Another direct NS2 ripoff

ScytheScythe Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 46NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation, Reinforced - Silver
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<div class="IPBDescription">Game on iStore</div><a href="http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/tremulous/id484908507?mt=12" target="_blank">http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/tremulous/id484908507?mt=12</a>

That screenshot looks awfully familiar.

--Scythe--
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  • WombatLOLWombatLOL Join Date: 2011-11-30 Member: 136042Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1890979:date=Dec 20 2011, 05:14 AM:name=Scythe)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scythe @ Dec 20 2011, 05:14 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1890979"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><a href="http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/tremulous/id484908507?mt=12" target="_blank">http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/tremulous/id484908507?mt=12</a>

    That screenshot looks awfully familiar.

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    WOW at first I thought it was the mod for quake 3... Then I saw the image and holy buckshot... It's directly a ns2 alpha hud rip and assault rifle!

    Pathetic what people do these days.
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  • playerplayer Join Date: 2010-09-12 Member: 73982Members
    It just looks like a wrong screenshot was added accidentally. Tremulous is a legitimate Q3-mod very similar to NS.
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  • Electr0Electr0 Join Date: 2011-10-31 Member: 130337Members
    Is this for real because that's some pretty serious copyright infringement right there, also the reviews are quite laughable.
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  • voltvolt Join Date: 2011-12-20 Member: 138619Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1890984:date=Dec 20 2011, 06:25 AM:name=player)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (player @ Dec 20 2011, 06:25 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1890984"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It just looks like a wrong screenshot was added accidentally. Tremulous is a legitimate Q3-mod very similar to NS.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    No you are very mistaken

    this author/publisher Javier Chavez is scum

    He goes after projects that the developers are no longer active in , Opensource projects that don't charge money for playing or reusing source code. He then does a crappy port and sells the games, in this case the tremulous developers either don't care enough or are MIA to do anything about this. But trust me there was no mistake in the usage of the Natural selection 2 screenshot as the first image.

    that project on the app store is not supported by the Tremulous developers, but by a rouge person who is going around and selling free to play games. So please do not try and give out incorrect information.
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  • playerplayer Join Date: 2010-09-12 Member: 73982Members
    It appears you are correct, and he is in violation of Q3's (and Termulous') GPL-license, as well as not attributing artwork and possible a couple of other things. A polite e-mail to Apple will hopefully resolve this.
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  • Laosh'RaLaosh'Ra Join Date: 2011-12-09 Member: 137232Members
    the description made me laugh but also angry at the same time. and the artwork, well, they didn't even TRY to make it look less like a ripoff! and they really demand money for this? i hope UWE will sue the sh*t out of them.
    but on the bright side: when someone does a ripoff of your project, it means you came up with something good.
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  • elodeaelodea Editlodea Join Date: 2009-06-20 Member: 67877Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    Looks like there might be a potentially big market for UWE to sell their models as placeholders..
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  • vlncvlnc Join Date: 2010-09-07 Member: 73921Members, Squad Five Blue
    edited December 2011
    It's time to hunt Javier Chavez.

    Yep fake <a href="http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=16401.0" target="_blank">http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=16401.0</a> (like said volt)
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  • swalkswalk Say hello to my little friend. Join Date: 2011-01-20 Member: 78384Members, Squad Five Blue
    <!--quoteo(post=1891012:date=Dec 20 2011, 02:37 PM:name=vlnc)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vlnc @ Dec 20 2011, 02:37 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1891012"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It's time to hunt Javier Chavez.

    Yep fake <a href="http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=16401.0" target="_blank">http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=16401.0</a> (like said volt)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Bring forth the pitchforks and the torches!
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  • vlncvlnc Join Date: 2010-09-07 Member: 73921Members, Squad Five Blue
    <!--quoteo(post=1891014:date=Dec 20 2011, 02:51 PM:name=swalk)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (swalk @ Dec 20 2011, 02:51 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1891014"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Bring forth the pitchforks and the torches!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    burn him !
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  • TheNameIsJamboTheNameIsJambo Join Date: 2011-12-15 Member: 138071Members
    edited December 2011
    Nuclear Dawn rings a bell.

