Realistic Sprinting
Sirot
Join Date: 2006-12-03 Member: 58851Members
Join Date: 2006-12-03 Member: 58851Members
Humans are not especially graceful creatures compared to our four-legged rivals. This trait is never with one exception is never properly simulated in games which results in players being able to turn on a dime when running full speed. That one exception being the Gears of War series where sprinting reduces the turning speed of the player significantly. I would like NS2 to become another exception.
As a contrast to the superior four-legged mobility of the aliens (in particular, the skulk), I would like the Marine sprinting ability (normal walking/running is unaffected) to be sort of clumsy. When sprinting, the marine lowers his weapon, cannot strafe and increases his movement speed as in any other game. However, in addition sprint will bestow these additional properties:
1. While sprinting, the player cannot rapidly change direction without losing significant speed. The marine needs to make smooth turns to maintain a fast speed. This is implemented by there being cumulative speed penalty for moving the mouse on the horizontal plane (as in moving the mouse to change direction of movement).
2. When ending the sprint, momentum is kept and the marine will need to decelerate for a couple of seconds (shorter if the marine was moving slower). This means the marine cannot stop at the drop of a dime and runs the risk into walls into walls or falling off ledges if not careful.
It's sort of a weird idea but I think it was way of adding depth and immersion to the game. It also introduces mechanics that would be normally seen in racing games or games that have their protagonist ride on horseback (most notable, shadow of the colossus). A marine to fully take advantage of the ability to run away from certain death, needs to be able take the most optimal route in a situation while avoiding obstacles (like skulks and other marines).
As a contrast to the superior four-legged mobility of the aliens (in particular, the skulk), I would like the Marine sprinting ability (normal walking/running is unaffected) to be sort of clumsy. When sprinting, the marine lowers his weapon, cannot strafe and increases his movement speed as in any other game. However, in addition sprint will bestow these additional properties:
1. While sprinting, the player cannot rapidly change direction without losing significant speed. The marine needs to make smooth turns to maintain a fast speed. This is implemented by there being cumulative speed penalty for moving the mouse on the horizontal plane (as in moving the mouse to change direction of movement).
2. When ending the sprint, momentum is kept and the marine will need to decelerate for a couple of seconds (shorter if the marine was moving slower). This means the marine cannot stop at the drop of a dime and runs the risk into walls into walls or falling off ledges if not careful.
It's sort of a weird idea but I think it was way of adding depth and immersion to the game. It also introduces mechanics that would be normally seen in racing games or games that have their protagonist ride on horseback (most notable, shadow of the colossus). A marine to fully take advantage of the ability to run away from certain death, needs to be able take the most optimal route in a situation while avoiding obstacles (like skulks and other marines).
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Additionally, what I've always hated with most games is that we can't wall dodge or jump from the wall. If I'm running, shouldn't I be able to jump on the corner to avoid a leaping Skulk? All I want is some simple dodging mechanism - nothing over the top like UT. Also, I may be wrong, but don't you hold your weapon close to you so that the barrel is pointing out beside you, instead of putting it down? And we should be able to run with our guns out but with a speed penalty.
Never forget about consequences. This would make marines slower, more predictable and easier to hit.
I may surprise you. In some ways, humans are much more physically capable than great majority of animals. Humans are among very best long distance runners, and long distance travelers in general.
Did you know you can hunt down a kangaroo by following it for whole day on foot ? You don't even need to run. Walking is enough. Once the sun sets, you and kangaroo go to sleep. In the morning, kangaroo has terrible <i>Delayed onset muscle soreness (muscle fever)</i> and can barely move. You walk up to it and hit it with a big stick.
And according to wikipedia...
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<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistence_hunting" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistence_hunting</a>
SOCOM Confrontation, ArmA (1+2)? I know there are more, but those were a couple I thought of off the top of my head. It's not unique to that series, that's for sure.
"Also, I may be wrong, but don't you hold your weapon close to you so that the barrel is pointing out beside you, instead of putting it down?"
Most major military organizations of the world teach the walk - gun forward, run - gun down style. The reason is that you can very quickly bring up a gun, and if it's in line with your shoulders, it wont knock your aim off. Aiming to the side means you have to 'swing' the weapon, knocking off your aim as well as taking up a huge amount of space (that side-to-side running thing that most shooters do is awful - imagine trying to go through a doorway when you're hurling your gun left-to-right like that.)
I think that these are nice ideas, for the most part, but require a tonne of resources to impliment: Can you imagine the processing power required to check if 32 different characters are transitioning from full-sprint to jump to the side, and the fact that physics are effecting how all this is occuring?
Just throwing it out there, thats probably the worst/stupidest hunting tactic I have ever heard
Sprint isn't the worst case scenario in any way, but I still find it difficult to agree with any kind of realistic movement restrictions and rulesets. I guess I'll wait for the alpha and see how the game goes. After seeing the rough scetch of UWE's plan for NS2 in alpha, I might actually think this suits the game. Right now I've got no clue, even sprinting feels so different from NS1.
Not when you don't have a gun, prehistoric man needed some way to catch animals that were very alert to their presence, running them down seemed to work well. I'll admit I didn't know humans were better distance runners till about 5 minutes ago.
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I believe you, I can make a very sharp turn while running full sprint, maybe i'm a natural because I remember always being able to in elementary when we were playing tag or what not.
I believe you, I can make a very sharp turn while running full sprint, maybe i'm a natural because I remember always being able to in elementary when we were playing tag or what not.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's called a juke. its used in football
Sounds really annoying. If you impair the sprint a bit at least you can avoid this by simply not sprinting.
A simple "Sprint bar" system would be OK, but the extra momentum things and turning tend to get in the way unless you do them really well or are trying to make a game where you're loaded with a ton of armor/equipment in a "realistic" combat environment.
Well you can avoid it by continuing to strafe and not just doing a quick fake.
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An argument for having realistic movement in a non-realism focused game is that what you think should happen actually happens. The player's mental model, which they have from real world experience, matches the design, which means the challenge isn't in figuring out how the movement code works and all its quirks, the challenge is in figuring out the enemy player.
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They seem to be going in this direction, what with the motion capture and SWAT/Navy Seal member and everything.