Modularity VS. SE Black Armor?

MidoMido Join Date: 2004-04-05 Member: 27742Members
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<div class="IPBDescription">Can't mods just apply it</div>I'm wondering if my Super Special Black Armor will lose it's uniqueness when/if server mods are able to change player models/textures.

I WANNA BE SPECIAL
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  • sondersonder Join Date: 2007-09-12 Member: 62266Members
    Special like 98% of everyone else? :P
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  • KompatriotKompatriot Join Date: 2010-01-14 Member: 70144Members
    They'll probably try to lock it some way, but unless it changes gameplay (which it shouldn't, and even then probably won't be un-modable), I expect it to be modded in quickly.

    Even if you can't gain access to the files, a good artist will still be able to just copy it visually.
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  • MidoMido Join Date: 2004-04-05 Member: 27742Members
    edited January 2010
    <!--quoteo(post=1747432:date=Jan 15 2010, 11:10 AM:name=Kompatriot)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kompatriot @ Jan 15 2010, 11:10 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1747432"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->They'll probably try to lock it some way, but unless it changes gameplay (which it shouldn't, and even then probably won't be un-modable), I expect it to be modded in quickly.

    Even if you can't gain access to the files, a good artist will still be able to just copy it visually.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    B-B-B-BUT I PAYED $40 FOR THAT ARMOR

    Though honestly the $40 was more for the countless hours I spent on NS1. I just wanted to pose this question to the team and see what they have to say, since I can imagine people might be pissed when they join a server and everyone is in black armor.
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  • GaussWaffleGaussWaffle Join Date: 2008-02-22 Member: 63708Members
    Players who complain about it to UWE can opt for the "rainbow techno" armor that sticks out like a sore thumb to everyone, including kharaa. I'm fairly sure most player won't change their armor to that
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  • MidoMido Join Date: 2004-04-05 Member: 27742Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1747438:date=Jan 15 2010, 11:51 AM:name=GaussWaffle)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GaussWaffle @ Jan 15 2010, 11:51 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1747438"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Players who complain about it to UWE can opt for the "rainbow techno" armor that sticks out like a sore thumb to everyone, including kharaa. I'm fairly sure most player won't change their armor to that<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I... I would die to have rainbow techno armor. If I give the NS2 devs another $40 you think they will let me have rainbow techno armor?
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  • sherpasherpa stopcommandermode Join Date: 2006-11-04 Member: 58338Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1747428:date=Jan 15 2010, 03:34 PM:name=Mido)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mido @ Jan 15 2010, 03:34 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1747428"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I'm wondering if my Super Special Black Armor will lose it's uniqueness when/if server mods are able to change player models/textures.

    I WANNA BE SPECIAL<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Wasn't 90% of pre-orders special edition?

    If you want to be "special" at this point you'd play in the default armour.
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  • linfosomalinfosoma Join Date: 2009-05-28 Member: 67523Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1747440:date=Jan 15 2010, 01:57 PM:name=sherpa)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sherpa @ Jan 15 2010, 01:57 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1747440"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Wasn't 90% of pre-orders special edition?

    If you want to be "special" at this point you'd play in the default armour.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    lol! I was about to say the same thing!
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  • pSyk0mAnpSyk0mAn Nerdish by Nature Germany Join Date: 2003-08-07 Member: 19166Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Silver, NS2 Community Developer
    Once the female marine is finished and custom nude models come in, black armor will be special again..
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  • PrivatePrivate Join Date: 2007-06-10 Member: 61204Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1747439:date=Jan 15 2010, 05:56 PM:name=Mido)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mido @ Jan 15 2010, 05:56 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1747439"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I... I would die to have rainbow techno armor. If I give the NS2 devs another $40 you think they will let me have rainbow techno armor?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    My thoughts exactly! I'd pay another hundred bucks for pink - I'd even let them keep their eternal gratitude!

    Also - there's some serious technical problems in actually protecting the black armor while supplying a highly modifiable game. I think it's somewhere between outright impossible and just not worth the effort.
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  • WhiteZeroWhiteZero That Guy Join Date: 2004-06-24 Member: 29511Members, Constellation
    edited January 2010
    Depending on how content delivery works in-game, even if you MODed in your own black armor, probably no one else would see it unless they downloaded the same armor mod you have.
    Besides, if they tried to exactly copy the Special Black Armor with a MOD, I believe that would be a copyright violation.
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  • MidoMido Join Date: 2004-04-05 Member: 27742Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1747447:date=Jan 15 2010, 12:56 PM:name=WhiteZero)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (WhiteZero @ Jan 15 2010, 12:56 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1747447"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Depending on how content delivery works in-game, even if you MODed in your own black armor, probably no one else would see it unless they downloaded the same armor mod you have.
    Besides, if they tried to exactly copy the Special Black Armor with a MOD, I believe that would be a copyright violation.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Well my example scenario was a serverside mod, much like you can join a CS server and everyone is a zombie model.
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  • KesterKester Join Date: 2004-02-21 Member: 26770Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1747440:date=Jan 15 2010, 04:57 PM:name=sherpa)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sherpa @ Jan 15 2010, 04:57 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1747440"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Wasn't 90% of pre-orders special edition?

