Installing a Case Fan

TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
edited August 2007 in Off-Topic
<div class="IPBDescription">I KNOW It's Supposed to Be Easy</div>Installing a case fan is about the easiest computer thing possible, right? I mean, you don't even have to plug the thing in to the motherboard if you don't feel like it. Somehow, though, I'm having trouble.

The case: Antec Sonata III with a nice ol' mounting for a 120mm fan near the front.

The fan: An Antec TriCool 120mm. Same brand as the case, even! Cute how that works out.

The situation: Tycho opens fan. Tycho takes off little twisty thing holding wires together. Tycho opens case. Tycho takes one of the four screws that came with fan and attempts to insert in one of four holes in case. Tycho keeps trying. Tycho gets another screwdriver. Tycho keeps trying. Tycho tries another screw. Tycho tries another hole. Tycho tries another screw in the other hole. Tycho reexamines fan. Tycho reexamines case. Tycho looks suspiciously at identical fan that came with the case, screwed to the back, which appears to use smaller screws that would be far easier to screw in. Tycho wonders if Antec likes to screw with customers.

I've got the four fan screws. They BARELY make it in to the fan/case/whatever I screw them in to, and once they're in they won't go any farther and occasionally get stuck so that I can't get them out without a pair of pliers and some yanking. Am I missing something here? Is there a secret? I've narrowed down my options to four choices:

1. Use some crazy alternate mounting method, like duct tape or glue or something.

2. Go to hardware store and attempt to find some screws that are very slightly smaller than the ones Antec gave me, or that look like the ones that Antec saved for themselves in order to get the back fan mounted.

3. Use an awl or a tiny file to slightly widen the holes in my case where the screws go, and possibly do the same to the fan.

4. Learn some amazing secret from the Natural Selection forums that lets me get my freaking case fan in to my freaking case with the freaking screws provided by the freaking company that made both freaking parts and ought to be able to get them to work together without me making a freaking forum post about the easiest freaking thing ever.

Aaaaaargh. It's not super time sensitive or anything since it's just a front intake fan, but uh, I want it in there. Bad. 'cuz I'm <i>mad</i>.

The offending fan:
<img src="http://geizhals.at/img/pix/222928.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />

The offending case:
<img src="http://www.aicmicro.com/images/sonataIII_Q.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />

I think I can rig something up with 8 little bars/toothpicks and four rubber bands. It'll be awesome. But seriously screws are still my first choice.

Comments

  • XythXyth Avatar Join Date: 2003-11-04 Member: 22312Members
    Can the screws fit into the holes in the fan itself just fine? If so: Make the holes in the case bigger (See: Drill). If not, go get some bolts and wing-nuts from a hardware store and rig it that way.

    Alternate alternate answer: Take 2 of the 4 screws out of the other fan, and use them for the new one. That way each has 2 screws! 50% isn't too bad, right?
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    The screws fit in to the fan about as well as they fit in to the case, which is to say they go about one turn in, end up a little slanted, and don't come out unless you yank them very hard.
  • XythXyth Avatar Join Date: 2003-11-04 Member: 22312Members
    Actually, I know the effect you are talking about. If you turn them hard enough they will align. It's just that the holes in the fan plastic are not threaded before you buy it. If you are forced to thread them yourself it causes a better grip, and cuts down on vibration.

    tl;dr: Needs more elbow grease.
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    I can understand having to force the screws through the plastic fan, but they also don't quite fit int he metal case, which I can't exactly alter just by turning real hard.
  • XythXyth Avatar Join Date: 2003-11-04 Member: 22312Members
    Just drill out the holes in teh case then, the metal is probably pretty thin. Then again, you might not have an electric drill <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />

    Or do my other option, use screws from the other fan. <- I'd do this one.
  • MonkfishMonkfish Sonic-boom-inducing buttcheeks of terrifying speed&#33; Join Date: 2003-06-03 Member: 16972Members
    Were the holes for the fan threaded? when I got a couple of case fans I had to thread the holes with the screws myself and just fudged the heads on all of them up.
  • ScytheScythe Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 46NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation, Reinforced - Silver
    All my case fans just clip in. No screws required.

    Neener-neener-neer-neer.

