Cheating In Ns?

V_MAN · November 2002

Right I dunno if talking about cheating is against forum rules but if it is I apologise.

I have seen quite a few people with pin point accurate lmgs and hmgs over long range while on full auto not the odd kill btw but a stream of kills one after the other. I know there is not re-coil as such but there is some sort of scatter effect when you fire on full auto because when burst firing my shots are more accurate and grouped closer together this is why I see most good marines burst fire at targets to make their shots more accurate.

So, has someone come up with a cheat already for NS I wonder? or some sort of modification to the game code that removes the scattering when they fireon full auto?

Typhon · November 2002

to my knowledge, there is no increase in spray size between single shots and full auto. And you cant modify your client to reduce spray, your client just tells the server <i>where</i> you are shooting, the server decides if you hit anything (by factoring in spray, etc). So an aimbot will help you aim at skulks running all over the place, but it wont turn your HMG into a sniper rifle.

th15 · November 2002

If im not wrong crouching decreased your cone of spray. Not sure though, never actually tested it, just overheard it. Perhaps the marine was crouching in a corner and just happened to have very good aim (if you've attended a WCG or CPL CS tourny you would understand exactly how freakily accurate some people are; i've judged for the local WCG)

Sancho · November 2002

Crouching does not help.

Speed_2_Dave · November 2002

um, if I see 3 skulks running in a straight line, I don't hesitate to kill them all.. it's not cheating, it's common sense.

Dark_Hand · November 2002

I've noticed a few people are more than a little accurate with the pistol... I can be running full out as a skulk with celerity in all kinds of crazy directions and I'm killed mostly with the pistol in those situations.

Ahnteis · November 2002

There is no recoil in this game at all. Only cone fire (like in SP HL). As stated, aimbot would not make the *MG's more accurate, it would only allow for effortless tracking.

Pistol is dead-on accurate. You can aim and blast away. Pistol also does fairly high damage. If you can aim quickly it's better early game then the LMG.

V_MAN · November 2002

One of the guys I'm talking about took down 2 skuls and a fade in rapid sucession at long range while strafing with a lmg and they weren't all running in a nice straight line the fade was playing peek a boo and the 2 skuls were trying to paracite him.
I was with him on the marines team watching his back at the time when I saw him do it. We had no upgrades at all and the aliens had 3 hives. The fade he nailed had the most kills on the alien team and was not sloppy at all.

def_one · November 2002

ive been killed a few times by lmg/hmg with crazy accuracy. ive never said anything, because 1) its lame to accuse people of cheating and 2) there are some guys with crazy accuracy. but rest assured, once NS is fully on VAC, there will be no way for llamas to cheat.

Lindstrom · November 2002

VAC isn't completely foolproof but it would really help. not to mention getting rid of the observer bug, man that drives me nuts

Typhon · November 2002

at long range with lmg, you can expect atleast 50% of shots to miss even if you are aiming directly at your target. One clip of LMG does 500 damage, so in order for you to see what you saw, all of the aliens must have been VERY badly hurt

Crazy_Dog · November 2002

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Typhon @ Nov 26 2002, 06:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>at long range with lmg, you can expect atleast 50% of shots to miss even if you are aiming directly at your target. One clip of LMG does 500 damage, so in order for you to see what you saw, all of the aliens must have been VERY badly hurt</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
I have been killed as a fade by a marine with one clip. Nice to know how much damage a clip can do. I will have more respect for a LMG now <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'>

As for people with dead on aim just from talking I know of a lot of CAL and CPL players that are playing NS

I know on the server I play at counting me there were 3 clans that were CAL totaling 6 players and 2 clans that are CPL so I think that there are a lot of really good CS players playing NS and I think that you can blame/thank this on CAL for adding NS to the league so quickly <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'>

Alien_Bob · November 2002

The only cheat I've seen so far is the ready-room cheat, where a spectator can appear in the game and run around causing havoc (blocking corridors, or standing in your way when you're trying to shoot at the enemy). I've also seen people who are invulnerable and running round at ridiculously high speeds, but I think that's the same sort of thing.

It's annoying when idiots do it, but at least it's quite rare.

Shockeh · November 2002

Quite rare!?

On Jolt 3 last night, we had no less than FOUR of the wankers!