    If you want to be "special" at this point you'd play in the default armour.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    "at this point" being the operative words.
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  • monopolowamonopolowa Join Date: 2004-05-23 Member: 28839Members
    edited January 2010
    someone ask for rainbow-techno armor?

    <a href="http://img190.imageshack.us/i/technicolordreamarmor.jpg/" target="_blank"><img src="http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/6517/technicolordreamarmor.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /></a>


    /me has too much free time
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  • Draco_2kDraco_2k Evil Genius Join Date: 2009-12-09 Member: 69546Members
    As someone with minor experience with Lua modding, I can't see any possible reason player models won't be moddable. We'll probably be seeing things like this:

    <!--quoteo(post=1747504:date=Jan 16 2010, 06:21 AM:name=monopolowa)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (monopolowa @ Jan 16 2010, 06:21 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1747504"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><a href="http://img190.imageshack.us/i/technicolordreamarmor.jpg/" target="_blank"><img src="http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/6517/technicolordreamarmor.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /></a><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    In absolutely no time at all. Hell, if someone else doesn't do it, I will. I'm personally looking forward to my black n' red striped armour.

    However, by virtue of simple logic, SE owners will still have monopoly over black armour in Vanilla servers.
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  • AlaskaAlaska Join Date: 2006-10-11 Member: 58067Members
    But I don't think it will be possible to change models clientside easily... Mods will have to be determined serverside. Server says what models to use and clients have to follow that order.

    If it wasn't that way every marine would have shiny, spikey alien models...
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  • AsranielAsraniel Join Date: 2002-06-03 Member: 724Members, Playtest Lead, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester, Retired Community Developer
    in NS1 i'm pretty sure you could mod the server to give const icons to everybody. but i have never seen it, so i doubt that anybody would create a mod to give black armor to everybody
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  • InkInk Join Date: 2009-08-15 Member: 68499Members
    black armor will be special after about 1 month the game is out because then a lot more people will see there friends play it and be like wow this game really does kickass. and buy it.
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  • KarrdeKarrde Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16264Members
    If someone makes a rainbow techno armor model, I will totally use that :P Take it one step further and make rainbow techno kharaa. Then make KOTH_Rainbow for NS2 :P
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  • AhnteisAhnteis teh Bob Join Date: 2002-10-02 Member: 1405Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Then you, the players, will say, "This server doesn't support the NS2 team. I think I'll play on a different server."
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  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    The game will likely still be modable. Normal armor is armor_model_1, black armor is armor_model_2 or whatever. You can't just make your armor black server side from your client, and if a server moderator wants to change the settings they have to change both models.

    You STILL have special status. On a default server you will have black armor and the other dudes will have green, but on Mr. Happies special server, you may be Luigi, and all the other dudes are mario. There are still 2 distinct model sets, one for collectors pack buyers and one for standard purchasers, but if it's anything like half life, server moderators will have free reign to manipulate those two distinct sets however they want.
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  • TemphageTemphage Join Date: 2009-10-28 Member: 69158Members
    edited January 2010
    Point of note here - If you mod in your own custom armor.... nobody but you can see it anyway, thereby defeating the point.

    EDIT: Swiftspear got it.
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  • Renegade.Renegade. Join Date: 2003-01-15 Member: 12313Members, Constellation
    <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/index.php?showtopic=108431" target="_blank">+1 to my predictions on vanity</a>
    as for blackarmour, there's a reason for the "cl" in "cl_forcemodels", anything less is hats.
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  • MidoMido Join Date: 2004-04-05 Member: 27742Members
    Well, you guys have inspired me. I'm going to host a server that changes the models of all the "special" people, like myself, to rainbow armor, same with khaara.
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  • VonDoomVonDoom Knee deep in the latency Join Date: 2009-10-08 Member: 68989Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    I wish the black armor had spikes for that extra cold grimness
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  • MidoMido Join Date: 2004-04-05 Member: 27742Members
    edited January 2010
    <!--quoteo(post=1747599:date=Jan 16 2010, 06:07 PM:name=VonDoom)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VonDoom @ Jan 16 2010, 06:07 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1747599"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I wish the black armor had spikes for that extra cold grimness<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Yeah man, and gorge-skulls on the shoulders.

    EDIT: with blood running down it
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  • TemphageTemphage Join Date: 2009-10-28 Member: 69158Members
    And a Margarittaville mixer.
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  • FocusedWolfFocusedWolf Join Date: 2005-01-09 Member: 34258Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1747579:date=Jan 16 2010, 03:12 PM:name=Temphage)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Temphage @ Jan 16 2010, 03:12 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1747579"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Point of note here - If you mod in your own custom armor.... nobody but you can see it anyway, thereby defeating the point.

    EDIT: Swiftspear got it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Hmm... In NS1 i replaced many player, structure, and weapon models to make the game look better. If the black armor is better, then i'll just make it so all the marines look like their wearing it. I really don't care what other players see on their monitors. In all likely hood i'd jump on installing the first 3rd party made-from-scratch player model to replace all marines cause i don't like the current model. Maybe if all marines had the black crysis armor!!! :P
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