<!--quoteo(post=1637927:date=Jul 8 2007, 06:47 PM:name=sherpa)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(sherpa @ Jul 8 2007, 06:47 PM) [snapback]1637927[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> i've been looking at moving to america and id like to sort out a job prior to going, but the only ones being offered to overseas people are like cleaning ladies/ski lift operators where the pay is $6/hour and that's like, half of the minimum wage in the UK...
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whilst ur concerns about work are valid, i dont get why u can only get such crappy low paid work? surely you can get better then that? im not worrying about it till i get over there, im gonna enjoy this adrenaline <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
<!--quoteo(post=1637903:date=Jul 8 2007, 08:37 AM:name=Kassinger)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Kassinger @ Jul 8 2007, 08:37 AM) [snapback]1637903[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> There is not much to worry about when it comes to US relationship with other western countries, at worst they might be slightly strained, but Europe/Australia etc will always have close ties to US. More critical is the relationship and the impression the US makes on the Muslim (specifically Arabic-Muslim) world, and the long-term relationship to Russia.
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They shouldn't neglect Latin America either, for some countries have quite a growing dislike for America and their policies(namely Venezuela, Bolivia and Ecuador)
To the OP:
I don't have any tips since I'm not American (no ######) but good luck <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
Oh, I think I'm doing the same thing in like 4 or so years but the destination would be Toronto.
<!--quoteo(post=1637892:date=Jul 8 2007, 06:48 AM:name=Moquiao)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Moquiao @ Jul 8 2007, 06:48 AM) [snapback]1637892[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->as for NY itself, i will be moving to upstate ny, around the woodstock area. purely cos my friend is there, and its near the canadian border(ish) <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Winter is kinda um cold there with snow, tons of snow. (ie: Buffalo, NY)
<!--quoteo(post=1637895:date=Jul 8 2007, 07:15 AM:name=Depot)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Depot @ Jul 8 2007, 07:15 AM) [snapback]1637895[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I lived in upstate N.Y. for 12 years, a very short ride from Woodstock (Hudson). The people are fast-paced and rude, as a rule, and look pale as if sickly (remember, I live in Florida... they don't get enough sun). Oh, you won't find tea and crumpets at 3:00pm either. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> Woodstock has some badass candle and leather shops on the main drag, remnants from Woodstock1, and you'll see a lot of old people running around in togas etc. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think he should come to Louisville, KY. He's got me and a DrFuzzy here from these forums. I could help you get a job here pretty easily. What kind of work experience do you have? What kind of credentials?
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Good for you! This is what is called the "American Dream" The sad part is that only immigrants seem to appreciate this, most US citizens just whine about what they don't have. It's just the human condition, we never appreciate what we have or what we can try to achive until it's gone.
<!--quoteo(post=1637938:date=Jul 8 2007, 04:00 PM:name=Svenpa)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Svenpa @ Jul 8 2007, 04:00 PM) [snapback]1637938[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I've always wondered how different (and difficult) it would be to change side on the road. Are some rules reversed or what? <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, yes actually. It's not that hard honestly. I've been in other nations that drive down the left lane and it's odd but after awhile you get used to it. I will say however that you need to get used to it and get a liscense and insurance before you do it here.
The one thing most of the US lacks though in most cities is a good means of mass transit. NYC and Chigago have good subways, taxis, and trains. But most of the US you need a car or a motocycle to get around.
PS: Car insurance sucks. And I mean that somewhat literally, it's one of my biggest damn bills. If I could get around my city using some sort of 24/7 subway system I'd love to not have to use my car and pay for insurance, gas, and maintance -- stupid TARC buses just don't cut it. Oh yeah gasoline... ~3.15/gallon where I live currently while I know for a FACT in Kuait it's $0.30/gallon. That's messed up.
