The best use of voxels in games i played is Outcast <a href="http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/outcast/" target="_blank">http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/outcast/</a>
and I think it was mixed I think they used polygons for characters and voxels for terrain.
Which was a pretty fun action/rpg-lite game. The dialog was all done with mo-cap so mouths moved heads moved and hands moved while talking. The music was awesome (moscow orchestra) and the game was roomy and outdoors.
<!--quoteo(post=1866359:date=Aug 4 2011, 01:43 PM:name=vizionz)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vizionz @ Aug 4 2011, 01:43 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1866359"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->*yawn* This thread is in the wrong Forum Category...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=1866288:date=Aug 4 2011, 01:11 PM:name=NS2HD)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NS2HD @ Aug 4 2011, 01:11 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1866288"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I certainly hope that if in the distant, distant future we ever do see a Natural Selection 3 (And which trilogy has ever done justice to the sequel?) it is on Spark, or Spark 2, or some other such original creation of Max and the boys.
I certainly wouldn't feel inspired to follow Natural Selection 2 if it was just being shoehorned into a vanilla engine!
Now I wonder, what will the creative minds of UWE turn to when NS2 is shipped, and active patches are rolling... A new universe perhaps? A completely new idea for a game? Now there's an exciting thought!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> The thing is, the Unreal engine is very optimized! <!--coloro:#FF0000--><span style="color:#FF0000"><!--/coloro--><b>[removed comparing...idk why i wrote it down xD] </b><!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
(do not forget this is a BETA but the models are final?!) But this doesn't mean NS2 does not look amazing! I mean ns2 or the spark engine is made by a indie dev. team which is incredible! <!--quoteo(post=1866148:date=Aug 3 2011, 11:13 PM:name=zex)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (zex @ Aug 3 2011, 11:13 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1866148"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><center><object width="450" height="356"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/Tl6PE_n6zTk"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/Tl6PE_n6zTk" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="450" height="356"></embed></object></center><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> See, notch is a ...
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<!--quoteo(post=1866296:date=Aug 4 2011, 02:05 PM:name=Jason ######)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jason ###### @ Aug 4 2011, 02:05 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1866296"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->of corse the next engine will be called "fire engine" cause after spark comes fire, and then "smoke engine" yes yes im high<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=1866372:date=Aug 4 2011, 07:44 PM:name=Price)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Price @ Aug 4 2011, 07:44 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1866372"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The thing is, the Unreal engine is very optimized! if you for example compare the old aliens vs predator game with NS2<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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<!--quoteo(post=1866372:date=Aug 4 2011, 06:44 PM:name=Price)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Price @ Aug 4 2011, 06:44 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1866372"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The thing is, the Unreal engine is very optimized! if you for example compare the old aliens vs predator game with NS2
(do not forget this is a BETA but the models are final?!) But this doesn't mean NS2 does not look amazing! I mean ns2 or the spark engine is made by a indie dev. team which is incredible!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->And Spark is seriously lacking in graphics options currently :)
<!--quoteo(post=1866372:date=Aug 4 2011, 06:44 PM:name=Price)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Price @ Aug 4 2011, 06:44 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1866372"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The thing is, the Unreal engine is very optimized! if you for example compare the old aliens vs predator game with NS2<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Oh, come on. You took one of their publicly released and totally staged and photoshopped screenshots (I've played the game, it didn't look that good) and put it next to a random in game shot of NS2 in a less then impressive area, with no FX and no bloom and nothing interesting going on. Sorry, not exactly a fair comparison.
And we still have plenty of graphical bells and whistles that are planned to go into the game, before release, don't worry.
<!--quoteo(post=1866496:date=Aug 5 2011, 01:02 AM:name=Squeal_Like_A_Pig)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Squeal_Like_A_Pig @ Aug 5 2011, 01:02 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1866496"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Oh, come on. You took one of their publicly released and totally staged and photoshopped screenshots (I've played the game, it didn't look that good) and put it next to a random in game shot of NS2 in a less then impressive area, with no FX and no bloom and nothing interesting going on. Sorry, not exactly a fair comparison.
And we still have plenty of graphical bells and whistles that are planned to go into the game, before release, don't worry.
--Cory<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> This is exactly what made me a sad panda. :D
<!--quoteo(post=1866502:date=Aug 5 2011, 01:25 AM:name=rammaj)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rammaj @ Aug 5 2011, 01:25 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1866502"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->BTW as far as I know Aliens VS Predator dosnt use unreal engine 3.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah it uses fully dynamic lighting as far as I know, which unreal doesn't have.
It also doesn't look like that ingame, the effects aren't that good.
Why all the uneducated guesses at how another engine is much better, unless you are actually a game developer with the design plans of UWE, how can someone possibly know?
I've always thought a game engine is more about application, as in you wouldn't use a FPS engine for a flight simulator game, and such. Natural Selection has both FPS and top view RTS gameplay, which might make it a little hard to use a general engine for this. My guess is some of the ideas UWE want to implement, was not possible using a licensed engine. Maybe it was just too expensive to license an engine considering their small team size.
