puzlThe Old FirmJoin Date: 2003-02-26Member: 14029Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
I don't think so. I think the expansion of the sun is faster than the reduction in mass of the sun, so in theory although we will drift away from the sun, it will expand much faster than we escape and eventually consume us. It's either fire or ice though, we either get burned to a crisp, or freeze around a white dwarf. When I say 'we', I, of course, mean our molecular composition, which is about the only thing of humanity that will be left at this point.
Piss off the aliens from NS, and have a system that focuses where all the onoses land. Make them all land at the same place within a few seconds, and the Earth should falter from its orbit, and be sent to its chilly, or crispy, demise.
Anyway, if you had unlimited resources, how would you bring the planet to an end? I was thinking if you were able to build a large enough flywheel generator + compulsator assembly, you could produce enough electricity to power a de-gaussing coil large enough to de-magnetize the planet. Or possibly just use it to power some kind of accelerator powerful enough to shear the planet in half. Note: be creative, poison gas and nukes are boring. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I would get NZ-Nexus and Swift in a room with everybody in the world and get them to talk. People will soon commit suicide <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
[WHO]ThemYou can call me DaveJoin Date: 2002-12-11Member: 10593Members, Constellation
<!--quoteo(post=1620693:date=Apr 13 2007, 04:08 AM:name=puzl)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(puzl @ Apr 13 2007, 04:08 AM) [snapback]1620693[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Do nothing at all and wait for our current behaviour to finish the job.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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SloppyKissesomgawd a furreh!VirginiaJoin Date: 2003-07-05Member: 17942Members, Constellation
<!--quoteo(post=1620706:date=Apr 13 2007, 09:13 AM:name=lolfighter)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(lolfighter @ Apr 13 2007, 09:13 AM) [snapback]1620706[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Both insufficient. Both likely to get us all killed. The former will not harm the planet itself much. The latter is unlikely to do so. We're trying to end the planet here, not merely humanity.
Edit: Same for rad's method. Come on guys, show some ambition! <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
oh you want the planet gone too, let me sleep on it lol
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The planet? Yeah sure, that will definitely throw it off its rocker.
Actually, puzl, the most widely held belief among those knowledgeable in the field currently is that Earth WILL escape destruction during Sol's red giant phase like Kouji said, albeit life on the planet won't.
Of course this isn't a certainty, only what is generally held to be the most likely case. As consent does not necessarily mean truth, there's always room for other theories.
But fear not: So far, all evidence points towards the universe having a finite lifespan.
Whether by a series of high yield fusion weapons (a very large amount of them) deep under ground or some other devices, split the earth's crust along a longitudinal line. That should be enough, but have some extra force generating system just in case things get stuck. Generally, the idea is to let two halves of the earth slide apart when the center of gravity of the whole earth switches to the two centers of gravity of the two halves. If we're lucky, the planet will become a couple of planetoids. I don't see anyone surviving this though (atmospheric and gravitational changes after most people die from the world's worst earthquake).
Well since you said I can have limitless resources, I would put said limitless resources in one spot and cause a black hole to form, and since I have put infinite resources in one spot I would have a black hole of infinite mass. Said black hole would not only destroy earth, the sun, and the solar system it would proceed to eventually destroy the universe.
puzlThe Old FirmJoin Date: 2003-02-26Member: 14029Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
Except, that's not how Blackholes work.
Outside the event horizon, it influences other matter according to the conventional rules of physics and therefore will only attract matter that does not have the required energy to escape. So your black hole might destroy the solar system, but it will not destroy the universe.
There are much more efficient ways to destroy the earth. If we're allowing solutions that do are not realistic then I have a proposal:
Incease the strong nuclear force by 1% and watch all the elements in the universe rapidly recombine to form heavier elements. All hydrogen would rapidly become inert helium, and an inert universe would kill all molecular complexity everywhere almost immediately.
hmm i think the half-life sagas doing it pretty well.... so yeah lets get all our resourse together, build a black mesa facillity and initiate a resonance cascade!! Just leave out the therotical physicist turned elite super-soldier gorden freeman.
the thing i love about the halflife series is that whole apocalyptic "the world has nearly ended feeling". Lets make it a reality <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" /> !!
