game seems pretty stiff

PersianImm0rtalPersianImm0rtal Join Date: 2010-12-02 Member: 75414Members, Constellation, NS2 Map Tester
in NS2 General Discussion
<div class="IPBDescription">going to have any physics like movable crates and stuff?</div>So why cant any of the crates and stuff move around. The game should become more alive like Half Life 2, where crates and things move around due to explosion and ect.
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  • slayer20slayer20 Killed a man once. Join Date: 2007-12-13 Member: 63157Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    It'll most likely come later, near the end of beta.

    No real need for it right now.
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  • FroggerFrogger Join Date: 2010-07-31 Member: 73377Members
    edited January 2011
    I would imagine some physics related stuff will come as the original alpha tech demo/engine test thing let you shoot and push targets and some boxes, etc.
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  • NurEinMenschNurEinMensch Join Date: 2003-02-26 Member: 14056Members, Constellation
    I think at some point they said that they didn't want people getting stuck in crates etc.
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  • twilitebluetwiliteblue bug stalker Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13116Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    edited January 2011
    I'm imagining a marine, after exhausted of ammo, throwing crates at Skulks out of desperation; An Onos knocks a car into a marine, crushing him into pulp.
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  • FehaFeha Join Date: 2006-11-16 Member: 58633Members
    I doubt they will use it much, but I certainly hope it gets added. Then mappers can do fun maps with debris falling and killing players, or rine comm can place stuff like oildrums that rines can push down slopes (think center, rockdown) ;).
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  • PseudoKnightPseudoKnight Join Date: 2002-06-18 Member: 791Members
    edited January 2011
    Unless the gameplay is focused on physics interactions like in Half-Life 2, server-side physics objects just get in the way. Client-side physics objects, though pretty, waste CPU cycles for nothing, which at this time are highly valuable on both the server and client. So while we may see some client-side clutter in the distant future, I strongly discourage the use of server-side physics objects except when important to gameplay. I can't think of any instances where that would be the case -- just incidental leftovers like broken structures, which are currently being faded out anyway.
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  • RuntehRunteh Join Date: 2010-06-26 Member: 72163Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    I'd like to see the smaller stuff getting kicked around. Pop cans, wires, wrenches, etc.

    The larger stuff, not so much.
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  • Chris0132Chris0132 Join Date: 2009-07-25 Member: 68262Members
    The crates are sort of there for gameplay purposes to give people stuff to hide behind.

    If they end up getting shoved out of the way it's going to mess the maps up.
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  • RUben1RUben1 Join Date: 2010-11-24 Member: 75246Members
    Even more calculations for the server, I don't think the engine can handle it..
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  • KoruyoKoruyo AUT Join Date: 2009-06-06 Member: 67724Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited January 2011
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    Anything is possible when you dont write crap into a thread... I'm sitting on a Gorge.
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  • FehaFeha Join Date: 2006-11-16 Member: 58633Members
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    Most awesome post ever!
    Should be onos though :P

    Also you seen the parody on that commercial? Its a car at the end instead.
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  • HarimauHarimau Join Date: 2007-12-24 Member: 63250Members
    It was an onos, but he changed it to gorge, I don't know why.
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  • KoruyoKoruyo AUT Join Date: 2009-06-06 Member: 67724Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    It fits to my avatar :/
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  • MagnetoMagneto Join Date: 2010-12-22 Member: 75856Members
    I would like to see proper physics and a lot more interaction eventually, mappers need loads of useful entities and stuff.
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  • gorge.ousgorge.ous Join Date: 2011-01-07 Member: 76481Members
    I would like to see a stable running dedicated sever version fist, instead of adding more stuff to make it even more laggy ;)
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  • extolloextollo Ping Blip Join Date: 2010-07-16 Member: 72457Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1828114:date=Jan 28 2011, 10:07 AM:name=RUben1)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RUben1 @ Jan 28 2011, 10:07 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1828114"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Even more calculations for the server, I don't think the engine can handle it..<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I'm noticing a pattern here. :)
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  • LazerLazer Join Date: 2003-03-11 Member: 14406Members, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester
    I don't think there are plans for crates to be movable as stated by a few already, both for game play and performance reasons. I wouldn't be surprised if mappers get this option for props but I doubt heavy use would be encouraged. Given all the work that has gone into the dynamic lighting and environment however, I would assume that smaller objects will probably be done either client-side or with minimal server physics handling (let the client calculate where the shot object will land but have the server tell people what got hit and from what direction). Other than that too much physics on the server won't work, at least not well. It is already starting to become a problem given all the structures the server has to handle and adding more will just add extra stress.

