Talk/guessing about upgrades

Price · January 2011

please keep in mind this is a thread about a discussion about guessing the upgrades and general about the aliens.


Guessing about the Onos, you know its not in the beta,
Information for you (from code):
he will have 3 weapons...or not ;) :
- Gore
- BoneShield
- Stomp
and he is cheap, which is very nice!
OnosHealth = 700
OnosArmor = 600
Onoscost = 30


TALK
lets take a look at the upgrades for the aliens
<div class='codetop'>CODE</div><div class='codemain'>======= Copyright Â© 2003-2010, Unknown Worlds Entertainment, Inc. All rights reserved. =======

LeapResearchCost = known, is the leaping of the skulk
BloodThirstResearchCost = 5 ?
FeedResearchCost = 5 ?
CarapaceResearchCost = 5 (more health and armor for aliens? like in ns1)

CorpulenceResearchCost = 5 (huh? bigger aliens?)
BacteriaResearchCost = 5 (sounds like a pain for marines;) )

AdrenalineResearchCost = 5 (more attack energy? like in ns1)
PiercingResearchCost = 5 (sounds good, more damage? or maybe for exo?)

FeintResearchCost = 5 (sounds very interesting)
SapResearchCost = 5 (this too)

BoneShieldResearchCost = 5 (onos ability)
StompResearchCost = 5 (onos ability)</div>

So whats your about the upgrades or are these "future" attacks?

Koruyo · January 2011

LeapResearchCost = known, is the leaping of the skulk
BloodThirstResearchCost = 5 ?  I guess its something like catalyst for aliens
FeedResearchCost = 5 ?  Eat corpses, like medpacks
CarapaceResearchCost = 5 (more health and armor for aliens? like in ns1) Agree

CorpulenceResearchCost = 5 (huh? bigger aliens?) Dunno
BacteriaResearchCost = 5 (sounds like a pain for marines;) ) Dunno

AdrenalineResearchCost = 5 (more attack energy? like in ns1) Agree
PiercingResearchCost = 5 (sounds good, more damage? or maybe for exo?) bypass/increased dmg against armor, i guess lerk spikes.

FeintResearchCost = 5 (sounds very interesting) Dunno
SapResearchCost = 5 (this too) A stun? Stealth ninja fade?

BoneShieldResearchCost = 5 (onos ability) Agree
StompResearchCost = 5 (onos ability) Another stun...

ITs not in the game anymore, but the counterpart to sensory chamber(dunno the name anymore) had some Ghost AI Aliens(you could spawn invisible ones in dev mode) -> so you could trick marines with fake units like in RUSE.

Price · January 2011

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Koruyo @ Jan 18 2011, 01:08 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1825130"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'>LeapResearchCost = known, is the leaping of the skulk
BloodThirstResearchCost = 5 ?  I guess its something like catalyst for aliens
FeedResearchCost = 5 ?  Eat corpses, like medpacks
CarapaceResearchCost = 5 (more health and armor for aliens? like in ns1) Agree

CorpulenceResearchCost = 5 (huh? bigger aliens?) Dunno
BacteriaResearchCost = 5 (sounds like a pain for marines;) ) Dunno

AdrenalineResearchCost = 5 (more attack energy? like in ns1) Agree
PiercingResearchCost = 5 (sounds good, more damage? or maybe for exo?) bypass/increased dmg against armor, i guess lerk spikes.

FeintResearchCost = 5 (sounds very interesting) Dunno
SapResearchCost = 5 (this too) A stun? Stealth ninja fade?

BoneShieldResearchCost = 5 (onos ability) Agree
StompResearchCost = 5 (onos ability) Another stun...

ITs not in the game anymore, but the counterpart to sensory chamber(dunno the name anymore) had some Ghost AI Aliens(you could spawn invisible ones in dev mode) -> so you could trick marines with fake units like in RUSE.</div>
good ideas but eating the corpses, hmm they disapear very fast and have some weird ragdoll, im not sure if this will be that upgrade.
Piercing is with adrenaline so i guess its not only for the lerk, its like focus i guess.

Enceladus · January 2011

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Koruyo @ Jan 18 2011, 01:08 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1825130"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'>LeapResearchCost = known, is the leaping of the skulk
BloodThirstResearchCost = 5 ?  I guess its something like catalyst for aliens
FeedResearchCost = 5 ?  Eat corpses, like medpacks
CarapaceResearchCost = 5 (more health and armor for aliens? like in ns1) Agree

CorpulenceResearchCost = 5 (huh? bigger aliens?) Dunno
BacteriaResearchCost = 5 (sounds like a pain for marines;) ) Dunno

AdrenalineResearchCost = 5 (more attack energy? like in ns1) Agree
PiercingResearchCost = 5 (sounds good, more damage? or maybe for exo?) bypass/increased dmg against armor, i guess lerk spikes.