    --Scythe--
  • Cereal_KillRCereal_KillR Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1837Members
    Yes, sometimes the holes in the fans aren't threaded, so you'll actually need quite a lot of force for the screw to chew through the plastic.
    Fan screws are also larger than normal screws, I'm sure you have noticed that by now, and usually they are provided with the purchase of a new fan. Use these provided screws.

    An alternative way of attaching fans is by using rubber mounts such as <a href="http://www.pc-look.com/boutik/Prod_pc-look-Fixations-Ventilo-Anti-Vibrations-Pack-de-4-Noir__272_fr.html" target="_blank">these</a> , which are awfully expensive but will probably fit. For this, all you have to do is to first install it in the fan's holes (pull hard until it's locked in place) then put it facing the holes and do the same on the other side. Don't forget to check the direction of airflow before mounting, setting a fan backwards can wreck the flow and have negative effects.
  • MouseMouse The Lighter Side of Pessimism Join Date: 2002-03-02 Member: 263Members, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
  • Cereal_KillRCereal_KillR Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1837Members
    Well wouldn't zip ties make the fan vibrate, no matter how tight you set them?

    Note: don't try using "regular" rubber in a case (such as rubber bands), the heat usually weakens them and makes them break. I don't know what they did to those expensive mount peg things, but I'm sure you can find a cheaper alternative. Whatever you do, make sure that vibrations are kept to a minimum.
  • DrfuzzyDrfuzzy FEW... MORE.... INCHES... Join Date: 2003-09-21 Member: 21094Members
    Needs moar jiggawatts
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    All you have to do TC is delve into your nut&bolt jar and find screws that fit.

    What's that? You're not old enough to have accumulated much of a collection?

    Do what I do when such a situation arises: drive over to the neighborhood computer store, and they'll probably give you a bag of assorted screw for computers... works for me.

    No car? To young to have a license? Ride your bike silly. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    Nah, all the screws I have are too small or too big. None of them are "just right." I think I'm going to use some of those rubber grommet things they make for mounting fans; those ought to fit and they'll reduce the noise a bit too.
  • ConfusedConfused Wait. What? Join Date: 2003-01-28 Member: 12904Members, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Subnautica Playtester
    try something like

    <img src="http://www.active-robots.com/products/motorsandwheels/servo-motors/asb-02-750.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />

    for serious!
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    If I had any information about what any of that was I might be able to more effectively follow your advice.
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    Not sure exactly what they're called, but when you depress the head, the lower part expands.

    Hmmmm, let's call it a "plastic rivet". <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    Reverse Pop Rivet! (instead of pulling the head out you push it in)
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1643959:date=Aug 15 2007, 02:46 PM:name=Thansal)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thansal @ Aug 15 2007, 02:46 PM) [snapback]1643959[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Reverse Pop Rivet! (instead of pulling the head out you push it in)
    <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Ya forced me to Google it.... ... .. .

    Entry: reverse pop rivet, Results: insignificnt

    Entry: plastic rivet, Results: <img src="http://img.alibaba.com/photo/50171628/Plastic_Rivets.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" /> <img src="http://www.nifco.com/share/pdt/PUSHTURNRIVET.gif" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />

    Same as Confused', with a slightly smaller head. These just turn instead of push.
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    I never said they were actually called that.

    Just that they ARE the reverse of a pop rivet <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
  • HydraHydra Join Date: 2003-06-14 Member: 17366Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    I bought the exact same fan and installed it in my p180, and just revived this from the dead to say that its the fan for sure. I got 3 out of 4 screws all the way in and the last one halfway, and it holds it in just fine. It took some serious effort (plier were involve) to get the 3 in it, but on the upside it sure doesn't rattle.
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    I ended up just using those plastic thingies. Works fine. I guess I'll try pliers if I ever need to do it again because boy, those screws were tough.
  • schkorpioschkorpio I can mspaint Join Date: 2003-05-23 Member: 16635Members
    just get another fan that fits <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1646599:date=Aug 30 2007, 08:48 PM:name=schkorpio)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(schkorpio @ Aug 30 2007, 08:48 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1646599"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->just get another fan that fits <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    just read the thread <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
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