TWG XVII CODENAME: PATHFINDER

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  • Soul_RiderSoul_Rider Mod Bean Join Date: 2004-06-19 Member: 29388Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue
    For any lurkers out there, and players who may have lost it, here is the link to the table I made to record player movement and searches.

    <a href="http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pmUpPmdbZ_0No3Hp93RwkXg" target="_blank">TWG Room Searching Spreadsheet</a>

    Hope this opens up some new trains of thought for people, maybe, hopefully..

    As regards moves for night 2, we have 2 options, pre-plan each move so we all know which room we are going to, or keep them hidden.

    In My Humble Opinion....

    Keep it hidden plays into the wolves hands of needing to stay out of the limelight.

    If everyone shares then it makes it harder for the wolves to hide and they have to play more open, so more chance of mistakes.

    That's my view.

    Everyone please give your opinions..
  • locallyunscenelocallyunscene Feeder of Trolls Join Date: 2002-12-25 Member: 11528Members, Constellation
    Is there any reason we're waiting an extra day? Day 1 was orig supposed to end tonight IIRC. Everyone's voted so I'm wondering what's the hold up. I'll probably move to room 6.
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    the problem with cutting it short a day is that people might not KNOW that it would now end tonight instead of tomorrow, and thus would not be around to worry about vote jumping and various other shenanigans (for instance, as it stands EMP is boned for no good reason).
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    adendum:
    I am all for shortening the day/night cycle, especially early on in the game as there is not MUCH to talk about.

    Aside from locally wanting to lynch EMP obviously <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
  • XentorXentor Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5877Members
    Ya know, because of the long day, I think this is the most conversation we've ever had on day one...

    So, to comment on the various points...

    As to my experience, I've only been really "involved" in a few games... Most of the time, I'm completely in the dark, which is why I tend to survive. I think the only role I had was psychic once, and apart from getting your message out, there's not much for the psychic to do.

    So, to pre-planning movements...

    I don't think assigning rooms is a good idea, for two reasons. First, the wolves can just follow orders and not worry about rousing suspicion. Second, the one making the plan could always be a wolf, trying to maximize the number of items they get.

    But just letting everyone know where you're going beforehand (And picking an empty room)... Well, that's a bit wiser, in my opinion.
  • NightstalkerNightstalker Join Date: 2007-01-06 Member: 59463Members
    edited February 2008
    <!--quoteo(post=1669861:date=Feb 7 2008, 06:40 PM:name=Thansal)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thansal @ Feb 7 2008, 06:40 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1669861"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I admit I am kinda curious about what people think about ELost and my self (and NSer, though he is not in this game). We have all been involved in some good wolf games, including 2 of them that involved fake networking.
    As for this game itself, I expect the wolves to just keep a low profile (works best in a small wolf game). If one of them finds the bomb, they will probably just clear out of the area.
    So, for the map, the bomb and some needed info.
    So, each room has 4 areas, NW, NE, SE, SW.
    The bomb can be in any corner.
    We can be in any corner.
    I seem to understand that the bomb will detonate in a square pattern, taking out anyone that is one set away from it
    EX:
    So, let us say the bomb is planted in room 1, SE corner. When it goes, will EVERYONE in room 1, those people on the West side of room 2, those one the North side of room 4, and any one in the NW corner of room 5, will all die. Right?
    Or would the diagonal to room 5 not count?
    Or is it EVERYONE in rooms 1, 2, 4, and 5?

    What about the hallways? I assume they do not count as rooms, simply connections between Rooms 3&8 and rooms 5&10.
    So a bomb in the west side of 10 will get people in 5. and the South side of 8 will get people in 3.

    It seems like the safest places to be in the game are the corners where you don't connect to any rooms (1NW, 4SW, 3SE, 7NW/E, 9SE, 6NW), as those spots would require the bomb to be in the same room AS you to get you.

    And then the defusal kit.
    If the person with the kit is in the blast radius, the bomb just does nothing? or the person with the defusal kit lives, everyone else dies?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    okay i know that rule changes appear to be the cornerstone of this game <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> but i have one more clarification. The bomb has a set timer, so if you pick it up, its kinda like russian hot potato. You can hold onto it as long as it doesnt go off, but you don't know when its going to blow, so you may not want to chance it. Anyways. lets use your scenario and break it down piece by piece. Scenario:

    bomb is planted in room 1, SE corner. When it goes, will EVERYONE in room 1, those people on the West side of room 2, those one the North side of room 4, and any one in the NW corner of room 5, will all die. Right?
    Or would the diagonal to room 5 not count?
    Or is it EVERYONE in rooms 1, 2, 4, and 5?