FeintResearchCost = 5 (sounds very interesting) Dunno
SapResearchCost = 5 (this too) A stun? Stealth ninja fade?

BoneShieldResearchCost = 5 (onos ability) Agree
StompResearchCost = 5 (onos ability) Another stun...

ITs not in the game anymore, but the counterpart to sensory chamber(dunno the name anymore) had some Ghost AI Aliens(you could spawn invisible ones in dev mode) -> so you could trick marines with fake units like in RUSE.</div>

The upgrades listed are actually assigned to their specific alien class in game. just hover over the upgrade buttons in the evolve menu :)

Leap, Bloodthirst, Feed and Carapace are upgrades for the Skulk, I'd guess Bloodthirst more damage but less life, feed dunno, carapace more armor

Bacteria and Corpulence are Gorge upgrades, Bacteria mabye as an ability to spread dynamic infestation, and corpulence.. become the fatty and get less damage, like a tutle shell? no idea

adrenaline and piercing are lerk upgrades, adrenaline more energy and piercing probably armor piercing

Feint and Sap are Fade upgrades, so.. feint.. maybe sawn a double of you and sap, well stun, or weakening a marine somehow

bonehield and stomp as onos upgrades seem pretty obvious

Kouji_San · January 2011

Most info about the Khaara you'd even need. Sure it's not entirely official, but still close to what it might indeed be :P

<a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/wiki/index.php/Khaara" target="_blank">http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/wiki/index.php/Khaara</a>

PsiWarp · January 2011

LeapResearchCost = known, is the leaping of the skulk
BloodThirstResearchCost = 5 ? Not sure, there were some ideas thrown around after Whip reveal
FeedResearchCost = 5 ? Yeah, health from corpses/ragdolls
CarapaceResearchCost = 5 (more health and armor for aliens? like in ns1) Yup

CorpulenceResearchCost = 5 (huh? bigger aliens?) Probably bigger adrenaline pool for Gorge
BacteriaResearchCost = 5 (sounds like a pain for marines;) ) Upgraded Heal Spray, bigger area and/or more health per spray?

AdrenalineResearchCost = 5 (more attack energy? like in ns1) Yup, for Lerky.
PiercingResearchCost = 5 (sounds good, more damage? or maybe for exo?) Stronger snipe spikes~

FeintResearchCost = 5 (sounds very interesting) Maybe quieter Blink?
SapResearchCost = 5 (this too) A stun? No idea here.

BoneShieldResearchCost = 5 (onos ability) Blocks frontal damage on crouch
StompResearchCost = 5 (onos ability) Same ol' Stomp :)

Zek · January 2011

Maybe Feint could allow you to vanish for a second as if blinking, but without actually going anywhere?

Harimau · January 2011

Piercing is a 40% damage upgrade to lerk spikes. Other than that, they haven't implemented anything else. Maybe down the track they might implement an armour-bypassing piercing damage type (that would ###### with exos completely).

Not an upgrade, but a possible server option... the Darwin game mode.

<div class='codetop'>CODE</div><div class='codemain'>Ability.lua
function Ability:OnPrimaryAttack(player)
...
 // Check energy cost
 local energyCost = self:GetEnergyCost(player)
 // No energy cost in Darwin mode
 if(Server and GetGamerules():GetDarwinMode()) then
 energyCost = 0
 end
...
end

ClipWeapon.lua
function ClipWeapon:OnPrimaryAttack(player)
...
 // Don't decrement ammo in Darwin mode
 if(not Server or not GetGamerules():GetDarwinMode()) then
 self.clip = self.clip - 1
 end
...
end</div>
No energy and no ammo usage.

SpaZ · January 2011

Feed could also be some kind of life steal upgrade. Regain a bit of health when munching down a marine instead of eating the corpse/ragdol?

RTV · January 2011

Will this be real?
This sounds so awesome, i can not belive this.
The Chambers of Natural Selection 2.
<a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/wiki/index.php/Khaara" target="_blank">http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/wiki/index.php/Khaara</a>

Shade
Disorient

Enemy structures and players flicker in and out when in range of Shade, making it hard for Commander and team-mates to be able to support each other. Extreme reverb sounds for enemies (and slight reverb sounds for friendlies) enhance the effect.