IMO, VAC should auto-kick, ban, log WONID's and send it to Valve of anyone cheating. That'd stop 'em wanting to try it twice.

A single harsh punishment is justice. A minor one is just a deterrant.

PseudoKnight · November 2002

The only hack that I've heard was in a working condition with NS was wallhack (see through walls), and that's not extremely useful or detectable in NS as it would be in games like CS. When I come up to a guy who gets me with a pistol in a few shots while I'm in mid-air... I just say he has incredible aim. No use in thinking there's cheaters. It just makes you a better player, anyway.

Talesin · November 2002

Was playing on a server earlier tonight, and one particular guy was pulling off amazing shots. Hiding above a door, not moving (so motion track could not be to blame). He walks through the door, spins around, and takes me down in a split second. Same guy, I creep through a vent so I'm just peeking out (still totally in the vent though).. ready to Parasite anyone who walks by (ns_nancy, the vents just outside the Mess Hall if anyone's curious). This same guy comes out, stops just past the vent, turns around and blasts me before I can Parasite him even, with parasite being my active weapon.

I've seen some amazing players, but they can be taken down when they're soloing by a good Skulk (I usually have no problem with two Marines when I have Carapace, three or four with Celerity). This guy could pretty much just stand outside a Hive, jump around like mad, and take down almost any number of Skulks that came after him in a few seconds. Only reason we nailed him (eventually) was that we had four Skulks rush him simultaneously, and two of us got a good chomp in on him. Two of the four died before he went down, though. He started getting nailed by Fades though, when we managed to kill him long enough to get up a second Hive.

This sound like an aimbot? Wallhack? Just an incredibly good player with a near sixth-sense?

Oh, almost forgot. When the round started (we'd taken their base when they didn't leave anyone defending it, the previous round) he'd said something to the effect of 'Aliens, you're going to lose this round. You know why? ME.' I responded with something along the lines of 'Your hubris will be your downfall, if left unchecked.' Response was something like 'Yeah, right. Whatever.'

They lost that map, as they *did* end up relying on that single guy to hold down the one extra Hive. When he died, the time it took him to get back let us get up Second Hive.. his soloing made it easy to just Umbra and take him out, as he kept attacking with the default LMG, pistol and armor. We didn't even *need* third hive (I put it up just as the 'Team 2 Wins' message popped up), due to their reliance on him, and the ease of taking down a non-upgraded soloing Marine with Umbra around you.

Believe his game-name was 'Kusaragi', no WonID available (or needed.. his humiliation was enough, hopefully, that if he WAS using some form of cheat that he'd see it would do no good)

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V_MAN · November 2002

Nice to know that other people are starting to wonder as well.

Demerzel · November 2002

sometimes when I'm ambushing a marine as a skulk and someone kills me extremely easily I do get annoyed but not suspicous. Only if the same player kills me repeatedly with ease at extremely short range and has had little warning of my presence, and seems to have a magical aim do I then get suspicious and ask others on the team of their experiences against this player. Often I know I'm just being unlucky or the player is on fine form but when others are suspicious too you've got to wonder.

I've never accused any of cheating on server though regardless of what evidence seems to accrue against the suspect. We'll get CS-like if we do where any good player is automatically cheating... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='mad.gif'>

Thansal · November 2002

ok, few quick ones on cheating:

1) there is no way to give the weps in NS more acc (just can't be done it is all server side, and it is cone fire, thus if you fire 1 shot it is just as likely to end up on the very edge as dead on)

2) aimbots MIGHT help for LMG/Pistol, wouldn't do squat with HMG (its cone is so large even an idiot can keep it tracked on)

3) wall hacks are mostly gotten rid of with VAC (we are on VAC)

4) perma ban/report WON is pointless, all it does is screw over the few ppl that slip through the cracks (flase positives are inevitable)
This is b/c those who are realy cheating will also have WON ID changers, so it dosn't bother them (I have seen the same person come back about 20 secs after being perma banned, it just makes them happy)

ok, just on general guidlines:
1) never say some one is cheating in game.
2) if you REALY think some one is, have your team members record him and then go spec him and get a demo of that also
3) send these demos to Amdins of the server, and hell post em up here and some of us will look over them (2 heads is better then 1)