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edited July 2007
<!--quoteo(post=1637946:date=Jul 8 2007, 05:59 PM:name=the_x5)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(the_x5 @ Jul 8 2007, 05:59 PM) [snapback]1637946[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> PS: Car insurance sucks. And I mean that somewhat literally, it's one of my biggest damn bills. If I could get around my city using some sort of 24/7 subway system I'd love to not have to use my car and pay for insurance, gas, and maintance -- stupid TARC buses just don't cut it. Oh yeah gasoline... ~3.15/gallon where I live currently while I know for a FACT in Kuait it's $0.30/gallon. That's messed up. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> yah, I was gona bring this up. Be prepared to get your self a used car and pay through the nose for insurance. I live in NYC my self and count it a blessing that I only drop around $20 a week on transportation (that gets me to/from work on the MTA)
If you want to get an idea of what is available job wise check out <a href="http://geo.craigslist.org/iso/us/ny" target="_blank">Craig's List</a> for the area that you will be moving to.
You can look up possible jobs, used cars, places to rent, etc etc.
Oh, one of the nifty things about being in NY is that you can get to NYC relatively quickly via train (easy enough to do like day trips in to see a play or something).
Good luck, you have more balls that I do for trying this.
Oh, yah, I will second x5 on the entire upstate NY winter thing. The snow is amazing up there (we get a much tamer version in NYC)
Hudson Valley or The Catskills would apply on the Craigs List, according to where he's going. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink-fix.gif" />
... and the snow's just average in Woodstock - you're hundreds of miles from Buffalo.
He said he <i>might</i> be going there, Depot. I still think he should do a road trip if he can. Get to know the real US. Get a motorcycle, hit the road, and score some chicks while your at it. Of course that still requires money if you are kind of short on that, so first things first you might want to focus on getting a job.
Oh and while mentioning it. The southeastern US has been getting flamed a lot but I think you'd probably be shocked to find that it is there that you'll find the most hospital public in general. Your average northeast New Englander is going to be kind rude. Of course it's all individuals that are all different but I'm talking from my generalization of the people in those regions.
well, transport wise, i can ride a motorbike, but the powers that be, police. took my license a while ago <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> i might just learn to drive out there, never been a car person.
and yes, its woodstock/kingston i honestly dont have more details then around that area atm, cos crys moves around alot! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
workwise, i got all my standard gcse's, Alevel IT, and im a qualified electrical engineer.
i think the idea of lots of snow.. is made of pure awesome <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> not had more then 3 inches of snow for like 15 years in theuk
some people wanted to know more about the trip, so i put up a blogspot thingy <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
you might find it interesting maybe not <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
ty for that craig's list thing ill take a looksie later
<!--quoteo(post=1638045:date=Jul 9 2007, 05:37 AM:name=the_x5)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(the_x5 @ Jul 9 2007, 05:37 AM) [snapback]1638045[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> He said he <i>might</i> be going there, Depot. [...] <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->got a friend to stay with in upstate new york, she is gonna hook me up for as long as i need
as for NY itself, i will be moving to upstate ny, around the woodstock area. purely cos my friend is there, and its near the canadian border(ish)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Sounds rather clearcut to me x5.... <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
Btw Moquiao, you're not THAT close to the Canadian border, guessing maybe 250 - 300 miles. If you decide to wander some, head south - it's easier acclimating to the heat than it is the damn frigidness (referring to weather AND people).
Wow... I wish you the best of luck. I've been thinking about moving to America as well. I'll pay attention to your blog <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
<!--quoteo(post=1638056:date=Jul 9 2007, 07:07 AM:name=Depot)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Depot @ Jul 9 2007, 07:07 AM) [snapback]1638056[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Sounds rather clearcut to me x5.... <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> Btw Moquiao, you're not THAT close to the Canadian border, guessing maybe 250 - 300 miles. If you decide to wander some, head south - it's easier acclimating to the heat than it is the damn frigidness (referring to weather AND people). <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> /me throws some snow at Depot. I've always found it easier to acclimate to cold than hot <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
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<!--quoteo(post=1638060:date=Jul 9 2007, 08:40 AM:name=KungFuDiscoMonkey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(KungFuDiscoMonkey @ Jul 9 2007, 08:40 AM) [snapback]1638060[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> /me throws some snow at Depot. I've always found it easier to acclimate to cold than hot <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> QFT
That, and don't believe Depot's (or any one else's) slander against various areas.
