Soul_RiderMod BeanJoin Date: 2004-06-19Member: 29388Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue
Time to liven up the party.
You should all have received my Death PM.
(Anonymous?? How? It was contact sent by me, from my account. There is no anonymity. I could have just given everyone a code and and made it crackable by having a decode message. It was more fun using the website. Anonymous, i really don't think so, but we will discuss in the post game).
We know 3 wolves.
The first wolf to die will be <b>eternaly_lost</b> seeing as he was the first wolf found.
Now you're going to ask how can we trust you?
You can't but let me give a way to prove myself.
9 players left
5v4
Tonights vote will do one of two things. Kill a human, balancing the scores and giving the wolves a win without losing a single player.
We will kill a wolf, the wolves will kill a human at night, and tomorrow will be 4v3. We have to get 1 wolf everyday to win this game.
Any questions you have please direct towards me. Do NOT place a vote on me to "make me give more information". I will freely give all the information you require. There is only 5 votes required for instalynch. If you put a "vote to make me give more info". then the 4 remaining wolves can add to your vote and instalynch me and they have won the game.
So ask away or vote away. Either way let's get this show on the road.
Also in each of the two days who has been the person casting the last vote??
You guessed it....
Eternaly_lost.
Wolves need to make votes as late as possible to use their advantage, usually at least one will hold his vote right back so he isn't seen to be switching at the last moment, just sneaking in a last minute vote to avoid a phantom.
Soul_RiderMod BeanJoin Date: 2004-06-19Member: 29388Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue
Sorry for the triple, but i didn't mention why the first day voting is so important in convincing that eternaly_lost is a wolf...
Wolves are paranoid that everyone is out to get them... Actually there not paranoid because everyone is out to get them.
2 votes on a wolf in one day generally means bad news. The likelihood is that the the wolves felt that 1 of the 2 votes for eternally lost had come from the fact that they had been seered on night one and they were trying to be ousted early and felt one of the players voting for them was the seer.
This is very understandable behaviour.
It's also easy to say all this information is very "convenient" and just a bit too good, that I could just be a wolf trying to tie the game up, and that would be a valid point to make.
The trouble is with the scores as they are the wolves are trying to make as little noise as possible because they are only 1 day away from a win.
I'm sorry this is coming out so late in the game but still being new at this (this is only my 2nd game) I have made a few mistakes along the way. I have managed to put things together reasonably well, and although the story about me not being around for the end of the day was true, the real reason i tried to get it pushed forward was to try and blow the game as wide open as possible, but needed night for it to work.
Unfortunately my plan only 50% worked. 2 of the things i needed to put in place were succesful, 2 weren't and so now it really is balanced on a knife edge. One mistake and the humans have lost.
Soul_RiderMod BeanJoin Date: 2004-06-19Member: 29388Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue
Argh, I have just realised..
If this was a normal TWG the human team could take this home...
BUT
we have the potential game breaker in the artifact.
If the wolves get this that gives them an extra kill and thus it's game over humans.
So it's still possible for the wolves to win, although we know they haven't got it yet as Theslan announced it would be posted if someone has collected it.
<!--quoteo(post=1640019:date=Jul 21 2007, 04:42 PM:name=Xentor)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Xentor @ Jul 21 2007, 04:42 PM) [snapback]1640019[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> If you know three wolves, why not just name them all? Otherwise you could get wolfed tonight, and we'd be shooting in the dark again.... <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I could, but I want to make them sweat....
I already have the death PM's which name all three wolves...
I can resend those tonight (without out the ciphertext) or (the most likely) I can post in the thread before the end of the day.
Soul_RiderMod BeanJoin Date: 2004-06-19Member: 29388Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue
Just realised my vote for <b>eternaly_lost</b> might not count because i posted another message after that with other highlighted names, although they are both dead.
Must remember to use <i>Italics</i> when i want to emphasize things.