I am putting this all up b/c I am a rather good player (I have very good aim and it is all b/c track balls kick *bleep*)
I have been yelled at so many times, in many diff mods, I have actualy now tested out most existing cheats (none that get around VAC, I havn't realy tried those yet) so that I know just how cheating works as well as knowing how to detect it.

oh well at s my $0.02

Teufel_Eldritch · November 2002

Talesin I think the guy you ran into was a cheat. I do not think this because he was "good" and had a easy time killing you......no I think this because of what he said. "Aliens, you're going to lose this round. You know why? ME." Most good players keep such comments to themselves. Most of the time if you see someone make a statement like that that means they they arent used to winning honestly and as such only expect to win because of thier cheats. For the most part those that are honestly good feel no need to lord over others how leet they are but on the contrary those that feel the need to add some fake skill to thier game do like to tell others just how good they are. You see most cheaters cheat to make up for a lack of true abilty so bragging about that supposed abilty makes them feel better about themselves. Now a player that is truly good has no need to brag about it because he already knows hes good. There is no need for the honest player to convince someone how good he is. Only the cheater needs do that for 2 reasons...1) to make himself appear leet 2) to make himself appear honest.

No, Im not saying all good players are polite or that all cheaters are impolite......Im just relating a little observation of mine regarding the psychology of those that play vids.

creaping_death · November 2002

I know one person was on a server that had a jetpack spent most of their time shooting with the pistol, HMG LMG and nads pulling off the most amazing shots

But we noticed he had the best ping on the server could that be a reason +skill
That was a very good game but..... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Talesin · November 2002

VAC is not yet active in NS. The code is in, and ready.. but as I've heard the reason it's not actually active is that the NS Devteam has to wait for the last confirmation codes from VALVe to actually activate it and make it work.

Anyone tried Cheating-Death with NS yet? Or HLGuard? I know that the CPU load on a server is already stupid-high, but if it becomes a necessity with cheating growing to be widespread... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'>

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CForrester · November 2002

Once I got accused of cheating. I was walking down a hallway with a shotty, not sure what map, and I heard "click-click-click" (The sound of a skulk walking) behind me so I spun around and shot out of instinct. Well, there it was: "[907th] PFC. CForrester <Shotgun> <Some guy>" and immediately afterward..

Some guy: bs
Me: Nope, just luck
Some guy: you cheater you spun around and shot me aimbot!!! admin ban him
Me: I heard you running up behind me.
Some guy: bull sulk is silent
Me: No, a sKulk makes a clacking noise when he walks
Some guy: bull n00b ban him admin aimbot user
Admin: STFU, CForrester is right.
Me: Thank you
Some guy: bull
Admin: Goodbye.

And then the admin kicked him. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Thalamus · November 2002

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Shockwave @ Nov 26 2002, 03:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>IMO, VAC should auto-kick, ban, log WONID's and send it to Valve of anyone cheating. That'd stop 'em wanting to try it twice.

A single harsh punishment is justice. A minor one is just a deterrant.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
LOL you aint played many half life mods have u m8?

When cheats get their won id banned they use a wonid generator and get another won id.
and all you do is ban the poor sods won id the cheat used and now he goes and gets another 1.

VAC isnt full proof not even a tiny bit if it was they wouldnt keep releaseing updates all the time.
VAC is still ion the early days and in cs VAC has kicked and banned numerous innocent people to which VALVE say We know VAC is bugged so while we are sorting out the bugs anyone banned under VAC will be unbanned soon after the trials are over.

This keeps happeneing and will do while they make it better and less buggy. Alot of people on here are living in a dreamworld if they A think NS has no cheats and B VAC will somehow magigally solve all the cheats out there.
In cs it takes the cheats a matter of hours to beat the latest update to VAC or whatever else is the current flavour of anticheat is, so what makes you guys think your any different? as you use a game engine thats about 6 years old and the same game engine that already has numerous hacks out for, and if they dont work with ns i should imagine they could/have modified it to work with no effort whatsoever.

Wether it is actually worth cheating in this game is another matter but then i dont see the pont in cheating on any game, but i,m not nieve enough to think it doesnt happen or that it can be irradicated by the almighty VAC.
Vac will be cool as long as the cheats use old cheats any brand new ns cheats will work as VAC doesnt know about them, you are always 1 step behind.

Cheating In Ns?

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