I assume you have been around to different areas of the UK, people are people world wide.
Sure, if you end up in some snooty upper class neighborhood you are gona feel outta place probably. You are gona find good people and crummy people no matter where you go, so don't worry about it.
Admitedly, I agree, if you get a chance you should look around the country. There are some nifty things to see (As well as a good chunk of boring).
Again, good luck <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
<!--quoteo(post=1637928:date=Jul 8 2007, 01:18 PM:name=404NotFound)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(404NotFound @ Jul 8 2007, 01:18 PM) [snapback]1637928[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Manuals here, with the exception of sports cars, are driven mostly by teenagers/early20s peeps. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> good to hear at least someone still drives them in america
i couldnt even imagine what it'd feel like to drive an automatic, probably stupid as hell
I assume you have been around to different areas of the UK, people are people world wide.
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yeah, to be honest, i dont think ill find it a huge shock, been to the states a few times on trips. met alot of people from the states, and ive lived all over the uk, from london to manchester to scotland..
I consider myself a people person, please allow me to issue exhibit A
I cried when readin the replies from clangwen(read and see)
truly touching for me <3 really didnt think people would be that fussed.
im getting thru the initial excitement, and starting to embark on the workload now <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
<!--quoteo(post=1638060:date=Jul 9 2007, 08:40 AM:name=KungFuDiscoMonkey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(KungFuDiscoMonkey @ Jul 9 2007, 08:40 AM) [snapback]1638060[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> /me throws some snow at Depot. I've always found it easier to acclimate to cold than hot <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I've lived in the extremes of both, have you? All you have to do to fend off the heat is properly hydrate and dress properly. In the severe cold, it doesn't matter how many layers you put on, that stuff will cut through you like a knife. Even running, I've done 10k in 100f heat and laughed at it, and 18m at 5f with a 15mph wind, and have never been colder in my life. <!--quoteo(post=1638062:date=Jul 9 2007, 08:49 AM:name=Thansal)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thansal @ Jul 9 2007, 08:49 AM) [snapback]1638062[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> QFT
That, and don't believe Depot's (or any one else's) slander against various areas.
[...] <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Doubt you've lived where he's going or even been there - I have. As far as the people go, upstaters aren't as rude and in as much of a hurry as the city folk are.
And saying Woodstock is full of old old hippies is slanderous? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
<!--quoteo(post=1638082:date=Jul 9 2007, 11:02 AM:name=Depot)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Depot @ Jul 9 2007, 11:02 AM) [snapback]1638082[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> I've lived in the extremes of both, have you? All you have to do to fend off the heat is properly hydrate and dress properly. In the severe cold, it doesn't matter how many layers you put on, that stuff will cut through you like a knife. Even running, I've done 10k in 100f heat and laughed at it, and 18m at 5f with a 15mph wind, and have never been colder in my life. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Backpacking in the mountains during the winter and then hiking in the summer. I prefer the cold.
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<!--quoteo(post=1638091:date=Jul 9 2007, 11:50 AM:name=Depot)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Depot @ Jul 9 2007, 11:50 AM) [snapback]1638091[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> heh... my girlfriend is the same way - absolutely cannot tolerate any kind of heat, while I'm out there cutting the grass in it. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> See, 75% of people prefer cold.
You are obviously the freak of nature here. (disregard the fact that the sample size (4) is ridiculously small).
however, for some slightly more scientific evidence: One of the early "everybody votes" polls was if you prefer hot or cold, and the majority of people (by around 5-10%) said cold. Not at home thus don't have the actual data.