    Okay everyone in room 1 dies (obviously, youre in the same room >< doh!!!) people in the SW corner of room 2, the NE corner of room 4, and the NW corner of room 5 will die. The square pattern only affects the adjacent corner of the surround rooms.The defusal kit does 2 things. 1, its basically a shield against the bomb, so no matter where you are, you don't die from the bomb. 2, it allows you to carry the bomb as long as you want, so if you have the defusal kit and the bomb, effectively, you control the bomb. However, when you plant it, a 2 day timer starts, since when you defused it thats what the numbers came out to be. if someone else picks up the bomb, that 2 day timer is still going and it will blow up when it ends. killing everyone in the corresponding vicinity.

    Anything else? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />


    ooo another note!!!!

    NOTE: There is an 96% chance you will find the bomb when you search a room. Just because you didn't find it doesnt mean it isnt there.
  • EMP_DemonEMP_Demon Nothing to see here. Join Date: 2005-01-28 Member: 38754Members, Constellation
    If someone does plant the bomb for two days, the game's probably gonna be near over by the time it actually does go off...
  • im_lostim_lost TWG Rule Guru Join Date: 2003-04-26 Member: 15861Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1669882:date=Feb 7 2008, 03:18 PM:name=Xentor)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Xentor @ Feb 7 2008, 03:18 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1669882"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Ya know, because of the long day, I think this is the most conversation we've ever had on day one...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=95502&st=80&p=1529658&#entry1529658" target="_blank">http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index....p;#entry1529658</a> says otherwise.

    I had a nice post typed up in response to some of the things Soul Rider said, but then I ended up leaving, and then I had issues that led to me restarting my computer (something about having resource-hogging programs open for long periods of time and going over a month without restarting the computer, I imagine). Something along the lines of the fact that I really don't think I'm that great at this game, I've just been around forever. Both as seer and as psychic I managed to tell a wolf my role (calculated risk as invincible seer, full PM inbox for the recipient when I was psychic). I haven't actually initiated any networks in any of these games. The games where I've survived were as a clueless human, an invincible seer, and a wolf in a game where activity was so low that I blended right in by doing nothing.

    I think it will be really funny when the bomb goes off and kills exactly one person, accompanied by the wolves missing their kill due to there only being a 99.9% chance of success.

    Is it just me, or is today's voting going to end up being completely useless?
  • Eternaly_LostEternaly_Lost Join Date: 2004-11-20 Member: 32907Members, Constellation, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1669855:date=Feb 7 2008, 12:39 PM:name=Soul_Rider)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Soul_Rider @ Feb 7 2008, 12:39 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1669855"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Eternally_Lost

    Played: 6
    Won: 1
    MVP: 2
    Role: 1
    Wolf: 3
    Host: 1

    Another experienced player, but has died very quickly in quite a few games, so role experience is neglible. 2 MVP's to his name show how good he can be.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Correct info for me.

    Name: Eternaly_Lost
    Played: 6 Games / Hosted 1 game ( not including this one. )
    MVP 2.5 ( 2 full MVPS and one honourable mention.
    Human ( No powers ): 2 over the course of 2 games.
    Role: Total 3 over the course of 2 games.
    Wolf: Total 4 over the course of 3 games.
    Host: 1

    yea, I got wolf 4 times, in one of those games we reset however.
  • NightstalkerNightstalker Join Date: 2007-01-06 Member: 59463Members
    Okay vote count so far

    EMP Demon (2) - Eternaly_lost, Theslan
    Eternaly_lost (1) - locallyunscene
    Caboose (1) - im_lost
    Theslan (1) - EMP Demon
    Soul_Rider (1) - Thansal
    locallyunscene (1) - Xentor
    im_lost (1) - TheFeniX
    Thansal (1) - Soul_Rider
    Xentor (1) - Caboose

    No Votes:

    TheFeniX
  • locallyunscenelocallyunscene Feeder of Trolls Join Date: 2002-12-25 Member: 11528Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1669879:date=Feb 7 2008, 05:49 PM:name=Thansal)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thansal @ Feb 7 2008, 05:49 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1669879"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->adendum:
    I am all for shortening the day/night cycle, especially early on in the game as there is not MUCH to talk about.

    Aside from locally wanting to lynch EMP obviously <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If you don't want to lynch EMP you should move your vote <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />

    I only asked because I thought the post orig said Thursday. Moot point now anyway. I'm all for shorter cycles.
  • locallyunscenelocallyunscene Feeder of Trolls Join Date: 2002-12-25 Member: 11528Members, Constellation
    I could say I was joking about the Thansal/Theslan mixup I just did but I'm just dumb.
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1669934:date=Feb 8 2008, 10:15 AM:name=locallyunscene)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(locallyunscene @ Feb 8 2008, 10:15 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1669934"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I could say I was joking about the Thansal/Theslan mixup I just did but I'm just dumb.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    buahahahaha!

    it strikes again!