Cloak
A triggered ability that instantly cloaks self and all enemy structures and aliens in range for a short time. Mutes or changes sounds too? Cleverly used, this would ideally allow a team to get a stealth hive built. Allows players to stay cloaked for awhile, until they attack (even if they move out of range - great for getting by sentries).

Phantasm
Allows Commander to create fake Fade, Onos, Hive (and possibly ammo/medpacks). They can be pathed around and used to create tactical distractions or divert forces elsewhere.


Shift
Recall
Ability that lets players jump to nearest structure (or hive) under attack (cooldown of a few seconds)

Energize
Triggered ability that gives energy to nearby players and structures

Echo
Targeted ability that lets Commander move a structure or drifter elsewhere on the map (even a hive or harvester).


This is creative, if this will be true, i will play day and night aliens :)

For the lerk, one ability is not in

# Roost

* When holding the jump key near a ceiling, the Lerk will flip upside down and roost there. When roosting, the view is upside-down, allowing the Lerk to spike and spore from above. This ability is not currently implemented (as of Build 160).

For the onos it says
* Gore
o A melee attack where the Onos slams his head into a target and fling them around, a skilled player can immobilise several opponents at once for a few seconds.
* Bone Shield
o Head Blades extend out from the Onos' head, so when crouched down it protects the rest of his body from frontal attack taking no damage.
* Stomp
o Can be used to send out a shockwave that temporarily disables structures that the Marine commander puts down.

Quovatis · January 2011

The NS2 wiki isn't magic. All the info there is just stuff the dev team has stated or was found in the lua files. Just because an ability description is there doesn't mean that's exactly how it's going to work, as it hasn't been coded yet.

Price · January 2011

In my Mind it would be very cool, good wikipage!

@Quovatis pfff don't be a poor sport!
I search the code and these abilitys in the code why should they put it in, if its not in in later versions?

<div class='codetop'>CODE</div><div class='codemain'>======= Copyright Â© 2003-2010, Unknown Worlds Entertainment, Inc. All rights reserved. =======

Shade.lua:35: Shade.kBlindEffect = PrecacheAsset("cinematics/alien/shade/blind.cinematic")
Shade.lua:36: Shade.kGlowEffect = PrecacheAsset("cinematics/alien/shade/glow.cinematic")
Shade.lua:37: Shade.kPhantasmEffect = PrecacheAsset("cinematics/alien/shade/phantasm.cinematic")
Shade.lua:33: Shade.kIdleSoundEffect = PrecacheAsset("sound/ns2.fev/alien/structures/shade/idle")
and
Shift.lua:32: Shift.kEchoEffect = PrecacheAsset("cinematics/alien/shift/echo.cinematic")
Shift.lua:33: Shift.kEnergizeEffect = PrecacheAsset("cinematics/alien/shift/energize.cinematic")
Shift.lua:34: Shift.kEnergizeSmallTargetEffect = PrecacheAsset("cinematics/alien/shift/energize_small.cinematic")
Shift.lua:35: Shift.kEnergizeLargeTargetEffect = PrecacheAsset("cinematics/alien/shift/energize_large.cinematic")
Shift.lua:26: Shift.kEchoSoundEffect = PrecacheAsset("sound/ns2.fev/alien/structures/shift/echo")
Shift.lua:27: Shift.kEnergizeSoundEffect = PrecacheAsset("sound/ns2.fev/alien/structures/shift/energize")
Shift.lua:28: Shift.kEnergizeTargetSoundEffect = PrecacheAsset("sound/ns2.fev/alien/structures/shift/energize_target")
Shift.lua:29: Shift.kIdleSoundEffect = PrecacheAsset("sound/ns2.fev/alien/structures/shift/idle")
Shift.lua:30: //Shift.kRecallSoundEffect = PrecacheAsset("sound/ns2.fev/alien/structures/shift/recall")</div>

Quovatis · January 2011

The sounds, and cinematics may be done, but the texture model of the shift and shade as well as their abilities are not coded yet. Be patient.

It will be funny when a commander beacons all the marines home when he sees 5 onos enter marine start, only to discover they were all fake. Or path a Gorge around and watch the marines chase the fake. Hopefully there is some counter to that, like if the commander pings the area, all the fake lifeforms go away.

BTW- The lerk roost ability was in some of the early alpha versions, but it was taken out because it was too buggy. They still want to implement it, however.

Price · January 2011

They said the chamber works like in ns1, so its confusing with these new effects.
Be patient :P

peregrinus · January 2011

Sap sounds like it would let the Fade steal marine's health when it lands a hit.

twiliteblue · January 2011

Or Sap could let the Fade sabotage, and disable buildings, much like the TF2's Spy sapper. :P

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