Possible new classic pub server
Exile331
Join Date: 2006-12-30 Member: 59331Members
Join Date: 2006-12-30 Member: 59331Members
<div class="IPBDescription">thoughts?</div>bl1tz and I are thinking of buying a 20man public Chicago server due to the fact that there are only 2 classic servers that still run today. 1 of which is G4B2S, which it seems 99% of the skilled community is banned from, and the other is the <BAD> server. no pun intended.
We are simply wondering if there is anyone out there that would play on our classic-only server where there are no homo admins and you can actually play a good game of NS for once.
a "yes, i'd possibly play there" or a "no, i wouldnt play there." will suffice.
restating the fact that NS is dead/dying wont do anybody any good. in a sense this will help bring back the community of talented players.
cant tell you the number of times I want to play NS but there are no servers to play on, so i dont.
Thanks!
Exile @ #betterthanyou
We are simply wondering if there is anyone out there that would play on our classic-only server where there are no homo admins and you can actually play a good game of NS for once.
a "yes, i'd possibly play there" or a "no, i wouldnt play there." will suffice.
restating the fact that NS is dead/dying wont do anybody any good. in a sense this will help bring back the community of talented players.
cant tell you the number of times I want to play NS but there are no servers to play on, so i dont.
Thanks!
Exile @ #betterthanyou
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(This is a crap place to find support)
I would even do it without wearing pants.
However this is not what the topic is about. I have seen more epic games than I can count on both of our servers. I just don't understand why you would focus you effort on starting another server when everyone could focus on what is available right now. Why start up something new that nobody knows about and you will have to sit there and get it populated.
If anyone has any suggestion on how to make our server better we are always open to them.
I wish they would put their money where their mouth is, start their pro server and fill it up with all the people who were banned by us homo admins.
Do it. Please.
However this is not what the topic is about. I have seen more epic games than I can count on both of our servers. I just don't understand why you would focus you effort on starting another server when everyone could focus on what is available right now. Why start up something new that nobody knows about and you will have to sit there and get it populated.
If anyone has any suggestion on how to make our server better we are always open to them.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't mind playing on the <BAD> server for the most part. I wouldn't play there so much if I did. Of course I'm on the stacker list which can be frustrating at times because other players on the stacker list will often go marines and I will constantly have to play alien game after game. Playing aliens 15v15 is much harder than it seems. You have to rely on marines being bad because the res distribution between 15 aliens on 3/4 nodes is not ideal. The lack of good early lerks on the server makes it harder to cover res nodes and crucial parts of the map when there are no fades. Also, frequently I find myself to be the only one fading on a team of 15 when there should be at least two.
I have argued with Exile about getting a new server - it will cost money and also there is no guarantee that it people will play in it. He believes that if we are able to establish a server like this, then more competitive players will play. That is why he made this post to see the results.
The problem with NS in America is this: There are too few players left, and of the few players left there are two different kind of people who play this game. There are the kind who are competitive and want to win even in pubs, and then they are the kind of players who just play for fun and don't mind whether they win or lose. There are constant arguments of strategies between these two types of players. A competitive player will try to win the game in the most efficient way possible, and a pubber may take a more "fun" strategy to win. As the majority of the people who play this game still are pubbers, this leaves the competitive people with no where to play the game the way they want to play it and against their own relative skill level. It was never the <BAD> server's fault, it's just that there is no where else to go now.
The <BAD> server does a pretty good job of balancing these two kinds of players - that's why they created the stacker plug in to make things more even and not just skilled players vs those who aren't skilled.
Anyways, the fact of the matter is that competitive NS in America is dead and I have to go to Europe to play competitive NS with 200 ping. Even when I finally reach down to this level of desperation to play this game at that level, I can hardly play any matches due to time differences in the different continents.
I've decided to play in what servers I'm not banned from until NS2 comes out. If this thread has positive feedback, I will probably help Exile buy a server. If it doesn't, (which seems to be the way things are heading now) I won't. Simple. If Exile buys a server and manages to populate it even with poor showing from here, then my hat is off to him.
EDIT: I'm pretty grateful that the <BAD> server hasn't banned me yet due to the amount of bickering I do. =p
If anyone has any suggestion on how to make our server better we are always open to them.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->Yeah, It will be pretty hard building up an unknown server at this point. It will have a small run I'm sure. Good luck if you end up doing it.
I just don't see how hard it is to follow a few simple rules and get along with people on our server. There is always a good reason for a ban with proof, and even in most cases you will be given another chance. If you have a problem or suggestion for our server, get a hold of me and I'll make sure your voice is heard, and do what I can.<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
I wish they would put their money where their mouth is, start their pro server and fill it up with all the people who were banned by us homo admins.
Do it. Please.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Put their money where their mouth is? The vote clearly indicates that a large majority thinks it wouldn't work and therefore isn't worth trying. Way to fail at poorly veiled flame, dude.
On topic:
frG set up a public server for competitive players recently, which has been surprisingly popular. Most of the time (before everyone starts getting PCWs/scrims) it's almost impossible to get in because so many are queued up to join. That's in Europe though and our community is quite a bit bigger than yours.
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On topic:
frG set up a public server for competitive players recently, which has been surprisingly popular. Most of the time (before everyone starts getting PCWs/scrims) it's almost impossible to get in because so many are queued up to join. That's in Europe though and our community is quite a bit bigger than yours.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you look at that thread, the question is: "Is starting a competitive/vet server a retarded idea?" and 68% said no, its not a retarded idea, it can work. Unfortunately you've read it wrong. So it seems that this could work.