    That game made me LOL though. It was brutal. It's Natural Selection on the Source engine, without any aliens. And the environments are disappointing, to say the least. The whole game is just <b>bland</b>.

    The word 'Average' comes to mind.. Repeatedly.
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  • playerplayer Join Date: 2010-09-12 Member: 73982Members
    Nuclear Dawn is Empires without vehicles.
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  • Deagle2Deagle2 Join Date: 2010-11-30 Member: 75360Members
    Wow, I got surprised, this screenshot actually came from me, I tried remaking a famous tremulous map in NS2 with my crappy mapping skills because I like both games, and I posted it on tremulous forum... I dropped the project because I was too bad at this. Still that's disgusting what this guy do.
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  • Josh86Josh86 Join Date: 2010-12-06 Member: 75513Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1891017:date=Dec 20 2011, 09:02 AM:name=TheNameIsJambo)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheNameIsJambo @ Dec 20 2011, 09:02 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1891017"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Nuclear Dawn rings a bell.

    That game made me LOL though. It was brutal. It's Natural Selection on the Source engine, without any aliens. And the environments are disappointing, to say the least. The whole game is just <b>bland</b>.

    The word 'Average' comes to mind.. Repeatedly.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    You shouldn't knock on Nuclear Dawn so much. I've personally never played it and I don't think it looks very exciting, but the developers stuck with it and pushed their game out there. I don't think they really ripped anyone off, it's simply a FPS/RTS type with combat roles and structures.

    There are other game like that out there: Empires Mod, C&C Renegade, Battlezone II, Natural Selection, etc. I think you would end up seeing similarities in a somewhat obscure genre like this one. I wouldn't give the Nuclear Dawn devs a hard time like I would with this Javier fella'. It's a very sneaky thing he's doing.
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  • peregrinusperegrinus Join Date: 2010-07-16 Member: 72445Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1891024:date=Dec 20 2011, 03:48 PM:name=Josh86)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Josh86 @ Dec 20 2011, 03:48 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1891024"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I don't think they really ripped anyone off, it's simply a FPS/RTS type with combat roles and structures.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Didn't they steal the armory model from NS2? Or was that another game?
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  • InsaneInsane Anomaly Join Date: 2002-05-13 Member: 605Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, NS2 Map Tester, Subnautica Developer, Pistachionauts, Future Perfect Developer
    That was definitely another game. Nuclear Dawn has had some pretty talented artists working on it in its time, I don't think they need to steal anything.
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  • Josh86Josh86 Join Date: 2010-12-06 Member: 75513Members
    edited December 2011
    <!--quoteo(post=1891027:date=Dec 20 2011, 10:13 AM:name=peregrinus)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peregrinus @ Dec 20 2011, 10:13 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1891027"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Didn't they steal the armory model from NS2? Or was that another game?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Yeah, that was some weird Tribes and Halo inspired hybrid game. Someone posted a video on it somewhere in the forums. I just don't want people confusing Nuclear Dawn with some rip-off developer. Like I said, I give them credit for seeing it to completion and sticking it out there. Their release date was pushed back a number of times, I was worried it wasn't going to happen. Anyone who rides it out with so much negativity and doubt deserves some praise, I think.
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  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    <!--quoteo(post=1891021:date=Dec 20 2011, 02:25 PM:name=player)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (player @ Dec 20 2011, 02:25 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1891021"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Nuclear Dawn is Empires without vehicles.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    And costs moneys
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  • Chris0132Chris0132 Join Date: 2009-07-25 Member: 68262Members
    I've heard the name tremulous before. Not sure where though.

    Why it has what looks like a very badly made NS2 custom map as a screenshot though I have no idea.
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  • Death_by_bulletsDeath_by_bullets Join Date: 2004-03-14 Member: 27336Members
    Intellectual Property (IP) rights violation. The world is increasing more digital based and as such the softwares that run our world are being stolen. The U.S. has pretty decent IP laws, but sadly the rest of the world is lacking. China and India for example, even though they are quite modern when it comes to protection of physical assets, have little IP laws and as such software is stolen at an alarming rate. If UWE would like to pursue this (And I think they would assuming they can budget it) then they need to be aware of the IP laws here in the US. Check out any of these links...