<!--quoteo(post=1638094:date=Jul 9 2007, 11:57 AM:name=Thansal)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thansal @ Jul 9 2007, 11:57 AM) [snapback]1638094[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> See, 75% of people prefer cold.
You are obviously the freak of nature here. (disregard the fact that the sample size (4) is ridiculously small).
however, for some slightly more scientific evidence: One of the early "everybody votes" polls was if you prefer hot or cold, and the majority of people (by around 5-10%) said cold. Not at home thus don't have the actual data. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> And you're just now realizing I'm a freak of nature? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wow.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":0" border="0" alt="wow.gif" />
<!--quoteo(post=1638094:date=Jul 9 2007, 11:57 AM:name=Thansal)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thansal @ Jul 9 2007, 11:57 AM) [snapback]1638094[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> See, 75% of people prefer cold.
You are obviously the freak of nature here. (disregard the fact that the sample size (4) is ridiculously small).
however, for some slightly more scientific evidence: One of the early "everybody votes" polls was if you prefer hot or cold, and the majority of people (by around 5-10%) said cold. Not at home thus don't have the actual data. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> if you looked by state, all the people in hot states said they preferred cold and vice versa <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" /> the grass is always greener...
True DZ, but how many have experienced both enough to give an unbiased oppinion?
As noted, it's actually a matter of preference. I love the heat, my own daddy hasn't been to Florida since WWII when he was here for basic training - he cannot tolerate the heat. I do sympathize with those having to tolerate the current heat wave.
I much prefer some nice 100F weather with some nice thunderstorms...but I also run around barefoot in the snow, so I might just be exceptionally strange.
You could always try the Midwest, it's like a strange mix between the industrial north and the bible thumping south...with more cows, and the 'universal American accent'. Plus we get the extreme colds of 0-10 degree weather and the hots of 80-100+. Unfortunately, if you want to do something that ventures outside the realm of physical sciences, horticulture, or agriculture you might have trouble getting a job in many places. Generally low crime rates all around, but we've also got Chicago and Detroit, if for some reason you ever wanted to know what it's like to get shot at <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" /> .
Let me just check off some things I've noted between former East Germany and the US, maybe they'll be of help: ((in) The US...) -has bigger cars -Fresh produce is less important and Americans like to buy in bulk. -has about 800x more kinds of soda. -the beer is more watery and 'lite' -there are very few Döner shops (they are replaced by American-Mexican food <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> ) -cereals are generally more sugary but also less stale-tasting -(for the Eastern US) there is less rain and the temperatures are more extreme. -there are no fees for having a television (or radio, if the UK is like that), you buy it and hook it up to an antenna...cable is different, and costs money. -shirts have larger, more open collars (T-shirts, anyway) -the police and 'citizen office' don't need a picture of you and your recent domestic history, because they don't exist in the US...you just might want to mention where you're moving to at the DMV and post office and that should probably cover you -credit cards are accepted far more frequently -public transportation majorly sucks -there is no soft-porn on TV at 3 in the morning, unless you've paid for it. -recycling is far less frequent, far less universal (if you try to recycle the plastic on a DVD case people will look at you like you're crazy) and far less popular
...I'm sure there's many, many other things, but hopefully that's helpful, even though it's coming from a comparison with a completely different part of Europe (also, opinions are subject to subjectivity <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> ).
well i prefer heat... now that our sample size is 5, it would seem that 3/5 of people in fact prefer the cold.
Its hard to judge though. Because i live in Australia, which at least by canadian border standards is quite warm. I like to ski, yes u CAN ski in Australia lol, but even in the Australian alps i would say the temperature rarely gets an average temperature as low as the region ure talking about.
PS: skiing sucks in australia. If youre used to Rocky slopes or the swiss alps and then come ski here you will lol. But i guess it may be a novelty for euros/americans to ski down a slope and think to him/herself "lol im skiing in Australia" or "where the hell are all the pine trees?"
