stated above alot of people just like to hang out after a match. As for kicking specs. i let them spec unless people start asking about them. Then i ask them to join please.
  • FloodinatorFloodinator [HBZ] Member Join Date: 2005-02-22 Member: 42087Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    The other goid thing about kicking those AFK ppl is, that other players can join the Server.
    Sometimes I have to wait 10min for a serverslot and as soon as I connect and join a team, I see 2 afk skulks for over 15min and some other AFK in the RR.

    So a 18 slot server was full but actually only 13 were playing.

    What I would prefer is that matchmaking time is increased to 1min and as soon as the round starts all players in the RR are forced to join random. In combination with AFK kick you would have full servers that are actually full of players that are playing.
  • NurEinMenschNurEinMensch Join Date: 2003-02-26 Member: 14056Members, Constellation
    Should simply be server policy. Some admins may want to allow idling in the rr because it can be fun and is a part of community building. Others may want to kick all afk players so there are as many active players as possible.
  • SloppyKissesSloppyKisses omgawd a furreh&#33; Virginia Join Date: 2003-07-05 Member: 17942Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1911856:date=Mar 10 2012, 11:09 AM:name=xorex)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xorex @ Mar 10 2012, 11:09 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1911856"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The ready room is the best part of natural selection<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    This ^
  • GORGEousGORGEous Join Date: 2012-02-19 Member: 146762Members, NS2 Map Tester
    <!--quoteo(post=1912038:date=Mar 11 2012, 04:24 AM:name=xSeQueL)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xSeQueL @ Mar 11 2012, 04:24 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1912038"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->From a admin perspective would you want to put on a mod/script that kicked people who stayed in spec for too long? If this thing would be created, as an admin there would you want it on the servers?

    Just a question I'd like to know from a admin point of view.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    After reading some of the other responses and thinking about it some more, this would be my ideal solution:

    When server is full, kick when idle in RR for 5 minutes. Spectator, Marines, Aliens would be ignored. Or, if there was a way to detect inputs, then kick for 5m idle on any team when the server is full.


    This would automatically remove those people who like to afk for 2 hours in a popular server but not hinder those who want to spec/talk trash. I've seen too many full servers where a few people will afk for 30m++. No reason they should be allowed to remain on the server, but admins can't monitor it all day.
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