But guess what, it's pointless to speculate about all this :P
<!--quoteo(post=1866502:date=Aug 5 2011, 02:25 AM:name=rammaj)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rammaj @ Aug 5 2011, 02:25 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1866502"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->BTW as far as I know Aliens VS Predator dosnt use unreal engine 3.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> It's using their own engine "Asura" acording to this <a href="http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/aliens-vs-predator/news.html?sid=6215126&tag=gumballs%3Btitle%3B2&mode=previews" target="_blank">interview</a>.
<!--quoteo(post=1866136:date=Aug 3 2011, 03:11 PM:name=DJPenguin)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DJPenguin @ Aug 3 2011, 03:11 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1866136"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->that video is going viral and a good 99% of people watching it have no clue of it's draw backs. mainly it's inability to even be used in a home PC.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
At the moment. Moore called. He said you disregarded his law...
Still. I admit, it looks too good to be true and you all know (I hope) that if something seems too good to be true, it usually is.
<!--quoteo(post=1866496:date=Aug 5 2011, 02:02 AM:name=Squeal_Like_A_Pig)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Squeal_Like_A_Pig @ Aug 5 2011, 02:02 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1866496"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Oh, come on. You took one of their publicly released and totally staged and photoshopped screenshots (I've played the game, it didn't look that good) and put it next to a random in game shot of NS2 in a less then impressive area, with no FX and no bloom and nothing interesting going on. Sorry, not exactly a fair comparison.
--Cory<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> How can comparing a indie game to a million dollar game be fair?
edit: anyway the game uses the Asura Engine and it looks still good ingame: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=sokRn-N9i98#t=41s" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=playe...kRn-N9i98#t=41s</a> but its a singleplayer game (primary) so no wonder it looks better in most scenes, because there is more details which would annoy player to get blocked. I don't say your engine does not look good, i like your engine. But you know the impression of the spark engine isn't good yet, for a lot of people, i always hear people complaining about lags, low fps and stuff. Yes, its a beta, i know, thats why i add that to the text, i didn't know you guys take that "comparing" sooooo serious. Good thinks need their time...and i like the look of the spark engine but the peformence is horrible. Sometimes it feels like the new patch, slows down the fps.
<!--quoteo(post=1866496:date=Aug 5 2011, 02:02 AM:name=Squeal_Like_A_Pig)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Squeal_Like_A_Pig @ Aug 5 2011, 02:02 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1866496"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->And we still have plenty of graphical bells and whistles that are planned to go into the game, before release, don't worry. --Cory<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't worry, i wait since ns1 died because of combat mode. I buy NS2 already 3 times and give it to friends and me. I support you, but you know it feels like you want to drive your new car, but the engine doesn't work well, so you can not drive at full speed, you have to drive like 30km/h and sometimes the engine don't let you drive.
BTW A v P doesn't have this kind of view: <a href="http://i1-games.softpedia-static.com/screenshots/Natural-Selection-2-Beta-Gameplay-Trailer_2.jpg" target="_blank">commander view</a> .. and it sux @!
and Cory have right, compare AVP screenshot with more accurate one... i.e.: <img src="http://i.imgur.com/UYBdb.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /> <img src="http://ps3.pspfreak.de/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/avp_marinepovscreen.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
BTW A v P doesn't have this kind of view: <a href="http://i1-games.softpedia-static.com/screenshots/Natural-Selection-2-Beta-Gameplay-Trailer_2.jpg" target="_blank">commander view</a> .. and it sux @!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Said the troll... Wow the game hasn't the commander view? You must be GENIUS!
Funny thing is AvP still looks better there :P, but those shots are definitely photoshopped. The graphics were on par with HL1, not anywhere near that good(looks almost as good as Farcry there).
If you guys have played AVP on PC, you would realize its an average looking game at best with fairly low res textures, I wasn't very impressed with the game at all and I maxed it out at 1920 X 1200.
NS2 is a much better looking game and the engine is still being built with half the graphical effects missing.
They've been showing this same video for almost 10 years, never really went anywhere with it. It's a scam, it's bull######. What has changed this year compared to last year? They added a rock? Wow, looks like it has a lot of potential.
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The best use of voxels in games i played is Outcast
<a href="http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/outcast/" target="_blank">http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/outcast/</a>
and I think it was mixed
I think they used polygons for characters and voxels for terrain.
Which was a pretty fun action/rpg-lite game.
The dialog was all done with mo-cap so mouths moved heads moved and hands moved while talking.
The music was awesome (moscow orchestra)
and the game was roomy and outdoors.
This thread is in the wrong Forum Category...
This thread is in the wrong Forum Category...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
use your mod powers and move it then
I certainly wouldn't feel inspired to follow Natural Selection 2 if it was just being shoehorned into a vanilla engine!
Now I wonder, what will the creative minds of UWE turn to when NS2 is shipped, and active patches are rolling... A new universe perhaps? A completely new idea for a game? Now there's an exciting thought!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The thing is, the Unreal engine is very optimized!
<!--coloro:#FF0000--><span style="color:#FF0000"><!--/coloro--><b>[removed comparing...idk why i wrote it down xD]
</b><!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
(do not forget this is a BETA but the models are final?!)
