Swarm

ScuzballScuzball Join Date: 2003-09-08 Member: 20657Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
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<div class="IPBDescription">wat!?</div>I'm looking for information about the ability Swarm. I checked some wikis but don't have much detail.

"Extra damage when multiples attack"

Does that mean when I hit an enemy and I have swarm, my friends receive a bonus when hitting him shortly thereafter?

Or do I get a bonus when friends hit them?

Do we both need to have Swarm?

Do these bonuses apply to buildings? Gas? Bilebomb?

A dev answer would be great. The tooltip should be more informative in game too! Thanks
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  • CodeineCodeine Join Date: 2010-11-22 Member: 75155Members
    I've always wondered this aswell.
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  • 2sBlind2sBlind Join Date: 2011-11-08 Member: 131738Members
    If you have swarm and your buddy (they don't have to have it) hits a marine and you then hit him within three seconds, you do 25%(?) more damage.
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  • Soul_RiderSoul_Rider Mod Bean Join Date: 2004-06-19 Member: 29388Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue
    It is 25% more damage, but you have to hit them within 2 secs.
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  • ScuzballScuzball Join Date: 2003-09-08 Member: 20657Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    Okay so basically, whenever a marine takes damage, he gets a "debuff" for a few seconds, during which time any OTHER aliens with Swarm get +25% damage on him.

    Is this about right?

    Do buildings get this debuff? If 2 gorges have Swarm, do both their bilebombs get 25% more damage!? I would hope so
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  • Soul_RiderSoul_Rider Mod Bean Join Date: 2004-06-19 Member: 29388Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue
    <!--quoteo(post=1907768:date=Feb 28 2012, 08:50 AM:name=Scuzball)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scuzball @ Feb 28 2012, 08:50 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1907768"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Okay so basically, whenever a marine takes damage, he gets a "debuff" for a few seconds, during which time any OTHER aliens with Swarm get +25% damage on him.

    Is this about right?

    Do buildings get this debuff? If 2 gorges have Swarm, do both their bilebombs get 25% more damage!? I would hope so<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    That is the oddest way I've heard it put but yeah :P

    The code checks if you have swarm when you hit a marine, if you have, it also checks the last time he was hit. If it was less than 2 secs, you get a 25% boost on damage from your hit.

    I only checked quickly so not sure if it also affects buildings :P
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  • WheeeeWheeee Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13713Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    yes it affects bilebomb
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  • ogzogz Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9765Members
    1 more thing to clarify

    does it effect healing spray? :o
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  • swalkswalk Say hello to my little friend. Join Date: 2011-01-20 Member: 78384Members, Squad Five Blue
    edited March 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=1907824:date=Feb 28 2012, 01:14 PM:name=ogz)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogz @ Feb 28 2012, 01:14 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1907824"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->1 more thing to clarify

    does it effect healing spray? :o<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yes.
    And two fades hitting an armor 2 marine, once each, kills him. It takes 3 swipes alone.
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  • TweadleTweadle Join Date: 2005-02-03 Member: 39686Members, NS2 Map Tester
    It can't be a simple damage check because otherwise you could qualify yourself for the 25% extra damage by damaging them yourself. Is there also a range caveat? Does the damage taken by the marine have to be from an alien in close proximity or can it be from lerk spikes across the map, for example?
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  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    edited March 2012
    - Any other alien damages a marine
    - Attack that same marine within 2 seconds, while upgraded with Swarm you do +25% damage