Oh yeah, good luck with the trip! I would never have the balls to do what ure doing. Good Luck!! One of my future travel goals is to roadtrip the US.
And to Americans that COMPLAIN about petrol (gas) prices... how does that song go? "...you dont know what you've got till its gone"!!! Over here i pay at least 1.20 a LITRE! if u wanna work out how much that is a gallon found a conversion table lol.
anyone who says they like the cold hasnt witnessed it in their life.
if you want cold, try -30 degrees celsius with a nice breeze of about 10m/s thrown in for added effect. then start riding a bike against the wind.
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umm... im sorry but 1,20 (aussie dollars) is a bargain. try this: €1,335 euros per litre, that's about 2,1 AUD
i lost track of what u were all going on ab out <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
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edited July 2007
yah, gas is cheap in the US, Possibly because we don't have to buy it all from OPEC?
Though I will stick with TOmekki, it looks like it is about 3.92 USD per gallon in AUS, vs around 6.9 USD for euro land.
<!--quoteo(post=1638190:date=Jul 10 2007, 07:08 AM:name=Moquiao)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Moquiao @ Jul 10 2007, 07:08 AM) [snapback]1638190[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> and so the thread has derailed! xD
i lost track of what u were all going on ab out <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> The standard pissing contest between nations.
And I jsut felt like pointing out that gas is cheaper here (fluctuating around $3.5 depending on where/when you are). The counter balance is that you will probably have to drive mroe <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
<!--quoteo(post=1638191:date=Jul 10 2007, 07:08 AM:name=Thansal)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thansal @ Jul 10 2007, 07:08 AM) [snapback]1638191[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> yah, gas is cheap in the US, Possibly because we don't have to buy it all from OPEC?
Though I will stick with TOmekki, it looks like it is about 3.92 USD per gallon in AUS, vs around 6.9 USD for euro land. The standard pissing contest between nations.
And I jsut felt like pointing out that gas is cheaper here (fluctuating around $3.5 depending on where/when you are). The counter balance is that you will probably have to drive mroe <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Don't you live in NYC? No one drives in NYC - everyone takes the train or subway silly.
Moquiao, did ya decide to leave your computer over there?
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probably have to drive more.
NYC and a few (not many) other large cities have decent public transportation, most places you basically have to have a car (or I guess a motorcycle or something).
I think he said he was leaving his comp for his dad as a sorta retirement present.
Hey, on the note of that blog post. What games does your dad play? (Curiosity)
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i've been looking at moving to america and id like to sort out a job prior to going, but the only ones being offered to overseas people are like cleaning ladies/ski lift operators where the pay is $6/hour and that's like, half of the minimum wage in the UK...
plus i heard in the first couple of years you won't get more than a couple weeks holiday, in the UK you're looking at at least 5 weeks (as in mon-fri = 25 days)
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whilst ur concerns about work are valid, i dont get why u can only get such crappy low paid work? surely you can get better then that? im not worrying about it till i get over there, im gonna enjoy this adrenaline <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
I resemble that statement! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":angry:" border="0" alt="mad-fix.gif" />
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There is not much to worry about when it comes to US relationship with other western countries, at worst they might be slightly strained, but Europe/Australia etc will always have close ties to US. More critical is the relationship and the impression the US makes on the Muslim (specifically Arabic-Muslim) world, and the long-term relationship to Russia.
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They shouldn't neglect Latin America either, for some countries have quite a growing dislike for America and their policies(namely Venezuela, Bolivia and Ecuador)
To the OP:
I don't have any tips since I'm not American (no ######) but good luck <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
Oh, I think I'm doing the same thing in like 4 or so years but the destination would be Toronto.
Again, good luck.
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Winter is kinda um cold there with snow, tons of snow. (ie: Buffalo, NY)
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I think he should come to Louisville, KY. He's got me and a DrFuzzy here from these forums. I could help you get a job here pretty easily. What kind of work experience do you have? What kind of credentials?