I am also casting my vote for Eternaly_lost, seeing as how the logic makes excellent sense, and through various conversations, also believe he is a wolf
I just skimmed through this topic because I didn't have much time. But to be honest, Soul Rider seems to be pointing fingers, that makes me a little wary of him.. After all, that'd be a good wolf tactic to some. Then again, he does have a few things against e_lost that I might be able to understand...if I was awake. I might change my vote later. Too tired to think straight. *casts an unlikely stone*
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Hmm I'm going to cast my vote for <b>Thansal</b> I wish I had logged the convo but the long and short of it is, due to E_lost dying, that confirmed my suspicions.
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I didn't have access to my logs at work so here is the rest of the info that I wanted to post...
Isamil was the Psychic - suspected by me after day 1 due to a conversation with TheFeniX, something he told me pointed to this, then the scalpel confirmed it.
TheFenix was the seer - Unfortunately he scanned me on Night 2 before I got my logs recording correctly so I cannot post the confirmation as I was intending to..
There is only 1 wolf left after today, that's why we could never find the 4th. The following shows my conversation with im_lost when it dawned on me how they were able to get the 2 main characters on night 2 and 3.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> [19:32] <im_lost> 07/22 11:29:00 <im_lost> they use the artifact during the day, not during the night [19:32] <im_lost> 07/22 11:29:24 <im_lost> no wolf dies that day [19:32] <IamSoulRider> What? [19:32] <im_lost> <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?s=5146140165712579584&showtopic=101504&pid=1628120&st=0&#entry1628120" target="_blank">http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index....p;#entry1628120</a> it's in there [19:34] <IamSoulRider> bugger, i though they had to announce in advance [19:34] <IamSoulRider> like day before or something. [19:35] <IamSoulRider> ###### i know how they got the psychic and the seer.... [19:35] <IamSoulRider> 3) Transparent minds (4): During the night, they can choose a player and listen into their minds. This could be the psychic/seer. Guardian is not affected [19:35] <IamSoulRider> by this. They can only do this 4 times. [19:35] <IamSoulRider> there are only 3 wolves [19:36] <im_lost> you really think they picked both of the right people? [19:36] <IamSoulRider> yes, look at my reasoning for why they went for them in the thread. THey thought if there is to votes, one of them is the seer. [19:37] <IamSoulRider> TheFenix unwittingly convinced the psychic to try this, who thought it would be good because he would find out [19:37] <IamSoulRider> they both tried to convince me to lynch him. [19:37] <IamSoulRider> the wolves check Isamil first, found he was the pyschic so knocked him off [19:38] <IamSoulRider> they then checked TheFenix night 2 and bang, both gone. [19:38] <im_lost> night 3, you mean [19:38] <im_lost> which would mean that they know he checked me [19:38] <IamSoulRider> yeah, sorry, no wolf kill night 1 [19:39] <IamSoulRider> so the score is actually 6v3 [19:39] <IamSoulRider> we have plenty of time.. [19:39] <im_lost> unless they just got lucky with those kills, based on the two votes on day 1 [19:39] <IamSoulRider> no, it was more than luck.. [19:40] <IamSoulRider> have you noticed that we could never find a 4th wolf, this explains why, there isn't one. [19:40] <im_lost> there's some evidence for three different people being the third wolf [19:41] <IamSoulRider> only after what has happened during the day today though. [19:42] <IamSoulRider> Nightstalker was brought into the fake seer network last. This means logically, he was probably human the same as you, BUT i have never spoken to him, nor [19:42] <IamSoulRider> him to me.. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Logical deduction meant that nighstalker was not the 3rd wolf. Thansal was running a fake seer, with eternaly_lost as his first "seered" player.
They added a human in im_lost next, so the logical deduction was they were going to add another human after, then try and get at the humans who were left.
This virtually confirms nightstalker as a human. After her vote on me, which with nightstalker tagging along as an unwitting human, and then the 2 wolves of Thansal and Eternaly_lost they could have put 4 votes on me, that would not have been enough for instalynch. If there were 4 wolves, there would have been enough for the instalynch.
