Building a new computer
<div class="IPBDescription">Without paying way too much</div>So, since I'm getting a job at Best Buy soon, I decided to put together a decent gaming computer. I trust newegg the most, as I've already built 2 computers using parts strictly from them, and none of those parts have ever given me problems. And so, this is what I chose:
<b>Case</b>
<a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133154" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16811133154</a>
Big, cool looking case that is guaranteed to hold everything I'll be able to afford.
<b>Power Supply</b>
<a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153052" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16817153052</a>
500 watts, should be able to handle all the parts I'm buying with no problems, even under a full load. (I hope)
<b>Motherboard</b>
<a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121060" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16813121060</a>
The only problem I have Is the 2 PCI slots. I currently don't have anything that will take up more than two, so I guess I'm fine for now. I'm wondering why there's 3 PCI-E slots and not 4 or 2, but whatever. The mobo will handle everything on my computer and got alot of good reviews, so it looks fine to me.
<b>Processor</b>
<a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115002" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16819115002</a>
I've always bought cheap ass processors for usually less than half the price. My days of crappy single core AMD processors are over. I tried extra hard to go for the most bang for my buck, and this one looks like a winner.
<b>RAM</b>
<a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145034" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820145034</a>
High quality RAM at <i>that</i> price? I went out and bought another set of 2gb because it was so cheap. o.o
<b>Hard Drive</b>
<a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148140" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16822148140</a>
80 bucks. 320 GB. 7200 RPM. Anything wrong with that?
<b>Video card</b>
<a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150171" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16814150171</a>
The OTHER big spending point of my new computer to-be. Like my processors, that cheapo value cards I kept buying were seriously not cutting it, especially when my little brother's Dell XPS was raping my computer on every game we tested our computers on. When I saw the price on this one, I was shocked. Compared to my current 7900 GS, this will wipe the floor with it while simultaneously break-dancing.
And finally, a copy of Windows XP Pro. I'm feeling guilty enough as it is using a not so legal copy, and I feel it's time for me to finally pay for the OS I've come to love so much.
Grand total after 3 day shipping and taxes?
$1,571.10
So vets of the NS forum, I ask you this. Do these parts seems like a wise choice for this kind of money? Also, don't forget newegg's reliability when telling me to look at another site.
Also, am I missing anything? I really didn't like feeling like a retard when I forgot the PSU for the last computer I built. ;_;
PS: Hi Arctica and Kyliegirl. I see you two are still here too. =P
*NINJA EDIT*
I forgot the prize for anyone reading the topic:
<a href="http://rapidshare.com/files/63496190/portal_still_alive.mp3.html" target="_blank">http://rapidshare.com/files/63496190/porta..._alive.mp3.html</a>
Since I see that plenty of people are looking for that song, hopefully one of them will read my topic. =P
<b>Case</b>
<a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133154" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16811133154</a>
Big, cool looking case that is guaranteed to hold everything I'll be able to afford.
<b>Power Supply</b>
<a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153052" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16817153052</a>
500 watts, should be able to handle all the parts I'm buying with no problems, even under a full load. (I hope)
<b>Motherboard</b>
<a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121060" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16813121060</a>
The only problem I have Is the 2 PCI slots. I currently don't have anything that will take up more than two, so I guess I'm fine for now. I'm wondering why there's 3 PCI-E slots and not 4 or 2, but whatever. The mobo will handle everything on my computer and got alot of good reviews, so it looks fine to me.
<b>Processor</b>
<a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115002" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16819115002</a>
I've always bought cheap ass processors for usually less than half the price. My days of crappy single core AMD processors are over. I tried extra hard to go for the most bang for my buck, and this one looks like a winner.
<b>RAM</b>
<a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145034" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820145034</a>
High quality RAM at <i>that</i> price? I went out and bought another set of 2gb because it was so cheap. o.o
<b>Hard Drive</b>
<a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148140" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16822148140</a>
80 bucks. 320 GB. 7200 RPM. Anything wrong with that?