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Good for you! This is what is called the "American Dream" The sad part is that only immigrants seem to appreciate this, most US citizens just whine about what they don't have. It's just the human condition, we never appreciate what we have or what we can try to achive until it's gone.
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Well, yes actually. It's not that hard honestly. I've been in other nations that drive down the left lane and it's odd but after awhile you get used to it. I will say however that you need to get used to it and get a liscense and insurance before you do it here.
The one thing most of the US lacks though in most cities is a good means of mass transit. NYC and Chigago have good subways, taxis, and trains. But most of the US you need a car or a motocycle to get around.
PS: Car insurance sucks. And I mean that somewhat literally, it's one of my biggest damn bills. If I could get around my city using some sort of 24/7 subway system I'd love to not have to use my car and pay for insurance, gas, and maintance -- stupid TARC buses just don't cut it. Oh yeah gasoline... ~3.15/gallon where I live currently while I know for a FACT in Kuait it's $0.30/gallon. That's messed up.
PS: Car insurance sucks. And I mean that somewhat literally, it's one of my biggest damn bills. If I could get around my city using some sort of 24/7 subway system I'd love to not have to use my car and pay for insurance, gas, and maintance -- stupid TARC buses just don't cut it. Oh yeah gasoline... ~3.15/gallon where I live currently while I know for a FACT in Kuait it's $0.30/gallon. That's messed up.
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yah, I was gona bring this up.
Be prepared to get your self a used car and pay through the nose for insurance. I live in NYC my self and count it a blessing that I only drop around $20 a week on transportation (that gets me to/from work on the MTA)
If you want to get an idea of what is available job wise check out <a href="http://geo.craigslist.org/iso/us/ny" target="_blank">Craig's List</a> for the area that you will be moving to.
You can look up possible jobs, used cars, places to rent, etc etc.
Oh, one of the nifty things about being in NY is that you can get to NYC relatively quickly via train (easy enough to do like day trips in to see a play or something).
Good luck, you have more balls that I do for trying this.
Oh, yah, I will second x5 on the entire upstate NY winter thing. The snow is amazing up there (we get a much tamer version in NYC)
... and the snow's just average in Woodstock - you're hundreds of miles from Buffalo.
Oh and while mentioning it. The southeastern US has been getting flamed a lot but I think you'd probably be shocked to find that it is there that you'll find the most hospital public in general. Your average northeast New Englander is going to be kind rude. Of course it's all individuals that are all different but I'm talking from my generalization of the people in those regions.
and yes, its woodstock/kingston i honestly dont have more details then around that area atm, cos crys moves around alot! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
workwise, i got all my standard gcse's, Alevel IT, and im a qualified electrical engineer.
i think the idea of lots of snow.. is made of pure awesome <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> not had more then 3 inches of snow for like 15 years in theuk
some people wanted to know more about the trip, so i put up a blogspot thingy <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
<a href="http://faithusa.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://faithusa.blogspot.com/</a>
you might find it interesting maybe not <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
ty for that craig's list thing ill take a looksie later
He said he <i>might</i> be going there, Depot. [...]
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Sounds rather clearcut to me x5.... <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
Btw Moquiao, you're not THAT close to the Canadian border, guessing maybe 250 - 300 miles. If you decide to wander some, head south - it's easier acclimating to the heat than it is the damn frigidness (referring to weather AND people).
Sounds rather clearcut to me x5.... <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
Btw Moquiao, you're not THAT close to the Canadian border, guessing maybe 250 - 300 miles. If you decide to wander some, head south - it's easier acclimating to the heat than it is the damn frigidness (referring to weather AND people).
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/me throws some snow at Depot. I've always found it easier to acclimate to cold than hot <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
/me throws some snow at Depot. I've always found it easier to acclimate to cold than hot <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
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QFT
That, and don't believe Depot's (or any one else's) slander against various areas.