    Simple as that. Bilebomb is also affected, two Gorges with Swarm is very deadly for appliances.
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  • Laosh'RaLaosh'Ra Join Date: 2011-12-09 Member: 137232Members
    several people already asked about swarm-mechanics ingame, maybe the tooltip should be rephrased?
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  • FlayraFlayra Game Director, Unknown Worlds Entertainment San Francisco Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 3Super Administrators, NS2 Developer, Subnautica Developer
    Swarm is being removed from the game shortly. It's confusing and doesn't have a good home.
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  • swalkswalk Say hello to my little friend. Join Date: 2011-01-20 Member: 78384Members, Squad Five Blue
    <!--quoteo(post=1909320:date=Mar 3 2012, 01:57 AM:name=Flayra)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Flayra @ Mar 3 2012, 01:57 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1909320"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Swarm is being removed from the game shortly. It's confusing and doesn't have a good home.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    How about frenzy?
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  • SewlekSewlek The programmer previously known as Schimmel Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16247Members, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, Subnautica Developer
    <!--quoteo(post=1909325:date=Mar 2 2012, 09:19 PM:name=swalk)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (swalk @ Mar 2 2012, 09:19 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1909325"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->How about frenzy?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    as well. whip will most likely not provides upgrades anymore once all other upgrades (and shift) are done.
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  • swalkswalk Say hello to my little friend. Join Date: 2011-01-20 Member: 78384Members, Squad Five Blue
    <!--quoteo(post=1909484:date=Mar 3 2012, 06:06 PM:name=Schimmel)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Schimmel @ Mar 3 2012, 06:06 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1909484"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->as well. whip will most likely not provides upgrades anymore once all other upgrades (and shift) are done.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yay! :D
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  • ZekZek Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 7962Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited March 2012
    What ever happened to the idea of alien lifeforms having their own personal upgrades anyway?
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  • Chris0132Chris0132 Join Date: 2009-07-25 Member: 68262Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1909320:date=Mar 3 2012, 12:57 AM:name=Flayra)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Flayra @ Mar 3 2012, 12:57 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1909320"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Swarm is being removed from the game shortly. It's confusing and doesn't have a good home.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Yeah I kinda found it a bit too difficult to get any use out of, espcially with more useful abilities that trigger consistently and more easily, or which provide a passive benefit.
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  • glimmermanglimmerman Join Date: 2004-04-29 Member: 28300Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1909484:date=Mar 4 2012, 01:06 AM:name=Schimmel)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Schimmel @ Mar 4 2012, 01:06 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1909484"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->as well. whip will most likely not provides upgrades anymore once all other upgrades (and shift) are done.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Noooooooo!!!!!!

    Don't get rid of frenzy!!! How else do I live off the souls of marines when I fade!
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  • IronHorseIronHorse Developer, QA Manager, Technical Support & contributor Join Date: 2010-05-08 Member: 71669Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Subnautica Playtester, Subnautica PT Lead, Pistachionauts
    the one use of swarm that i found was spores when another alien was attacking!.. worked like magic.

    cant wait to see what other upgrades are implemented then.. because you are replacing them, not just removing them... right? ::concerned face::
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  • SmasherSmasher Join Date: 2005-03-06 Member: 43732Members
    edited March 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=1909564:date=Mar 3 2012, 05:15 PM:name=ironhorse)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ironhorse @ Mar 3 2012, 05:15 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1909564"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->cant wait to see what other upgrades are implemented then.. because you are replacing them, not just removing them... right? ::concerned face::<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <!--quoteo(post=1909484:date=Mar 3 2012, 01:06 PM:name=Schimmel)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Schimmel @ Mar 3 2012, 01:06 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1909484"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->..whip will most likely not provides upgrades anymore <b>once all other upgrades (and shift) are done.</b><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I think that answers your question :)
    I, too, can't wait to see the other/new upgrades :)
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  • ÒŗăNģёÒŗăNģё Join Date: 2012-02-09 Member: 144437Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue
    Swarm works when 2 aliens are hitting the same target.

    It is amazing for lerk and gorge and can be a useful upgrade for other aliens on 4th hive. If you have 4 hives chances are you can skulk with max upgrades every life, so xenocide would be awesome for this.
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  • ScardyBobScardyBob ScardyBob Join Date: 2009-11-25 Member: 69528Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    Personally, I mainly used swarm when team lerk rushing a CS. I'm more fond of frenzy, because I found a frenzy/cara combo on the fade to be quite good (probably adding to opness of fades).
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  • swalkswalk Say hello to my little friend. Join Date: 2011-01-20 Member: 78384Members, Squad Five Blue
    <!--quoteo(post=1909588:date=Mar 3 2012, 11:28 PM:name=ScardyBob)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ScardyBob @ Mar 3 2012, 11:28 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1909588"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Personally, I mainly used swarm when team lerk rushing a CS. I'm more fond of frenzy, because I found a frenzy/cara combo on the fade to be quite good (probably adding to opness of fades).<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Two good reasons why their removal is a great addition.
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