<b>Video card</b>
<a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150171" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16814150171</a>
The OTHER big spending point of my new computer to-be. Like my processors, that cheapo value cards I kept buying were seriously not cutting it, especially when my little brother's Dell XPS was raping my computer on every game we tested our computers on. When I saw the price on this one, I was shocked. Compared to my current 7900 GS, this will wipe the floor with it while simultaneously break-dancing.
And finally, a copy of Windows XP Pro. I'm feeling guilty enough as it is using a not so legal copy, and I feel it's time for me to finally pay for the OS I've come to love so much.
Grand total after 3 day shipping and taxes?
$1,571.10
So vets of the NS forum, I ask you this. Do these parts seems like a wise choice for this kind of money? Also, don't forget newegg's reliability when telling me to look at another site.
Also, am I missing anything? I really didn't like feeling like a retard when I forgot the PSU for the last computer I built. ;_;
PS: Hi Arctica and Kyliegirl. I see you two are still here too. =P
*NINJA EDIT*
I forgot the prize for anyone reading the topic:
<a href="http://rapidshare.com/files/63496190/portal_still_alive.mp3.html" target="_blank">http://rapidshare.com/files/63496190/porta..._alive.mp3.html</a>
Since I see that plenty of people are looking for that song, hopefully one of them will read my topic. =P
Comments
wait... ah core duo... nevermind...
Also your hd is slow... mine is <!--coloro:#FF0000--><span style="color:#FF0000"><!--/coloro-->10.000 RPM<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--> and i love it more than my family...
wait... ah core duo... nevermind...
Also your hd is slow... mine is <!--coloro:#FF0000--><span style="color:#FF0000"><!--/coloro-->10.000 RPM<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--> and i love it more than my family...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Eh?
I could have sworn 7200 was decent these days, am I missing something?
Should I get less size and more speed?
Though I might also decide to mess with striped volumes. Might be worth it... C partition on the first disk, D on the second, E and F split between the two...
Point of interest: The above C, D, E, F partition setup is how I've always run it on the computer I'm currently using. At first I used a single disk and just kept it this way for the sake of overview. When I added a second disk and split up the partitions like above, I got a very noticeable performance gain in terms of loading times.
Though I might also decide to mess with striped volumes. Might be worth it... C partition on the first disk, D on the second, E and F split between the two...
Point of interest: The above C, D, E, F partition setup is how I've always run it on the computer I'm currently using. At first I used a single disk and just kept it this way for the sake of overview. When I added a second disk and split up the partitions like above, I got a very noticeable performance gain in terms of loading times.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I was thinking about going in to a similar setup, but then I realized I survived 2 years just fine with a 80 gb hard drive. So I'm thinking a 320 will do me just fine.
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that I plan on using the same monitor, mainly because you don't just stop using 20.5 inch LCDs unless you are freaking rich.
Well, it wasn't so much about the size, it was about the performance. 320 gigabytes would serve me fine as well, but I figured I might as well grab a bit more just in case. But it's the two drives that I really want. Two, rather than one.
Optical drives?
Oh, and yah, the WD Raptors are slick as all get out. I have an 80gig one I use for my windows drive, and then a slower 500gig for everything else (As well as my old 120 gig for random old stuff). However, I am with lolf on atleast having 2 drives (even if you are not silly and don't splurge on a raptor you can get a nice 'small' second drive that you install NOTHING but windows on)
grumble, I hate to dig through everything but I KNOW you can get lower then that as I did and bought more stuff.
Optical drives?
Oh, and yah, the WD Raptors are slick as all get out. I have an 80gig one I use for my windows drive, and then a slower 500gig for everything else (As well as my old 120 gig for random old stuff). However, I am with lolf on atleast having 2 drives (even if you are not silly and don't splurge on a raptor you can get a nice 'small' second drive that you install NOTHING but windows on)
grumble, I hate to dig through everything but I KNOW you can get lower then that as I did and bought more stuff.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The only reason I didn't up and just look for the lowest possible prices is because I figured that the differences would be minuscule. For example, the card I'm getting is pretty much at the top of it's class, if I want more the price will be significantly higher. Though, that's not to say I don't want to pay less for the same thing, I'm saying I'd rather risk spending a few bucks too much to ensure I get high quality parts rather than get a nameless brand that hopefully will do the same job.