And about the <BAD> server, i never really knocked you, i said no pun intended meaning you guys werent bad. and the "homo admins" refer to the ban-happy G4B2S admins who ban just because they can. I like the BAD server, but its a little big and either hard to get into, on CO maps, or empty :-/ A smaller 10 on 10 of potentially more competition is what I'm looking for.
I enjoy the <BAD> server, theres nothing wrong, im just saying its the ONLY server to play on in the US
We got banned over something we didn't do.
Actually it isn't a flame or a thought that it wouldn't work. It's frustration with the competitive level players talking about creating their own server time and time again but never doing it so they come to our servers to knock around the pub players.
I think Bl1tz stated the problem pretty well. I would love to see a pro player server go online so the pro players would have somewhere else to go and I could do more playing NS and less babysitting the server.
Actually it's pretty funny. I complain about someone else not reading properly and then it turns out I was the one who misread "can" as "can't". Way to fail at poorly veiled flame. :\
But its your money, feel free to do what you wish.
i miss seeing you guys play
For the Euro scene, the more Classic servers, the merrier. We have a healthy community with Able and YO almost always full during the evenings and weekends. I was playing on YO until 4am in the morning the other week. Frg's server, if done well, has a good chance of getting populated. If you want to keep out the rank beginners just password it during peak times and keep the password on the website or something, kicking newbies is unfair really.
Anyway, I can't believe that the Euro scene for NS is bigger than the US scene. I'm totally amazed by this if it's true.
Pretty sure there are no siegemaps on the server anymore. It was a just weird idea, to help fill the server, that was quickly abandoned for the reasons you mentioned.
I think it works quite fine now. I haven't seen anyone being kicked, but the average skill level is way over the usual servers. I guess competetive admins, quite good reg and advertising on the ensl site have worked out.
Trash talking exists in every competitive game. It's just the nature of the beast. CS has about 100 times the trash talk that NS ever had, and they're still thriving. ANSL is dead because NS is dead. Plain and simple.
More of this <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/asrifle.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::asrifle::" border="0" alt="asrifle.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/siege.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::siege::" border="0" alt="siege.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/skulk.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::skulk::" border="0" alt="skulk.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/pudgy.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::gorge::" border="0" alt="pudgy.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hive5.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::hive::" border="0" alt="hive5.gif" /> would rock.
A votemap system that works, ie votes at the end of the map and not during play.
A good map rotation.
Admins that know how and when to use their power.
Keep words like vet or BS=0 and the like out of the title it deters the casual player which will probably end up being 1/2 of the server population conservatively.
<b>Also you may want to reconsider your slots, the reason G4B2S and BAD are still around is not because they are good, it is because they can survive when players leave suddenly. These larger slot servers also smooth out the skill curve, skilled aliens and marines players are slowed by the shear number of players. These players still dominate the game but cannot end it quickly or be everywhere at once.</b>
I've ran a lot of servers in the past, Vet, public, private, CM beta tests..etc and if I could change anything I did back then it would be to add more slots, my servers were always 16-20, now I would run 25-30. I know its not ideal for game balance or competative play but in this age of NS you cannot run a server without catering to the majority, the casual player.
G4B2S is usually full at night and BAD is sometimes full. There would be overflow from these servers as I'm sure there are people just waiting to play a game.
Good luck, be sure to let us know if you do this.
<!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->Yeah... you might be able to pick off a few players during those certain times, but for the remainder of the time your going to have a dead server. It's hard enough to populate on our servers during these 'dead hours' of the day. The only way and only time you will be able to fill your server is when you organize a bunch of players together, or every other server is packed. Have fun with that. Don't get me wrong, it would be nice to have a place for competitive players to go, but this is hardly the time to attempt at a new server. What you really need is to find more supporters.
Best of luck,
<BAD>Hunter<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
Is someone nervous?
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Is someone nervous?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->Haha! Nervous? You must not know what I'm trying to say or who I am for that matter. <!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
<!--quoteo(post=1679161:date=May 22 2008, 08:22 AM:name=Mac1OMan)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mac1OMan @ May 22 2008, 08:22 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1679161"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->Don't get me wrong, it would be nice to have a place for competitive players to go
What you really need is to find more supporters.
Best of luck,
<BAD>Hunter<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->Just from that, you should see that I'm supporting you. If anything, our server would be more inviting to the less skilled players. By all means go for it, I would love to see it work. (no sarcasm intended)
I might even consider donating to the cause and helping out if their was enough support. Don't judge someone without getting to know them. Go have fun on forums trying to revive the game a bit.
... Nervous? Get the ###### out. This isn't business, its a ######ing game. I'm here to enjoy it, and support the fun. I'm not a 'competitor'. Call me what you want though. Any supporter is better than making them an enemy.
In the end, everyone is welcome to our servers, so long as you can follow simple rules, and try to get along.<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
It's gamesmanship and competitiveness. Again, this exists in all competitive games and will always exist. NFL players trash talk each other on the field but I don't see any franchises going under.
If you take "you suck" personally, instead of getting better at the game, then you're simply not cut out for competitive play.
Yeah I went through it too, but I took it on a much larger scale, when competitive NS was actually popular, but I didn't cry about it, I got better.
The main problem with the game is and always has been the high skill curve.
Some random pub admin?
<!--quoteo(post=1679163:date=May 22 2008, 12:53 PM:name=Mac1OMan)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mac1OMan @ May 22 2008, 12:53 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1679163"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->other words<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's a pretty big answer for a 3 word question.