Caseless Ammunition

ZenzouZenzou Join Date: 2005-01-07 Member: 33462Members, Constellation
in Ideas and Suggestions
<div class="IPBDescription">Since it's set in the future...</div>Right now, an idea that's been floating around in the firearms industry is caseless ammunition. Meaning bullets that don't require a casing. This would most likely be what the TSA are using for ammo because by then. I'm pretty sure that since caseless ammunition doesn't require as much resources to manufacture, the TSA can more efficiently spend their resources. Another benefit is ammo clips are lighter and as a result you can carry more.

<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caseless_ammunition" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caseless_ammunition</a>

The HK G11 Rifle uses caseless ammunition.
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_G11" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_G11</a>
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  • Abaddon0Abaddon0 Join Date: 2003-05-09 Member: 16169Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caseless_ammunition#Disadvantages+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caseless_ammunition#Disadvantages)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->An additional problem for fast automatic weapons is heat build-up. An advantage of conventional metal cartridges is that the casing absorbs a large portion of the waste heat of firing, and protects the propellant from the heat of the chamber. Ejecting the hot, empty casing removes some of the ignition heat from the weapon, which helps to avoid "cook off" (premature firing of rounds due to a weapon's extreme heat). With caseless rounds, other means of reducing waste heat are necessary, especially in automatic fire. The solution taken with the G11 was to use ammunition which had a higher ignition temperature, which reduced the risk of cook-off.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    still has some kinks.

    this is just cosmetic, i like the spray of brass personally.
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  • HazeHaze O RLY? Join Date: 2003-07-07 Member: 18018Members, Constellation
    While this does fit with the feeling of futuristic weaponry, the gritty feeling of grass being ejected is pretty awesome.
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  • KittamaruKittamaru Join Date: 2006-09-18 Member: 58017Members
    Screw caseless assault rifles... I want this!

    <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Storm" target="_blank">Metal Storm</a>

    I like the idea of hitting over 250,000 rounds per SECOND!
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  • Abaddon0Abaddon0 Join Date: 2003-05-09 Member: 16169Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1621272:date=Apr 16 2007, 10:20 AM:name=Kittamaru)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Kittamaru @ Apr 16 2007, 10:20 AM) [snapback]1621272[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Screw caseless assault rifles... I want this!

    <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Storm" target="_blank">Metal Storm</a>

    I like the idea of hitting over 250,000 rounds per SECOND!
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    the steam engine does not like this idea.
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  • FaskaliaFaskalia Wechsellichtzeichenanlage Join Date: 2004-09-12 Member: 31651Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1621283:date=Apr 16 2007, 06:16 PM:name=Abaddon0)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Abaddon0 @ Apr 16 2007, 06:16 PM) [snapback]1621283[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    the steam engine does not like this idea.
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    You clearly know what you are talking about!
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    NOT!
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  • KittamaruKittamaru Join Date: 2006-09-18 Member: 58017Members
    Er, steam engine? Where'd that come into play?
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  • Moving_Target0Moving_Target0 Join Date: 2006-12-21 Member: 59174Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1621310:date=Apr 16 2007, 06:25 PM:name=Kittamaru)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Kittamaru @ Apr 16 2007, 06:25 PM) [snapback]1621310[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Er, steam engine? Where'd that come into play?
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    I think he means Steam, the program made by valve...
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  • FaskaliaFaskalia Wechsellichtzeichenanlage Join Date: 2004-09-12 Member: 31651Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1621272:date=Apr 16 2007, 05:20 PM:name=Kittamaru)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Kittamaru @ Apr 16 2007, 05:20 PM) [snapback]1621272[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Screw caseless assault rifles... I want this!

    <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Storm" target="_blank">Metal Storm</a>

    I like the idea of hitting over 250,000 rounds per SECOND!
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    Meh anyway:
    So you want to be able to fire 250000 rps. Thats fine.
    Lets also assume you manage to produce a round that weighs only 1 gramm.
    Thats only 250kg worth of ammo for a second of supression fire. Sounds nice, but is hardly man-portable. I mean, the general idea behind this metal-storm thingy seems to be that you simly pack several bullets in a single barell. This has some interesting side effects: Some bullets go longer through the barell and thus fly more stable as well as pack more punch in form of kinetic energy. I doubt this metal storm will ever be mass produced in a hand-held form. It might be a good replacement for the hundreds of years old "hail of arrows".
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  • WarriorWarrior Join Date: 2003-02-16 Member: 13624Members
    Seeing brass fly in every direction, and covering the ground is more atmospheric then seeing no brass. I hate how all the games today do not have brass staying for more then a few seconds. At least give the option to make the brass stay longer.
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