Hence Ana gave herself away as the 3rd wolf. She will die tomorrow. There were only 3 wolves in this game, and I think they done a damn fine job. May I say this has been one of the most exciting games around recently...
Please now make up your minds and vote as you see fit.
That was obviously when there were 9 players in the game. Now there are just 2 wolves and the rest humans.
At this point, I'm stopping the game. Reason being is that the last wolf is inactive (based on the amount of moves that he/she has been sending to me for the past few nights).
<!--coloro:#33CC00--><span style="color:#33CC00"><!--/coloro-->Humans won<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->, but not in a fashion I would like to see. More comments in the post game.
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You should all have received my Death PM.
(Anonymous?? How? It was contact sent by me, from my account. There is no anonymity. I could have just given everyone a code and and made it crackable by having a decode message. It was more fun using the website. Anonymous, i really don't think so, but we will discuss in the post game).
We know 3 wolves.
The first wolf to die will be <b>eternaly_lost</b> seeing as he was the first wolf found.
Now you're going to ask how can we trust you?
You can't but let me give a way to prove myself.
9 players left
5v4
Tonights vote will do one of two things. Kill a human, balancing the scores and giving the wolves a win without losing a single player.
We will kill a wolf, the wolves will kill a human at night, and tomorrow will be 4v3. We have to get 1 wolf everyday to win this game.
Any questions you have please direct towards me. Do NOT place a vote on me to "make me give more information". I will freely give all the information you require. There is only 5 votes required for instalynch. If you put a "vote to make me give more info". then the 4 remaining wolves can add to your vote and instalynch me and they have won the game.
So ask away or vote away. Either way let's get this show on the road.
Look at the day 1 voting table:
doomchica (4) - Thansal, Soul_Rider, Nightstalker, Eternaly_lost
<b>Eternaly_lost (2) - TheFeniX, Isamil</b>
Ana (1) - im_lost
Nightstalker (1) - Petco
Petco (1) - Faskalia
Soulrider (1) - Xentor
Kassinger (1) - Ana
Also in each of the two days who has been the person casting the last vote??
You guessed it....
Eternaly_lost.
Wolves need to make votes as late as possible to use their advantage, usually at least one will hold his vote right back so he isn't seen to be switching at the last moment, just sneaking in a last minute vote to avoid a phantom.
Wolves are paranoid that everyone is out to get them... Actually there not paranoid because everyone is out to get them.
2 votes on a wolf in one day generally means bad news. The likelihood is that the the wolves felt that 1 of the 2 votes for eternally lost had come from the fact that they had been seered on night one and they were trying to be ousted early and felt one of the players voting for them was the seer.
This is very understandable behaviour.
It's also easy to say all this information is very "convenient" and just a bit too good, that I could just be a wolf trying to tie the game up, and that would be a valid point to make.
The trouble is with the scores as they are the wolves are trying to make as little noise as possible because they are only 1 day away from a win.
I'm sorry this is coming out so late in the game but still being new at this (this is only my 2nd game) I have made a few mistakes along the way. I have managed to put things together reasonably well, and although the story about me not being around for the end of the day was true, the real reason i tried to get it pushed forward was to try and blow the game as wide open as possible, but needed night for it to work.
Unfortunately my plan only 50% worked. 2 of the things i needed to put in place were succesful, 2 weren't and so now it really is balanced on a knife edge. One mistake and the humans have lost.
It is up to you to decide.
If this was a normal TWG the human team could take this home...
BUT
we have the potential game breaker in the artifact.
If the wolves get this that gives them an extra kill and thus it's game over humans.
So it's still possible for the wolves to win, although we know they haven't got it yet as Theslan announced it would be posted if someone has collected it.
