Development Blog Update - NS2 Q&A #2

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  • Stele007Stele007 Join Date: 2004-07-23 Member: 30063Members
    Oooh, very informative Q&A. Thank you.
  • DeadzoneDeadzone Join Date: 2003-07-03 Member: 17911Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    Great post, Max. Interesting to hear how much the tick rate can look like "lag" - I never would have guessed it :P
  • PlasmaPlasma Join Date: 2003-04-26 Member: 15855Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue
    I don't think 'r_atmospherics true' works (at least on tram near the windows).

    I was trying to see if it looked like this, no change though:

    <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH-SH1Iw6TY&feature=player_embedded#t=1m40s" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH-SH1Iw6TY...mbedded#t=1m40s</a>
  • CrispixCrispix Join Date: 2007-01-10 Member: 59543Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Gold, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited February 2011
    <!--quoteo(post=1830733:date=Feb 9 2011, 01:39 AM:name=Plasma)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Plasma @ Feb 9 2011, 01:39 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1830733"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I don't think 'r_atmospherics true' works (at least on tram near the windows).

    I was trying to see if it looked like this, no change though:

    <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH-SH1Iw6TY&feature=player_embedded#t=1m40s" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH-SH1Iw6TY...mbedded#t=1m40s</a><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Yeah I tried it out the moment I read that and started getting giddy. I then became sad to find out it doesn't work.
  • UzguzUzguz Join Date: 2003-06-05 Member: 17016Members, Constellation
    I can't check right now, but I'm guessing the correct command is actually 'r_atmospherics 1'.

    Thanks for the info Max. A good solid wall of technical info is just what the community needs right now, and it's always heartening to see a game developer care enough to deliver one. Will Charlie post a similar entry for gameplay questions?

    P.S. Why does Firefox's spell checker want to replace "Max" with "Marx"? Subliminal messaging perhaps?
  • GaroGaro Join Date: 2005-01-07 Member: 33134Members, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Silver, Subnautica Playtester
    Thank you Max!

    As a programmer it's always pure gold to find posts like that, keep up the excellent work!

    - Garo
  • peregrinusperegrinus Join Date: 2010-07-16 Member: 72445Members
    I'd love to see footage/screenshots of the 'atmospherics' if someone managed to enable it.
  • McGlaspieMcGlaspie www.team156.com Join Date: 2010-07-26 Member: 73044Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, Squad Five Gold, Reinforced - Onos, WC 2013 - Gold, Subnautica Playtester
    edited February 2011
    Wait a sec...

    Holy sh*t! Just realized how many lines of comments is in the engine code: 171,928 lines of comments. That is impressive! Damn I'd love to browse the source code...then again, I don't understand the language of Wizards so it's not like I'd comprehend it. ;)

    *sigh* I need more math
  • derWalterderWalter Join Date: 2008-10-29 Member: 65323Members
  • Squeal_Like_A_PigSqueal_Like_A_Pig Janitor Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 66Members, Super Administrators, NS1 Playtester, NS2 Developer, Reinforced - Supporter, WC 2013 - Silver, Subnautica Developer
    edited February 2011
    <!--quoteo(post=1830733:date=Feb 9 2011, 06:39 AM:name=Plasma)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Plasma @ Feb 9 2011, 06:39 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1830733"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I don't think 'r_atmospherics true' works (at least on tram near the windows).

    I was trying to see if it looked like this, no change though:<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That is the correct console command to use, but there haven't been many lights added to Tram yet that are volumetric, so its probably not the best test case. Definitely none in that window area yet. I believe some subtle ones were added underneath the grating in the alien expansion, so you can test it there. We were hesitant to add much in the way of atmospheric lights in Tram until we were able to get the overall framerate up, but it will get a pass with that lighting once they've been more optimized.

    Some of the other unreleased maps have been making more use of the atmospheric lights, at the moment.

    --Cory
  • AsranielAsraniel Join Date: 2002-06-03 Member: 724Members, Playtest Lead, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester, Retired Community Developer
    ah how much i wait for the day when we can help to write the opengl renderer :) developed on linux :D oh... i want to
  • EnceladusEnceladus Join Date: 2004-01-18 Member: 25442Members
    This is how the atmospheric lighting looks on tram. Very subtle at the moment.
    <center><object width="450" height="356"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/QVSGExARJTM&hd=1"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/QVSGExARJTM&hd=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="450" height="356"></embed></object></center>


    For the sake of showoff I changed 2 lights in Rockdown, and this is the result :)
    <center><object width="450" height="356"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/QcKVQsqN_xw&hd=1"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/QcKVQsqN_xw&hd=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="450" height="356"></embed></object></center>
  • derWalterderWalter Join Date: 2008-10-29 Member: 65323Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1830756:date=Feb 9 2011, 11:35 AM:name=Enceladus)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Enceladus @ Feb 9 2011, 11:35 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1830756"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->For the sake of showoff I changed 2 lights in Rockdown, and this is the result :)
    <center><object width="450" height="356"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/QcKVQsqN_xw&hd=1"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/QcKVQsqN_xw&hd=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="450" height="356"></embed></object></center><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    i want it so badly :P

    but only as long i could turn it off to!
  • RTVRTV Join Date: 2008-06-09 Member: 64417Members
    so much technical stuff, no gameplay talking :(
  • PseudoKnightPseudoKnight Join Date: 2002-06-18 Member: 791Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1830763:date=Feb 9 2011, 04:46 AM:name=RTV)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RTV @ Feb 9 2011, 04:46 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1830763"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->so much technical stuff, no gameplay talking :(<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Wow, there's no pleasing some people. Gameplay Q&As will be coming later. This is just a technical one by Max, you know, the technical director.