    /me contemplates switching his avatar with Theslan again


    So yah. This is actually kind of interesting. First day 1 where we really have had very little activity vote wise.

    everyone placed one vote, no switches, nothing yet.

    I mean, Thes sorta looks suspicious by being the only one to place a 2nd vote, but tbh, by now we normally have a few people with 2 votes.I am almost tempted to try and convince Thes to switch his vote to fenix and just let random.org decide it, however I know that either ELost or my self will get lynched, as random.org hates us.


    honestly, I dono <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    ok, gona toss a few more things out there:

    1) I am going to be unavailable from about 4-8 EST (yay for having at least 1 hr to fiddle around before the deadline)

    2) If we are not at a 10 way tie by when I get home tonight (about 8ish) I will place a second vote on some one (assuming Soul still only has 1 vote).

    3) I am a refresh monkey and plan on being up till 10 EST and will try and vote up anyone that does last min vote changes.




    Question for NSer:
    2200 EST.

    forum time? or somethign else? (remember, forum clock is off by a good bit)
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    ok, forum clock is still 15 mins early.
  • Eternaly_LostEternaly_Lost Join Date: 2004-11-20 Member: 32907Members, Constellation, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1669948:date=Feb 8 2008, 11:36 AM:name=Thansal)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thansal @ Feb 8 2008, 11:36 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1669948"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->ok, gona toss a few more things out there:

    1) I am going to be unavailable from about 4-8 EST (yay for having at least 1 hr to fiddle around before the deadline)

    2) If we are not at a 10 way tie by when I get home tonight (about 8ish) I will place a second vote on some one (assuming Soul still only has 1 vote).

    3) I am a refresh monkey and plan on being up till 10 EST and will try and vote up anyone that does last min vote changes.
    Question for NSer:
    2200 EST.

    forum time? or somethign else? (remember, forum clock is off by a good bit)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Willing to be that it will be real time or US Military time. ( those are very close )
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1669951:date=Feb 8 2008, 11:51 AM:name=Eternaly_Lost)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Eternaly_Lost @ Feb 8 2008, 11:51 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1669951"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Willing to be that it will be real time or US Military time. ( those are very close )<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    they are actually the same <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />

    I just want a deceleration of intent to use real time or forum clock.
  • Eternaly_LostEternaly_Lost Join Date: 2004-11-20 Member: 32907Members, Constellation, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow
    Yea so some thing interesting happened in IRC.

    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->12:37] <+Thansal> LIES!
    [12:38] <+Thansal> (or something)
    [12:38] <+Eternaly_Lost> So, Thansal is lieing?
    [12:39] <+Thansal> yes.
    [12:39] <+Eternaly_Lost> So, Thansal are you a wolf?
    [12:39] <+Eternaly_Lost> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
    [12:39] <+Thansal> Yes!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Granted after this we got into a fight with a Ninja vs a team of Monkey Pirate Ninjas( I think I won that one with a Treasure chest of Bananas )
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    "Are you lying?"
    "Yes!"





    nuff said <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
  • Eternaly_LostEternaly_Lost Join Date: 2004-11-20 Member: 32907Members, Constellation, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1669962:date=Feb 8 2008, 12:55 PM:name=Thansal)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thansal @ Feb 8 2008, 12:55 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1669962"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->"Are you lying?"
    "Yes!"
    nuff said <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    Ah, but a wolf would lie, so a Lying wolf would say that he is a wolf.
  • locallyunscenelocallyunscene Feeder of Trolls Join Date: 2002-12-25 Member: 11528Members, Constellation
    I'm not well versed in TWG, but is there any reason at all to admit to being a wolf? I'm going to check the IRC logs when I get home.
  • Eternaly_LostEternaly_Lost Join Date: 2004-11-20 Member: 32907Members, Constellation, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1669964:date=Feb 8 2008, 01:08 PM:name=locallyunscene)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(locallyunscene @ Feb 8 2008, 01:08 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1669964"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I'm not well versed in TWG, but is there any reason at all to admit to being a wolf? I'm going to check the IRC logs when I get home.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Only when the wolfs have a competer to win ( such as mafia ).

    So in this game not at all.
  • im_lostim_lost TWG Rule Guru Join Date: 2003-04-26 Member: 15861Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1669964:date=Feb 8 2008, 10:08 AM:name=locallyunscene)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(locallyunscene @ Feb 8 2008, 10:08 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1669964"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I'm not well versed in TWG, but is there any reason at all to admit to being a wolf? I'm going to check the IRC logs when I get home.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Not in any game that's remotely standard. If there were werewolves and mafia, then it might be reasonable to find some justification... maybe. Anyone saying "I'm a wolf" or "I'm a human" as an announcement to everyone just gets ignored anyway.