<!--quoteo(post=1640019:date=Jul 21 2007, 04:42 PM:name=Xentor)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Xentor @ Jul 21 2007, 04:42 PM) [snapback]1640019[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
If you know three wolves, why not just name them all? Otherwise you could get wolfed tonight, and we'd be shooting in the dark again....
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I could, but I want to make them sweat....
I already have the death PM's which name all three wolves...
I can resend those tonight (without out the ciphertext) or (the most likely) I can post in the thread before the end of the day.
It really doesn't matter...
Lets build a cross, pray and then nail <b>Eternaly_lost</b> to it.
Must remember to use <i>Italics</i> when i want to emphasize things.
This puts the votecount at
Eternaly_Lost (3) - Soul Rider, Faskalia, Nightstalker
Those who haven't voted :
Eternaly_Lost
im lost
Xentor
Thansal
Petco
Ana
<b>Soul_Rider</b>
Eternaly_Lost (3) - Soul Rider, Faskalia, Xentor
(Nightstalker's vote didn't count, since it wasn't bold... Try that again)
Those who haven't voted :
Nightstalker
Eternaly_Lost
im lost
Thansal
Petco
Ana
Eternaly_Lost (3) - Soul Rider, Faskalia, Xentor
Soul_Rider (1) - Ana
Those who haven't voted :
Nightstalker
Eternaly_Lost
im lost
Thansal
Petco
Eternaly_Lost (3) - Soul_Rider, Faskalia, Xentor
Soul_Rider (1) - Ana
Those who haven't voted:
Nightstalker (Forgot to bold)
Eternaly_Lost
im_lost
Thansal
Petco
Eternaly Lost, are you planning to post? I know you were in IRC after Soul Rider made his post.
Vote count:
Eternaly_Lost (4) - Soul_Rider, Faskalia, Xentor, im lost
Soul_Rider (1) - Ana
Those who haven't voted:
Nightstalker (Forgot to bold)
Eternaly_Lost
Thansal
Petco
Instalynch, 5 votes.
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<!--coloro:#CC0000--><span style="color:#CC0000"><!--/coloro-->Eternaly_lost<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--> is dead.
Night 3 will end at Monday, 8pm PST.
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Rooms:
1 - Manager Trailer
2 - Circus Trailers
3 - Circus
4 - Museum
5 - Gift shop/Vendors
6 - Houses (red)
7 - Houses (green)
8 - Community Center
9 - Fields (red)
10 - Fields (green)
Psychic (if alive), you'll get your PM shortly. Guardian/seer (if alive), please PM me your choice. Wolves, PM me your target. Anyone with items that want to use them, PM me. And why not.... everyone else, PM your room searches. There are no room restrictions for this night.
Players remaining:
1. Soul Rider [Trained Monkey]
2. im lost [Tightrope walker]
3. Xentor [Fire breather]
4. Nightstalker [Security]
5. Faskalia [RingMaster]
6. Thansal [Strong man]
7. Petco [Security]
8. Ana [Blind Costume Designer]
NOTE: Players that have send me information before this post, it is considered invalid. Please send again.
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Story pending story pending story pending.... >.<
<b><!--coloro:#CC0000--><span style="color:#CC0000"><!--/coloro-->im lost<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--></b> is dead.
Players remaining:
1. Soul Rider [Trained Monkey]
2. Xentor [Fire breather]
3. Nightstalker [Security]
4. Faskalia [RingMaster]
5. Thansal [Strong man]
6. Petco [Security]
7. Ana [Blind Costume Designer]
Instanlynch is 4 votes. Day 5 ends at Wednesday, 8pm PST.
I have some important information to post so please leave this day until i can get this added.
Isamil was the Psychic - suspected by me after day 1 due to a conversation with TheFeniX, something he told me pointed to this, then the scalpel confirmed it.
TheFenix was the seer - Unfortunately he scanned me on Night 2 before I got my logs recording correctly so I cannot post the confirmation as I was intending to..