    <a href="http://www.shk-dplc.com/cfo/articles/copyrite.htm" target="_blank">http://www.shk-dplc.com/cfo/articles/copyrite.htm</a> (1997)

    <a href="http://www.freibrun.com/articles/articl2.htm" target="_blank">http://www.freibrun.com/articles/articl2.htm</a> (2011)


    I'm sure there are better/more in depth articles out there but here is some general info. As you can see with the first link, this issue has been going on for some time.
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  • IeptBarakatIeptBarakat The most difficult name to speak ingame. Join Date: 2009-07-10 Member: 68107Members, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow
    Looks like another day in the apple store. Stolen content sold for 99 cents.
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  • HarimauHarimau Join Date: 2007-12-24 Member: 63250Members
    As far as UWE are concerned, it's just the one image, right? Send Apple an email, sure, but pursuing it any further than that... I don't think so. Seems like a waste of time.

    The Tremulous guys, on the other hand...
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  • Josh86Josh86 Join Date: 2010-12-06 Member: 75513Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1891041:date=Dec 20 2011, 11:38 AM:name=Chris0132)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chris0132 @ Dec 20 2011, 11:38 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1891041"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I've heard the name tremulous before. Not sure where though.

    Why it has what looks like a very badly made NS2 custom map as a screenshot though I have no idea.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I've never played it, but it seems that it was a team-based Quake mod with a human and alien team. I've heard some bad comments from some people that NS is just a ripoff of that -- but I don't think that it's a very nice thing to say about such a unique and fun mod. I never was a Quake player, so missed out on the mod scene then. I was too busy with Playstation games and non-FPS games (Earthsiege or Sierra Games, Heroes of Might and Magic, LucasArts stuff, etc) on computer. It was around '98 that I started getting into heavy computer multiplayer and 3d first person shooters (Delta Force, Tribes, Half-Life, etc).

    I get kind of sick of all the accusatory "they copied this" stuff. Early computer and Nintendo games were all like that D: everything seemed to have a clone of some sort. It's just how ideas are...with anything really. What this guy is doing, as I said, seems sneaky, though.
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  • HarimauHarimau Join Date: 2007-12-24 Member: 63250Members
    One man's rip-off is another man's homage.
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  • Fluid CoreFluid Core Join Date: 2007-12-26 Member: 63260Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    I agree with Harimau here. For NS it's just that one screenshot..
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  • BiglinesBiglines Join Date: 2003-12-07 Member: 24094Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1891044:date=Dec 20 2011, 05:45 PM:name=Death_by_bullets)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Death_by_bullets @ Dec 20 2011, 05:45 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1891044"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Intellectual Property (IP) rights violation. The world is increasing more digital based and as such the softwares that run our world are being stolen. The U.S. has pretty decent IP laws, but sadly the rest of the world is lacking. China and India for example, even though they are quite modern when it comes to protection of physical assets, have little IP laws and as such software is stolen at an alarming rate. If UWE would like to pursue this (And I think they would assuming they can budget it) then they need to be aware of the IP laws here in the US. Check out any of these links...


    <a href="http://www.shk-dplc.com/cfo/articles/copyrite.htm" target="_blank">http://www.shk-dplc.com/cfo/articles/copyrite.htm</a> (1997)

    <a href="http://www.freibrun.com/articles/articl2.htm" target="_blank">http://www.freibrun.com/articles/articl2.htm</a> (2011)


    I'm sure there are better/more in depth articles out there but here is some general info. As you can see with the first link, this issue has been going on for some time.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    While I completely agree that this is an example of "evil", and this person should be burnt and hanged (yes at the same time), I wouldn't call U.S. (or european for that matter) I.P. law decent. The only thing it protects is lawyers and patent trolls. It's bad for the economy, it's bad for creators, it's bad for consumers, the only ones profiting from it are the middlemen (the aforementioned laywers and patent trolls). Especially U.S. copyright and patent law is used solely to rip off people, by simply suing everyone who doesn't have enough money to defend themselves. Yes China and most of the non-western world doesn't abide by copyright law, but if those laws were more reasonable and modern (I mean, suing old ladies and 9 year old girls for having downloaded a song...), they might actually be respected. The current copyright law teaches our children that breaking the law is normal and good.