    So allowing clients to shoot debris and other simple physics objects that won't get in their way will probably be in eventually if not quite soon, but larger physics objects that can give cover or get in the way of other players etc probably won't be in and is usually not included in most online games anyway.
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  • FocusedWolfFocusedWolf Join Date: 2005-01-09 Member: 34258Members
    +1 for adding physics to the game that makes use of hardware acceleration (real lava and water!... this engine should aspire to be more then hl1 + fancy lighting :P).
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  • aeroripperaeroripper Join Date: 2005-02-25 Member: 42471NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    Throwing around crates and barrels and stuff should be a no go since it'd screw up map balance. Aliens setting up traps, destroying elevators, and breaking/swinging lights should be explored. It'd be interesting to see smoke effects that react to the environment, but its not likely.

    It'll be interesting to see what direction they take with physics when the game gets fleshed out more.
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  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    edited January 2011
    We all know this will end up in Walls of Lame <img src="http://members.home.nl/m.borgman/ns-forum/smileys/biggrin.gif" border="0" class="linked-image" />
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  • spellman23spellman23 NS1 Theorycraft Expert Join Date: 2007-05-17 Member: 60920Members
    Screwing with map design is bad idea.
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  • Squeal_Like_A_PigSqueal_Like_A_Pig Janitor Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 66Members, Super Administrators, NS1 Playtester, NS2 Developer, Reinforced - Supporter, WC 2013 - Silver, Subnautica Developer
    Yeah, we would like to do some physics stuff for environment props. We actually have some of that working already, in the developer build, with barrels and some props that can be knocked over. But there are a lot of issues we'd need to address first, such as syncing server and client, so that if you move a crate on your end then it moves for everyone, and that can be expensive and tricky. And of course a lot of gameplay issues and bugs can come about from large objects getting moved around.

    We're hoping to at least use it in a limited fashion on smaller items, such as cables that get bumped and start swinging back and forth, or small bits of trash or small props that can get knocked around.

    --Cory
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  • Mr. EpicMr. Epic Join Date: 2003-08-01 Member: 18660Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1828284:date=Jan 28 2011, 08:17 PM:name=Squeal_Like_A_Pig)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Squeal_Like_A_Pig @ Jan 28 2011, 08:17 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1828284"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Yeah, we would like to do some physics stuff for environment props. We actually have some of that working already, in the developer build, with barrels and some props that can be knocked over. But there are a lot of issues we'd need to address first, such as syncing server and client, so that if you move a crate on your end then it moves for everyone, and that can be expensive and tricky. And of course a lot of gameplay issues and bugs can come about from large objects getting moved around.

    We're hoping to at least use it in a limited fashion on smaller items, such as cables that get bumped and start swinging back and forth, or small bits of trash or small props that can get knocked around.

    --Cory<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Cables waving or hatches/panels on wall modules flipping open would be awesome, especially if they were made or integrated with the props such that the effect was purely cosmetic. If they don't have changing collision attributes they could be completely a-sync and done by the client. Definitely put this one on a list!
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  • FehaFeha Join Date: 2006-11-16 Member: 58633Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1828284:date=Jan 29 2011, 02:17 AM:name=Squeal_Like_A_Pig)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Squeal_Like_A_Pig @ Jan 29 2011, 02:17 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1828284"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Yeah, we would like to do some physics stuff for environment props. We actually have some of that working already, in the developer build, with barrels and some props that can be knocked over. But there are a lot of issues we'd need to address first, such as syncing server and client, so that if you move a crate on your end then it moves for everyone, and that can be expensive and tricky. And of course a lot of gameplay issues and bugs can come about from large objects getting moved around.

    We're hoping to at least use it in a limited fashion on smaller items, such as cables that get bumped and start swinging back and forth, or small bits of trash or small props that can get knocked around.

    --Cory<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Wait, are you saying that their physics are/will be done clientside? Or are you only talking about prediction, where the server sometimes tell clients the real position and such of the entity, so they can correct themself to it?
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  • eisigereisiger Join Date: 2010-11-22 Member: 75159Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1828097:date=Jan 28 2011, 08:11 AM:name=twiliteblue)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (twiliteblue @ Jan 28 2011, 08:11 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1828097"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I'm imagining a marine, after exhausted of ammo, throwing crates at Skulks out of desperation; An Onos knocks a car into a marine, crushing him into pulp.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Why is there a car in space
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  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    <!--quoteo(post=1828337:date=Jan 29 2011, 04:28 AM:name=eisiger)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (eisiger @ Jan 29 2011, 04:28 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1828337"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Why is there a car in space<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Spaceballs?
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  • PersianImm0rtalPersianImm0rtal Join Date: 2010-12-02 Member: 75414Members, Constellation, NS2 Map Tester
    Why did the take a car to the moon? err...that was a rover i think... same difference... Anyways I am excited to see lil props with physics atleast.
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