There is only 1 wolf left after today, that's why we could never find the 4th. The following shows my conversation with im_lost when it dawned on me how they were able to get the 2 main characters on night 2 and 3.
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[19:32] <im_lost> 07/22 11:29:00 <im_lost> they use the artifact during the day, not during the night
[19:32] <im_lost> 07/22 11:29:24 <im_lost> no wolf dies that day
[19:32] <IamSoulRider> What?
[19:32] <im_lost> <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?s=5146140165712579584&showtopic=101504&pid=1628120&st=0&#entry1628120" target="_blank">http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index....p;#entry1628120</a> it's in there
[19:34] <IamSoulRider> bugger, i though they had to announce in advance
[19:34] <IamSoulRider> like day before or something.
[19:35] <IamSoulRider> ###### i know how they got the psychic and the seer....
[19:35] <IamSoulRider> 3) Transparent minds (4): During the night, they can choose a player and listen into their minds. This could be the psychic/seer. Guardian is not affected
[19:35] <IamSoulRider> by this. They can only do this 4 times.
[19:35] <IamSoulRider> there are only 3 wolves
[19:36] <im_lost> you really think they picked both of the right people?
[19:36] <IamSoulRider> yes, look at my reasoning for why they went for them in the thread. THey thought if there is to votes, one of them is the seer.
[19:37] <IamSoulRider> TheFenix unwittingly convinced the psychic to try this, who thought it would be good because he would find out
[19:37] <IamSoulRider> they both tried to convince me to lynch him.
[19:37] <IamSoulRider> the wolves check Isamil first, found he was the pyschic so knocked him off
[19:38] <IamSoulRider> they then checked TheFenix night 2 and bang, both gone.
[19:38] <im_lost> night 3, you mean
[19:38] <im_lost> which would mean that they know he checked me
[19:38] <IamSoulRider> yeah, sorry, no wolf kill night 1
[19:39] <IamSoulRider> so the score is actually 6v3
[19:39] <IamSoulRider> we have plenty of time..
[19:39] <im_lost> unless they just got lucky with those kills, based on the two votes on day 1
[19:39] <IamSoulRider> no, it was more than luck..
[19:40] <IamSoulRider> have you noticed that we could never find a 4th wolf, this explains why, there isn't one.
[19:40] <im_lost> there's some evidence for three different people being the third wolf
[19:41] <IamSoulRider> only after what has happened during the day today though.
[19:42] <IamSoulRider> Nightstalker was brought into the fake seer network last. This means logically, he was probably human the same as you, BUT i have never spoken to him, nor
[19:42] <IamSoulRider> him to me..
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Logical deduction meant that nighstalker was not the 3rd wolf. Thansal was running a fake seer, with eternaly_lost as his first "seered" player.
They added a human in im_lost next, so the logical deduction was they were going to add another human after, then try and get at the humans who were left.
This virtually confirms nightstalker as a human. After her vote on me, which with nightstalker tagging along as an unwitting human, and then the 2 wolves of Thansal and Eternaly_lost they could have put 4 votes on me, that would not have been enough for instalynch. If there were 4 wolves, there would have been enough for the instalynch.
Hence Ana gave herself away as the 3rd wolf. She will die tomorrow. There were only 3 wolves in this game, and I think they done a damn fine job. May I say this has been one of the most exciting games around recently...
Please now make up your minds and vote as you see fit.
That was obviously when there were 9 players in the game. Now there are just 2 wolves and the rest humans.
[02:18] <WillBeRevealed> Isamil was the psychic
[02:32] <SoulRider> damn it
Not much I know and quite easily fakeable, but what can i say, it's not..
(Sorry, Theslan... You're never gonna catch up on the stories now.)
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At this point, I'm stopping the game. Reason being is that the last wolf is inactive (based on the amount of moves that he/she has been sending to me for the past few nights).
<!--coloro:#33CC00--><span style="color:#33CC00"><!--/coloro-->Humans won<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->, but not in a fashion I would like to see. More comments in the post game.