I obviously am going to at least put my current drive in my new computer, but not boot off of it. I'd rather not throw away 2 years worth of memories, music, games, etc. But the second drive suggestion gave me a great idea: Clear off all the junk I obviously won't need anymore once I get my new computer and voila, decent second hard drive.
Oh, and thanks for reminding me about the optical drives. Even though I'll be reusing mine, I only remembered that when you mentioned it. Thanks Thansal, that's the exact type of response I was hoping to get. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
Anyway, will you be overclocking? You might want to invest into an after-market cooler if you are.
Anyway, will you be overclocking? You might want to invest into an after-market cooler if you are.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No sir, unless the overclocking I plan to do is covered by my stock fans.
My 2 cents.
Bud, I have that identical motherboard (nicknamed "Bad Axe 2"), I'm writing to you from a box using it, and I can tell you overclocking on it takes NOTHING. There's just a small tweak you want to add to your current configuration that will drastically improve your cost/performance ratio:
The E6700 you plan on getting costs $319.99. It is identical to the e6600 in all respects (65nm Conroe, 4MB L2 cache), the ONLY difference is the clock speed, and the price. The e6700 at 2.66GHz, the e6600 at 2.40GHz.
Now, with your d975xbx2, all it takes is a quick alteration of the "Host Clock Frequency" and "CPU Voltage Override" settings in your bios, and can have your e6600 labled core2duo processor running at 3.3GHz, faster than the E6700.. faster than the E6800. I'm doing that right now, and have been since January. Most people are able to achieve 3.5 and 3.6GHz with the same setup.
To achieve this overclock you don't need a fancy watercooling or otherwise elaborate setup, just a beefy fan, and this one is it:
Tuniq Tower 120 - $51.32 shipped
<a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835154001" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16835154001</a>
The total cost of the (legendary) Tuniq Tower heatsink + an e6600 is $275.22, shipped; You're saving exactly $44.77 over the standard $319.99 e6700, and you're getting <b>significantly better performance</b>. It's hard to believe, but there is no catch. That's it.
For more on the D975xbx2, e6600, and Tuniq Tower overclock, I IMPLORE you to read up here: <a href="http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=124131" target="_blank">http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=124131</a>
The E6700 you plan on getting costs $319.99. It is identical to the e6600 in all respects (65nm Conroe, 4MB L2 cache), the ONLY difference is the clock speed, and the price. The e6700 at 2.66GHz, the e6600 at 2.40GHz.
Now, with your d975xbx2, all it takes is a quick alteration of the "Host Clock Frequency" and "CPU Voltage Override" settings in your bios, and can have your e6600 labled core2duo processor running at 3.3GHz, faster than the E6700.. faster than the E6800. I'm doing that right now, and have been since January. Most people are able to achieve 3.5 and 3.6GHz with the same setup.
To achieve this overclock you don't need a fancy watercooling or otherwise elaborate setup, just a beefy fan, and this one is it:
Tuniq Tower 120 - $51.32 shipped
<a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835154001" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16835154001</a>
The total cost of the (legendary) Tuniq Tower heatsink + an e6600 is $275.22, shipped; You're saving exactly $44.77 over the standard $319.99 e6700, and you're getting <b>significantly better performance</b>. It's hard to believe, but there is no catch. That's it.
For more on the D975xbx2, e6600, and Tuniq Tower overclock, I IMPLORE you to read up here: <a href="http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=124131" target="_blank">http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=124131</a><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Whoa whoa WHOA. That's some solid info. And hell, if the fan can do that much to that processor for only 51.32, where do you think I could take my current processor choice with that?
Also, reading into the second link as we speak, this is sounding better and better already.
besides it just too much down time, fried my nvida sparkle last summer to a coal fire, lost the fan didnt have the temp box cheaked as it was intrupting me the day before on a 50 degree day. suddenly graphic tearing, and blue screen death, promptly followed by a slight smell of sulfar.
i have see nthe bench marks on the raptors 10,000's, nice but the baracooda is useing about 30 watt less on load, and is still getting things done faster than 80% of the drives out there
the diffrance between the e6700 in aus is its pritty cheap right now for me i wouldnt be saveing much between the e6300, and the e6300 is pulling about a extra 30-50 seconds in high end rendering in like studio max, and the diffrance between the wattage of these in idle time is nothing, if i can shave off a minute in rendering, still over clock with my water cooling, have a dead silent computer that wont keep me awake at night, useing stuff all power, and not have to clean my custom box out every month through summer, i would be a happy camper.