    Saying that however, I haven't played a pirated game since I was a child, and all the software on my computer is either bought or open source. But it also means that I generally try to stay away from the worst IP trolls (EA, RIAA, Apple etc.).

    A more reasonable and modern IP protection law would be better for our own compliance and adherance to laws, it would make innovation and economic growth less of a chore, and it might actually be adopted by people who simply lack the cultural baggage to even understand our silly western standards of IP abuse.
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  • Fluid CoreFluid Core Join Date: 2007-12-26 Member: 63260Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1891055:date=Dec 20 2011, 06:29 PM:name=Biglines)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Biglines @ Dec 20 2011, 06:29 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1891055"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->While I completely agree that this is an example of "evil", and this person should be burnt and hanged (yes at the same time), I wouldn't call U.S. (or european for that matter) I.P. law decent. The only thing it protects is lawyers and patent trolls. It's bad for the economy, it's bad for creators, it's bad for consumers, the only ones profiting from it are the middlemen (the aforementioned laywers and patent trolls). Especially U.S. copyright and patent law is used solely to rip off people, by simply suing everyone who doesn't have enough money to defend themselves. Yes China and most of the non-western world doesn't abide by copyright law, but if those laws were more reasonable and modern (I mean, suing old ladies and 9 year old girls for having downloaded a song...), they might actually be respected. The current copyright law teaches our children that breaking the law is normal and good.

    Saying that however, I haven't played a pirated game since I was a child, and all the software on my computer is either bought or open source. But it also means that I generally try to stay away from the worst IP trolls (EA, RIAA, Apple etc.).

    A more reasonable and modern IP protection law would be better for our own compliance and adherance to laws, it would make innovation and economic growth less of a chore, and it might actually be adopted by people who simply lack the cultural baggage to even understand our silly western standards of IP abuse.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Word up!
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  • HarimauHarimau Join Date: 2007-12-24 Member: 63250Members
    Aren't piracy and intellectual property infringements different issues?
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  • MadMakzMadMakz Join Date: 2010-12-22 Member: 75850Members
    1 of 5 screenshot from NS2. Accident? (Beside the Tremulous rip)

    <a href="http://a5.mzstatic.com/us/r1000/087/Purple/dc/26/eb/mzl.gubuycpu.800x500-75.jpg" target="_blank">http://a5.mzstatic.com/us/r1000/087/Purple....800x500-75.jpg</a> (NS2)
    <a href="http://a5.mzstatic.com/us/r1000/068/Purple/d0/7d/f4/mzl.vdgiwvqg.800x500-75.jpg" target="_blank">http://a5.mzstatic.com/us/r1000/068/Purple....800x500-75.jpg</a> (Tremulous)
    <a href="http://a4.mzstatic.com/us/r1000/117/Purple/ee/26/ae/mzl.cyvytdcz.800x500-75.jpg" target="_blank">http://a4.mzstatic.com/us/r1000/117/Purple....800x500-75.jpg</a> (Tremulous)
    <a href="http://a3.mzstatic.com/us/r1000/100/Purple/d5/e5/92/mzl.zbdtontx.800x500-75.jpg" target="_blank">http://a3.mzstatic.com/us/r1000/100/Purple....800x500-75.jpg</a> (Tremulous)
    <a href="http://a1.mzstatic.com/us/r1000/115/Purple/d2/b5/ab/mzl.zdaybmtk.800x500-75.jpg" target="_blank">http://a1.mzstatic.com/us/r1000/115/Purple....800x500-75.jpg</a> (Tremulous)

    Source: <a href="http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/tremulous/id484908507" target="_blank">http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/tremulous/id484908507</a>
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  • DooM-AUDooM-AU Join Date: 2011-06-27 Member: 106715Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1891044:date=Dec 21 2011, 02:45 AM:name=Death_by_bullets)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Death_by_bullets @ Dec 21 2011, 02:45 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1891044"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The U.S. has pretty decent IP laws, but sadly the rest of the world is lacking.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    No they ###### don't, USA has the worst IP law's.
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