I assume you have been around to different areas of the UK, people are people world wide.
Sure, if you end up in some snooty upper class neighborhood you are gona feel outta place probably. You are gona find good people and crummy people no matter where you go, so don't worry about it.
Admitedly, I agree, if you get a chance you should look around the country. There are some nifty things to see (As well as a good chunk of boring).
Again, good luck <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
Manuals here, with the exception of sports cars, are driven mostly by teenagers/early20s peeps.
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good to hear at least someone still drives them in america
i couldnt even imagine what it'd feel like to drive an automatic, probably stupid as hell
I assume you have been around to different areas of the UK, people are people world wide.
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yeah, to be honest, i dont think ill find it a huge shock, been to the states a few times on trips. met alot of people from the states, and ive lived all over the uk, from london to manchester to scotland..
I consider myself a people person, please allow me to issue exhibit A
I cried when readin the replies from clangwen(read and see)
<a href="http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=299085326&sid=1" target="_blank">http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?t...85326&sid=1</a>
truly touching for me <3 really didnt think people would be that fussed.
im getting thru the initial excitement, and starting to embark on the workload now <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
/me throws some snow at Depot. I've always found it easier to acclimate to cold than hot <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
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I've lived in the extremes of both, have you? All you have to do to fend off the heat is properly hydrate and dress properly. In the severe cold, it doesn't matter how many layers you put on, that stuff will cut through you like a knife. Even running, I've done 10k in 100f heat and laughed at it, and 18m at 5f with a 15mph wind, and have never been colder in my life.
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QFT
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Doubt you've lived where he's going or even been there - I have. As far as the people go, upstaters aren't as rude and in as much of a hurry as the city folk are.
And saying Woodstock is full of old old hippies is slanderous? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
I've lived in the extremes of both, have you? All you have to do to fend off the heat is properly hydrate and dress properly. In the severe cold, it doesn't matter how many layers you put on, that stuff will cut through you like a knife. Even running, I've done 10k in 100f heat and laughed at it, and 18m at 5f with a 15mph wind, and have never been colder in my life.
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Backpacking in the mountains during the winter and then hiking in the summer. I prefer the cold.
heh... my girlfriend is the same way - absolutely cannot tolerate any kind of heat, while I'm out there cutting the grass in it.
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See, 75% of people prefer cold.
You are obviously the freak of nature here. (disregard the fact that the sample size (4) is ridiculously small).
however, for some slightly more scientific evidence:
One of the early "everybody votes" polls was if you prefer hot or cold, and the majority of people (by around 5-10%) said cold. Not at home thus don't have the actual data.
See, 75% of people prefer cold.
You are obviously the freak of nature here. (disregard the fact that the sample size (4) is ridiculously small).
however, for some slightly more scientific evidence:
One of the early "everybody votes" polls was if you prefer hot or cold, and the majority of people (by around 5-10%) said cold. Not at home thus don't have the actual data.
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And you're just now realizing I'm a freak of nature? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wow.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":0" border="0" alt="wow.gif" />
See, 75% of people prefer cold.
You are obviously the freak of nature here. (disregard the fact that the sample size (4) is ridiculously small).
however, for some slightly more scientific evidence:
One of the early "everybody votes" polls was if you prefer hot or cold, and the majority of people (by around 5-10%) said cold. Not at home thus don't have the actual data.
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if you looked by state, all the people in hot states said they preferred cold and vice versa <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" /> the grass is always greener...
As noted, it's actually a matter of preference. I love the heat, my own daddy hasn't been to Florida since WWII when he was here for basic training - he cannot tolerate the heat. I do sympathize with those having to tolerate the current heat wave.