    I see that E_Lost beat me to it, I'm going to post this anyway.
  • Eternaly_LostEternaly_Lost Join Date: 2004-11-20 Member: 32907Members, Constellation, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1669966:date=Feb 8 2008, 01:13 PM:name=im_lost)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(im_lost @ Feb 8 2008, 01:13 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1669966"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Not in any game that's remotely standard. If there were werewolves and mafia, then it might be reasonable to find some justification... maybe. Anyone saying "I'm a wolf" or "I'm a human" as an announcement to everyone just gets ignored anyway.

    I see that E_Lost beat me to it, I'm going to post this anyway.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Post++ <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />

    Anyway, something intresting, despite being on IRC quite a bit, TheFenix only has 1 post in this thread, as a vote for someone.

    Any reason why Fenix?
  • EMP_DemonEMP_Demon Nothing to see here. Join Date: 2005-01-28 Member: 38754Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1669967:date=Feb 8 2008, 12:45 PM:name=Eternaly_Lost)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Eternaly_Lost @ Feb 8 2008, 12:45 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1669967"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Post++ <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />

    Anyway, something intresting, despite being on IRC quite a bit, TheFenix only has 1 post in this thread, as a vote for someone.

    Any reason why Fenix?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    You missed it!

    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->[12:35] <TheFeniX_Work> I tend to rley on IRC more than the forum. Mainly because the forum hurts me to read.
    [12:35] <TheFeniX_Work> gut I should post more for the benefit of the players not in IRC, I will grant that.
    [12:35] <im_lost> i don't have a problem reading the forum
    [12:36] <TheFeniX_Work> it's very clunky for me. I'm used to more streamlined forums.
    [12:36] <im_lost> i just get used to whatever the particular community uses
    [12:36] <im_lost> though i think this is the only one i use that's IPB
    [12:37] <TheFeniX_Work> also, what annoys me is I have to read through post after post about the game mechanics, not the game.
    [12:38] <im_lost> that's most of what was discussed in IRC also...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
  • Eternaly_LostEternaly_Lost Join Date: 2004-11-20 Member: 32907Members, Constellation, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1669968:date=Feb 8 2008, 01:49 PM:name=EMP_Demon)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(EMP_Demon @ Feb 8 2008, 01:49 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1669968"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You missed it!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    Just so Fenix knows, we have post after post of Game Mechanics, because it the safest way to talk about the game, without risking much. Wolfs and Roles both like this, because it is no risk to them, at a gain of not be lynched for being inactive. Normal humans it more a pain for because they don't have much to talk about, nor any other source of info.
  • Soul_RiderSoul_Rider Mod Bean Join Date: 2004-06-19 Member: 29388Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue
    Yes, all the machanics talk is generally by wolves and human roles, making sure they've got everything right before commiting themselves, or people with special objects. If you don't fall into one of these categories you get very bored and type up pages of random nonsense....

    Like me <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
  • EMP_DemonEMP_Demon Nothing to see here. Join Date: 2005-01-28 Member: 38754Members, Constellation
    Seeing as how I have no wish to die this early in the game, I'm moving my vote to <b>Soul_Rider</b> as my last resort.

    If we somehow go back to a multi-way-tie situation, I'll gladly move to someone without a vote, but it's staying there for now.
  • im_lostim_lost TWG Rule Guru Join Date: 2003-04-26 Member: 15861Members
    /me goes back to page 4 for the previous vote count

    Votes

    EMP Demon (2) - Eternaly_lost, Theslan
    Soul_Rider (2) - Thansal, EMP Demon
    Eternaly_lost (1) - locallyunscene
    Caboose (1) - im_lost
    locallyunscene (1) - Xentor
    im_lost (1) - TheFeniX
    Thansal (1) - Soul_Rider
    Xentor (1) - Caboose

    No Votes:

    TheFeniX, Theslan
  • Soul_RiderSoul_Rider Mod Bean Join Date: 2004-06-19 Member: 29388Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue
    <b>EMPDemon</b> You need to talk to me.

    Votes

    EMP Demon (3) - Eternaly_lost, Theslan
    Soul_Rider (2) - Thansal, EMP Demon
    Eternaly_lost (1) - locallyunscene
    Caboose (1) - im_lost
    locallyunscene (1) - Xentor
    im_lost (1) - TheFeniX
    Thansal (1) - Soul_Rider
    Xentor (1) - Caboose
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