But this doesn't mean NS2 does not look amazing!
I mean ns2 or the spark engine is made by a indie dev. team which is incredible!
<!--quoteo(post=1866148:date=Aug 3 2011, 11:13 PM:name=zex)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (zex @ Aug 3 2011, 11:13 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1866148"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><center><object width="450" height="356"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/Tl6PE_n6zTk"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/Tl6PE_n6zTk" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="450" height="356"></embed></object></center><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
See, notch is a ...
cause after spark comes fire, and then "smoke engine"
yes yes im high<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<img src="http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/etyf-8-c9f0.png" border="0" class="linked-image" />
Hey lol lloook i have already installed ns3 including both expansion packs :3
and yes lol i checkd and its running on fire engine <3
if you for example compare the old aliens vs predator game with NS2<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This post makes me a saaaad panda. :(
if you for example compare the old aliens vs predator game with NS2
<img src="http://ps3.pspfreak.de/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/avp_marinepovscreen.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
<img src="http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/7166/ns22011070907512678.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
(do not forget this is a BETA but the models are final?!)
But this doesn't mean NS2 does not look amazing!
I mean ns2 or the spark engine is made by a indie dev. team which is incredible!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->And Spark is seriously lacking in graphics options currently :)
if you for example compare the old aliens vs predator game with NS2<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh, come on. You took one of their publicly released and totally staged and photoshopped screenshots (I've played the game, it didn't look that good) and put it next to a random in game shot of NS2 in a less then impressive area, with no FX and no bloom and nothing interesting going on. Sorry, not exactly a fair comparison.
And we still have plenty of graphical bells and whistles that are planned to go into the game, before release, don't worry.
--Cory
And we still have plenty of graphical bells and whistles that are planned to go into the game, before release, don't worry.
--Cory<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is exactly what made me a sad panda. :D
Yeah it uses fully dynamic lighting as far as I know, which unreal doesn't have.
It also doesn't look like that ingame, the effects aren't that good.
I've always thought a game engine is more about application, as in you wouldn't use a FPS engine for a flight simulator game, and such.
Natural Selection has both FPS and top view RTS gameplay, which might make it a little hard to use a general engine for this.
My guess is some of the ideas UWE want to implement, was not possible using a licensed engine. Maybe it was just too expensive to license an engine considering their small team size.
But guess what, it's pointless to speculate about all this :P
<!--quoteo(post=1866502:date=Aug 5 2011, 02:25 AM:name=rammaj)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rammaj @ Aug 5 2011, 02:25 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1866502"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->BTW as far as I know Aliens VS Predator dosnt use unreal engine 3.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's using their own engine "Asura" acording to this <a href="http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/aliens-vs-predator/news.html?sid=6215126&tag=gumballs%3Btitle%3B2&mode=previews" target="_blank">interview</a>.
At the moment. Moore called. He said you disregarded his law...
Still. I admit, it looks too good to be true and you all know (I hope) that if something seems too good to be true, it usually is.
--Cory<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
How can comparing a indie game to a million dollar game be fair?
edit:
anyway the game uses the Asura Engine and it looks still good ingame:
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=sokRn-N9i98#t=41s" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=playe...kRn-N9i98#t=41s</a>
but its a singleplayer game (primary) so no wonder it looks better in most scenes, because there is more details which would annoy player to get blocked.
I don't say your engine does not look good, i like your engine.
But you know the impression of the spark engine isn't good yet, for a lot of people, i always hear people complaining about lags, low fps and stuff.
Yes, its a beta, i know, thats why i add that to the text, i didn't know you guys take that "comparing" sooooo serious.
Good thinks need their time...and i like the look of the spark engine but the peformence is horrible.
Sometimes it feels like the new patch, slows down the fps.
<!--quoteo(post=1866496:date=Aug 5 2011, 02:02 AM:name=Squeal_Like_A_Pig)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Squeal_Like_A_Pig @ Aug 5 2011, 02:02 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1866496"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->And we still have plenty of graphical bells and whistles that are planned to go into the game, before release, don't worry.
--Cory<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't worry, i wait since ns1 died because of combat mode.
I buy NS2 already 3 times and give it to friends and me.
I support you, but you know it feels like you want to drive your new car, but the engine doesn't work well, so you can not drive at full speed, you have to drive like 30km/h and sometimes the engine don't let you drive.
BTW A v P doesn't have this kind of view: <a href="http://i1-games.softpedia-static.com/screenshots/Natural-Selection-2-Beta-Gameplay-Trailer_2.jpg" target="_blank">commander view</a>
.. and it sux @!
and Cory have right, compare AVP screenshot with more accurate one... i.e.:
<img src="http://i.imgur.com/UYBdb.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
<img src="http://ps3.pspfreak.de/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/avp_marinepovscreen.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
BTW A v P doesn't have this kind of view: <a href="http://i1-games.softpedia-static.com/screenshots/Natural-Selection-2-Beta-Gameplay-Trailer_2.jpg" target="_blank">commander view</a>
.. and it sux @!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Said the troll...
Wow the game hasn't the commander view?
You must be GENIUS!
NS2 is a much better looking game and the engine is still being built with half the graphical effects missing.