    Loved the information. Thanks for taking the time to do this, Max.
  • RTVRTV Join Date: 2008-06-09 Member: 64417Members
    edited February 2011
    <!--quoteo(post=1830764:date=Feb 9 2011, 12:50 PM:name=PseudoKnight)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PseudoKnight @ Feb 9 2011, 12:50 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1830764"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Wow, there's no pleasing some people. Gameplay Q&As will be coming later. This is just a technical one by Max, you know, the technical director.

    Loved the information. Thanks for taking the time to do this, Max.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Im so happy happy
    <img src="http://www.melanie-ecker.de/gif/happy.gif" border="0" class="linked-image" />
    He gives a FREE Q&A, im so <!--sizeo:7--><span style="font-size:36pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo-->H A P P Y<!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec-->
    You should spend them 100 Dollar for that Q&A!


    <!--sizeo:1--><span style="font-size:8pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo-->who said i dont like techical Q and A? its just promotion... <!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec-->
  • DelphicDelphic Join Date: 2006-11-02 Member: 58262Members
    Great post Max. Glad to see a couple of one's I was particularly interested in answered. I really enjoy these more technical posts (but the one's on your personal site go a bit over my head occasionally).

    Keep up the great work. :)
  • RhodriRhodri Join Date: 2003-06-21 Member: 17575Members
    Very interesting read, thanks for taking the time to answer so many questions Max.
  • TrCTrC Join Date: 2008-11-30 Member: 65612Members
    Thanks for your time, I would love to have similar regarding gameplay though.
  • persoperso Join Date: 2003-02-19 Member: 13740Members, WC 2013 - Supporter
    Thanks for answering all those questions! I loved to hear some more about the technical side. Also +1 for gameplay Q&A some time around. :)
  • NurEinMenschNurEinMensch Join Date: 2003-02-26 Member: 14056Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Max+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Max)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The engine is 356,074 lines of C++ code including comments and 184,146 lines without.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    WTB the audio book. :p
  • Deagle2Deagle2 Join Date: 2010-11-30 Member: 75360Members
    For atmospheric lighting, I openned ns2_junction in editor, added a spotlight behind the window, set it to atmospheric = true and then tried it ingame, it looks wonderful!
  • Amenox`dAmenox`d Join Date: 2010-12-23 Member: 75890Members
    i hate that, i'm amd user too... maybe i should run NS2 in my laptop, there i have GeForce. Maybe then i have a little more playabe game. ^__^
  • KoruyoKoruyo AUT Join Date: 2009-06-06 Member: 67724Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited February 2011
    <!--quoteo(post=1830778:date=Feb 9 2011, 02:37 PM:name=Amenox`d)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Amenox`d @ Feb 9 2011, 02:37 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1830778"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->i hate that, i'm amd user too... maybe i should run NS2 in my laptop, there i have GeForce. Maybe then i have a little more playabe game. ^__^<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    Oh, i just saw the smiley afterwards... ^^
  • endarendar Join Date: 2010-07-27 Member: 73256Members, Squad Five Blue
    I'm still not sure if he was being serious Koruyo.. If I was a betting man, I would say he was. (being serious).
  • peregrinusperegrinus Join Date: 2010-07-16 Member: 72445Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1830776:date=Feb 9 2011, 02:08 PM:name=Deagle2)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Deagle2 @ Feb 9 2011, 02:08 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1830776"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->For atmospheric lighting, I openned ns2_junction in editor, added a spotlight behind the window, set it to atmospheric = true and then tried it ingame, it looks wonderful!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    pics or it didnt happen
  • Deagle2Deagle2 Join Date: 2010-11-30 Member: 75360Members
    edited February 2011
    <!--quoteo(post=1830799:date=Feb 9 2011, 04:41 PM:name=peregrinus)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peregrinus @ Feb 9 2011, 04:41 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1830799"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->pics or it didnt happen<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    It did happen :
    <img src="http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/7015/sanstitrelm.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
    <img src="http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/876/sanstitre2je.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />

    It makes you feel like you're on Mars.
  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    Obviously the life support systems are set to high humidity there :P
  • peregrinusperegrinus Join Date: 2010-07-16 Member: 72445Members
    Just.....beautiful!
  • yimmasabiyimmasabi Join Date: 2006-11-03 Member: 58318Members
    edited February 2011
    Thank you Max and all others for those answers and effords.

    Great efford while typing "356,074 lines" and I cant imagine what efford u spend, long nights, holidays ... bla bla
    I would like to help to UWE about some codings if I can but my biggest code is only about "10k lines" with less comments, and totally coded by me, no packages no lines. So 356k is really huge if all lines are coded by you.

    Sometime I think I'm going to give you something about some sort of codes which may be helpfull.
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