You could always try the Midwest, it's like a strange mix between the industrial north and the bible thumping south...with more cows, and the 'universal American accent'. Plus we get the extreme colds of 0-10 degree weather and the hots of 80-100+. Unfortunately, if you want to do something that ventures outside the realm of physical sciences, horticulture, or agriculture you might have trouble getting a job in many places. Generally low crime rates all around, but we've also got Chicago and Detroit, if for some reason you ever wanted to know what it's like to get shot at <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" /> .
Let me just check off some things I've noted between former East Germany and the US, maybe they'll be of help:
((in) The US...)
-has bigger cars
-Fresh produce is less important and Americans like to buy in bulk.
-has about 800x more kinds of soda.
-the beer is more watery and 'lite'
-there are very few Döner shops (they are replaced by American-Mexican food <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> )
-cereals are generally more sugary but also less stale-tasting
-(for the Eastern US) there is less rain and the temperatures are more extreme.
-there are no fees for having a television (or radio, if the UK is like that), you buy it and hook it up to an antenna...cable is different, and costs money.
-shirts have larger, more open collars (T-shirts, anyway)
-the police and 'citizen office' don't need a picture of you and your recent domestic history, because they don't exist in the US...you just might want to mention where you're moving to at the DMV and post office and that should probably cover you
-credit cards are accepted far more frequently
-public transportation majorly sucks
-there is no soft-porn on TV at 3 in the morning, unless you've paid for it.
-recycling is far less frequent, far less universal (if you try to recycle the plastic on a DVD case people will look at you like you're crazy) and far less popular
...I'm sure there's many, many other things, but hopefully that's helpful, even though it's coming from a comparison with a completely different part of Europe (also, opinions are subject to subjectivity <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> ).
Its hard to judge though. Because i live in Australia, which at least by canadian border standards is quite warm. I like to ski, yes u CAN ski in Australia lol, but even in the Australian alps i would say the temperature rarely gets an average temperature as low as the region ure talking about.
PS: skiing sucks in australia. If youre used to Rocky slopes or the swiss alps and then come ski here you will lol. But i guess it may be a novelty for euros/americans to ski down a slope and think to him/herself "lol im skiing in Australia" or "where the hell are all the pine trees?"
Oh yeah, good luck with the trip! I would never have the balls to do what ure doing. Good Luck!! One of my future travel goals is to roadtrip the US.
And to Americans that COMPLAIN about petrol (gas) prices... how does that song go? "...you dont know what you've got till its gone"!!! Over here i pay at least 1.20 a LITRE! if u wanna work out how much that is a gallon found a conversion table lol.
if you want cold, try -30 degrees celsius with a nice breeze of about 10m/s thrown in for added effect. then start riding a bike against the wind.
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umm... im sorry but 1,20 (aussie dollars) is a bargain. try this: €1,335 euros per litre, that's about 2,1 AUD
i lost track of what u were all going on ab out <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
Though I will stick with TOmekki, it looks like it is about 3.92 USD per gallon in AUS, vs around 6.9 USD for euro land.
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and so the thread has derailed! xD
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The standard pissing contest between nations.
And I jsut felt like pointing out that gas is cheaper here (fluctuating around $3.5 depending on where/when you are). The counter balance is that you will probably have to drive mroe <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
yah, gas is cheap in the US, Possibly because we don't have to buy it all from OPEC?
Though I will stick with TOmekki, it looks like it is about 3.92 USD per gallon in AUS, vs around 6.9 USD for euro land.
The standard pissing contest between nations.
And I jsut felt like pointing out that gas is cheaper here (fluctuating around $3.5 depending on where/when you are). The counter balance is that you will probably have to drive mroe <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
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Don't you live in NYC? No one drives in NYC - everyone takes the train or subway silly.
Moquiao, did ya decide to leave your computer over there?
NYC and a few (not many) other large cities have decent public transportation, most places you basically have to have a car (or I guess a motorcycle or something).
I think he said he was leaving his comp for his dad as a sorta retirement present.
Hey, on the note of that blog post. What games does your dad play? (Curiosity)