<!--quoteo(post=1621863:date=Apr 19 2007, 04:39 AM:name=puzl)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(puzl @ Apr 19 2007, 04:39 AM) [snapback]1621863[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Except, that's not how Blackholes work.
Outside the event horizon, it influences other matter according to the conventional rules of physics and therefore will only attract matter that does not have the required energy to escape. So your black hole might destroy the solar system, but it will not destroy the universe. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And the conventional rules of gravity are that it acts on every object, everywhere; and with infinite mass you're going to have infinite force over infinite space. The square root of infinity is a lot. The problems with hypothetical questions...
It may very well not be destroyed however, as human ingenuity and some future point may be enough to simply change the course of the earth so that it falls into orbit around this black hole (...where they can get killed by radiation and other things flying into the hole).
<!--quoteo(post=1622232:date=Apr 20 2007, 09:10 PM:name=UltimaGecko)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(UltimaGecko @ Apr 20 2007, 09:10 PM) [snapback]1622232[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> It may very well not be destroyed however, as human ingenuity and some future point may be enough to simply change the course of the earth so that it falls into orbit around this black hole (...where they can get killed by radiation and other things flying into the hole). <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> possible orbit radii and orbit velocity are functions of gravity (function of mass) this means that an infinitely massive black hole (aside from having an infinitely large event horizon) would have an infinitely high orbit velocity. also, as you've placed an infinite amount of material into the black hole, there would be next to nothing to harm earth as it gets ripped to shreds by all sorts of conflicting, infinitely large and hypothetically balanced forces.
No one wants to do worldwide Mecha battle royal with me? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
I was thinking they could try to influence an outward thrust along with a lateral thrust to stay in orbit, but I again forgot about the whole 'infinity' that I was, myself, correcting in the initial post, yes, infinite mass black hole = iminent death for the universe, but you'd need all the mass in the universe anyway, how else are you going to get enough to be 'infinite mass'? If you want to destroy the earth you've got to set up 'ridiculous, but not absurd amounts of resources'. Like the resources to create a black hole next to earth, but having infinite energy or infinite mass just makes destroying te earth unfeasible, because to get the energy you need for destroying the earth you'll need to have destroyed the earth already...
How about we spin it faster and faster until the planet's structure stability can no longer survive the immense torque?
I was always a bid fan of old school orbital bombardment. I'm pretty excited about rail guns. but I might be able to be convinced to use of conventional lasers.
to accomplish this i would need a secret base, preferably in a location with large amounts available ammo, and some really big guns. \
Then each week publish a list of a limited number of places where you MAY choose to blow up. whichever site on this list provides the crappiest, excuse, plea letter, delicious loot will be forced to suffer a week. the eventful result being that the earth runs out of hp and explodes and me with a large amount of swag...
I was thinking about it (...very briefly)...and how about the inverse of a dyson sphere? As in, build a shell around it so that it doesn't get any energy from outside. Self made human power would probably be able to hold on for a while, but without any external energy you've pretty much got a doomed planet.
...my original use for my 'inverse Dyson sphere' (...maybe it has a name I've never heard of) was an off-shoot from Confused....where every square centimeter of the earth is bombarded by a laser pointer, simultaneously. I'm not quite sure if that would kill anything, but when you've got as many hypothetical resources as I do, you can afford to build two ...uh... UltimaSpheres.
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Ultima : It's actually more likely that should we ever create one, it's easy to make hundreds of interlocking rings to the point that no sunlight escapes, rather than a single sphere (which is infinitely harder to get right)
But then again, Escher was off his little head. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
Of course, the counter argument is that, if you had infinite resources, you'd make it spherical anyway, because it's infinite, I'm not worried about having to do it again, or running out.
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2. Enslave humanity to dig to the center of earth.
3. Drop said anti materia in the molten core.
4. Watch as earth implodes like an old tv.
Hypothetically of course!
Anyway, if you had unlimited resources, how would you bring the planet to an end? I was thinking if you were able to build a large enough flywheel generator + compulsator assembly, you could produce enough electricity to power a de-gaussing coil large enough to de-magnetize the planet. Or possibly just use it to power some kind of accelerator powerful enough to shear the planet in half.