the corsiar in 5-5-5-12 is great its shaves off about 4-8 watts than if it was 444 timeing
As for the video card going for a msi 8800 gts 320 which is a Over Clock sli card, its pulled with in the 2 minute render margins and uses a ###### ton less wattage at load, doing it faster for less is best couple with a marginal comparison of idle wattage but still shaveing off more wattage than about 10 other cards in idle. and about 4 of those cards are take way longer to render and are sucking the juice while they do it.
still cant wait to see more video cards become a little more power friendly,
still tossing up weather to go with the gigabyte board or the msi board both lay outs suit me, the gigbyte board is one click over clocked, and has some additional media ports, like High def on board fly wire, littraly the works,
still for keeping it under 350 watts not bad, i just hope i can sqweese a 3.5 mounted audigi card in there some were, as i am sick of on board sound coming interferance with anything and everything, i acctuly think it has a hissy fit when my naibour uses her vibrator but thats besides the point.
4 90mm reservoir, trying to dig up a UFO CPU block cos if i was to design a CPU water block it would be exactly like that, thinking about a rocket, but i really shouldn't need one with that many reservoir, as the reservoir dissipate heat any ways, and am tossing up a NG36 i think it is a VGA block for 8800's with fan COUGH, i know blasphemy, simply cos the water block runs all over the card and not just the GPU. two ram coolers and a HDD cooler, i would like to go two HDD's but alas its not in the cards for now.
if i go the rocket 850 bucks on water cooling and about 900-950 bucks on components depends on if can fit a second HDD and a external audigiy card, note they arnt factored into the price. prolly a bit more with postage.
BTW it's also the best type of cooling, i mean with a huge fan like that it's probably going to make some noise when your playin something like crysis or bioshock.
Duh. It's the magical PC sounds, if they get out the little gremlins inside won't know what to do.
<a href="http://www.clubit.com/product_detail.cfm?itemno=A1938452" target="_blank">http://www.clubit.com/product_detail.cfm?itemno=A1938452</a>
Im so tempted to buy this.
No but it's a sign of overheating which can affect FPS. And you don't really wanna hear "WOOF* *WOOF* *WOOF* *WOOF* in the background while your playing a game and your really into it.
A large fan doesn't necassarily mean that it's going to keep it cool, especially if he overclocks it.
Well if he doesn't want to hear that he should just put his dog outside. That always increased my FPS.
HAHAHAHA THAT WAS SO FUNNY IM WRITING IN CAPS OH LORDY!
Hense the sarcasm.
That's the thing: your current choice would (statistically speaking) overclock more or less equally. So there's no reason WHATEVER for the technically literate, informed overclocker to buy into the Intel naming/pricing schemes. You can save the money by "downgrading" (winkwink) to the e6600, and with a few BIOS alterations, it will be running better than the stock $1000 e6800. I know, this is impossible to believe at first, you think there's a catch, but there isn't.
<!--quoteo(post=1657406:date=Oct 23 2007, 09:51 PM:name=Warrior)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Warrior @ Oct 23 2007, 09:51 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1657406"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Instead of going with a dual core cpu, I would suggest you get a Q6600. Assuming you changed your mind about overclocking, find a G0 stepping CPU and with that tuniq tower hit 3ghz+ easy. You may have to buy the CPU at a different place but it would be worth it. Not sure if Newegg guarantees a G0 CPU like some places do.
<a href="http://www.clubit.com/product_detail.cfm?itemno=A1938452" target="_blank">http://www.clubit.com/product_detail.cfm?itemno=A1938452</a><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yash, he speaks truth. If I were building a budget rig again today this is the CPU I would get. And with a guaranteed G0, it's a lot more stable than an e6600 overclock would be.
Side note: If I was ever trapped in a room with NEX9, by 10 minutes there would occur the quickest murder-suicide in recent history. Infer from that what you will.
You're terrible at it then.