Note: be creative, poison gas and nukes are boring.
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I would get NZ-Nexus and Swift in a room with everybody in the world and get them to talk. People will soon commit suicide <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
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You two, banned from the planet.
Cannon's over that way. ----->
Both insufficient. Both likely to get us all killed. The former will not harm the planet itself much. The latter is unlikely to do so. We're trying to end the planet here, not merely humanity.
Edit: Same for rad's method. Come on guys, show some ambition!
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oh you want the planet gone too, let me sleep on it lol
oh you want the planet gone too, let me sleep on it lol
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The planet? Yeah sure, that will definitely throw it off its rocker.
Of course this isn't a certainty, only what is generally held to be the most likely case. As consent does not necessarily mean truth, there's always room for other theories.
But fear not: So far, all evidence points towards the universe having a finite lifespan.
Attaboy! Finally someone with ambition! Gree wins.
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Pfft. In an infinite universe, I'll just pootle away in my Dyson Sphere for all eternity. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
- Shockwave
Outside the event horizon, it influences other matter according to the conventional rules of physics and therefore will only attract matter that does not have the required energy to escape. So your black hole might destroy the solar system, but it will not destroy the universe.
There are much more efficient ways to destroy the earth. If we're allowing solutions that do are not realistic then I have a proposal:
Incease the strong nuclear force by 1% and watch all the elements in the universe rapidly recombine to form heavier elements. All hydrogen would rapidly become inert helium, and an inert universe would kill all molecular complexity everywhere almost immediately.
the thing i love about the halflife series is that whole apocalyptic "the world has nearly ended feeling". Lets make it a reality <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" /> !!
On topic, my method of planetary doom would involve a cat, some toast, and some duct tape.
Except, that's not how Blackholes work.
Outside the event horizon, it influences other matter according to the conventional rules of physics and therefore will only attract matter that does not have the required energy to escape. So your black hole might destroy the solar system, but it will not destroy the universe.
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And the conventional rules of gravity are that it acts on every object, everywhere; and with infinite mass you're going to have infinite force over infinite space. The square root of infinity is a lot. The problems with hypothetical questions...
It may very well not be destroyed however, as human ingenuity and some future point may be enough to simply change the course of the earth so that it falls into orbit around this black hole (...where they can get killed by radiation and other things flying into the hole).
Sure hope it doesnt go via zombies..Dislike the idea of me getting eaten..Though last man on earth....
It may very well not be destroyed however, as human ingenuity and some future point may be enough to simply change the course of the earth so that it falls into orbit around this black hole (...where they can get killed by radiation and other things flying into the hole).
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possible orbit radii and orbit velocity are functions of gravity (function of mass)
this means that an infinitely massive black hole (aside from having an infinitely large event horizon) would have an infinitely high orbit velocity.
also, as you've placed an infinite amount of material into the black hole, there would be next to nothing to harm earth as it gets ripped to shreds by all sorts of conflicting, infinitely large and hypothetically balanced forces.
<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
How about we spin it faster and faster until the planet's structure stability can no longer survive the immense torque?
to accomplish this i would need a secret base, preferably in a location with large amounts available ammo, and some really big guns. \
Then each week publish a list of a limited number of places where you MAY choose to blow up. whichever site on this list provides the crappiest, excuse, plea letter, delicious loot will be forced to suffer a week. the eventful result being that the earth runs out of hp and explodes and me with a large amount of swag...
plus, i get to live though it, i hope:)
...my original use for my 'inverse Dyson sphere' (...maybe it has a name I've never heard of) was an off-shoot from Confused....where every square centimeter of the earth is bombarded by a laser pointer, simultaneously. I'm not quite sure if that would kill anything, but when you've got as many hypothetical resources as I do, you can afford to build two ...uh... UltimaSpheres.
M.C.Escher drew one:
<img src="http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/michael/blog/images/DysnSphr.gif" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />
But then again, Escher was off his little head. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
Of course, the counter argument is that, if you had infinite resources, you'd make it spherical anyway, because it's infinite, I'm not worried about having to do it again, or running out.
- Shockwave