Computer Restarting For Unknown Reason/s

DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
<div class="IPBDescription">ALWAYS while performing a function though</div>This is weird... recently formatted and everything went smoothly, BUT.... ... .. .

My computer will restart for no reason, other than I am performing a task such as minimizing a browser, or trying to upload a file. It never restarts if I am afk, afaik.

It does this several times/day. WinXP O/S if it matters.
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  • AnarkiThreeXSixAnarkiThreeXSix x_x Join Date: 2003-12-31 Member: 24894Members
    Do you have an AMD cpu? I think those restart suddenly when they're a bit too warm -_^
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    Negative, converted to Intel when I upgraded last year.
  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    Could spyware/virus. Or gremlins, yep gremlins...
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    nanites again? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/confused-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="???" border="0" alt="confused-fix.gif" />
  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    edited April 2007
    <!--quoteo(post=1619093:date=Apr 5 2007, 05:44 PM:name=Depot)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Depot @ Apr 5 2007, 05:44 PM) [snapback]1619093[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    nanites again? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/confused-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="???" border="0" alt="confused-fix.gif" />
    <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well the real problem is you are asking for an analysis trough the internet. Yet it could be many things, which are not possible to test for trough the internet.

    For instance:<ul><li>mem could be bad, and when the Os tries to write something into the memory which is corrupted it can reboot.

    Then I'd advice <a href="http://www.memtest86.com/" target="_blank">http://www.memtest86.com/</a>
    </li><li>Or it could be hear related asAnarkiThreeXSix said, go download some hardware temp monitor programs (probably included with the motherboard/pc)
    </li><li>It could any number of hardware conflicts (mem vs cpu, cpu vs pci-controller, hdd vs mem and the list goes on)

    are there any conflicts (start->programs->accessories->system tools->system information in here have a look at shares/conflicts or something)
    </li><li>software related, try booting into safemode (for vista, is it still f8 for bootmenu? [edit]--> ACK! you've gone done and put a switch of OS on me!!! XP FTW!!!)</li><li>virus and spyware can kill the OS and make it reboot (most likely a bootsector virus on a fesh format, if it is viral)</li><li>gremlins, I swear!</li></ul>Basically all of the above could help you in determining what could be the cause, then the mighty internet/google can help you resolve it with tutorials. Or someone on here with a similar problem which was solved
  • Dethwish_JDethwish_J Join Date: 2007-04-01 Member: 60546Members
    Dude buy a new computer, all you seem to do lately is post about problems <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    edited April 2007
    to folow up on Kouji's post about mem.

    check to see if automatic reboot is on

    Start -> Settings -> Control Panel -> System -> Advanced Tab -> Settings Button under "Startup and Recovery" -> untick "AUtomatically Restart"

    This will make sure the BSODs get shown

    to check to see if you ARE getting BSODs go check in this Dir:
    C:\Windows\Minidump (or somewhere around there, the folder name is minidump, the file names corespond to dates of crashes)


    or Gremlins

    or Viri

    or Viri infested gremlins!


    Edit: Plural of Virus is Viri! (not Virii), yay for having clasics majors for friends!
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    Good advice Kouji_San, I'll see about going through your list. <img src="http://www.ibparcade.com/style_emoticons/default/welldone.gif" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    Yeah right. The plural of "virus" is "viruses." It might not sound cool or anything but that's proper English. Your friends, Thansal, have lied to you.

    As for your computer problems, I think you can rule out heat, if it restarts even when you minimize a window, since that's not exactly a tough calculation for the CPU to do, if you know what I mean.
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1619097:date=Apr 5 2007, 11:05 AM:name=Thansal)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thansal @ Apr 5 2007, 11:05 AM) [snapback]1619097[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    to folow up on Kouji's post about mem.

    check to see if automatic reboot is on

    Start -> Settings -> Control Panel -> System -> Advanced Tab -> Settings Button under "Startup and Recovery" -> untick "AUtomatically Restart"

    This will make sure the BSODs get shown

    to check to see if you ARE getting BSODs go check in this Dir:
    C:\Windows\Minidump (or somewhere around there, the folder name is minidump, the file names corespond to dates of crashes)
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    Automatic restart de-selected.

    There are some BSODs in there, and one for today.
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    memory,

    nothing more then memory


    Generaly BSODs are caussed by errors when writting to memory (If I remember correctly).

    You can run those mem tests that Kouji posted

    and there is always the fun one of just swapping around memory

    also as a first try, just unseat and reseat all your memory.
  • RoverRover blargh Join Date: 2003-09-23 Member: 21139Members
    off-topic:

    <i>Singular
    virus
    Plural
    viruses or virii or viri
    virus (plural viruses or virii or viri)
    1. (pathology, microbiology, virology) A core of DNA or RNA surrounded by a protein coat that requires a living cell to replicate — often causes disease in the host organism.
    2. (computing) A computer virus.</i>
  • WarriorWarrior Join Date: 2003-02-16 Member: 13624Members
    Answer these questions:
    What are you temps?
    Do you have dust buildup which is causing critical components to overheat?
    Are you overclocked?
    Is your PSU going bad(get out a multimeter or download some software that will read your volts)
    Run memtest
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    edited April 2007
    Saw a lot of these in the event log (120 entries on 04/05/07).

    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Product: Windows Operating System
    ID: 7
    Source: Disk
    Version: 5.2
    Symbolic Name: IO_ERR_BAD_BLOCK
    <b>Message: The device, %1, has a bad block. </b>

    Explanation
    The device has a bad block of memory, which Windows attempted to read. The data might be missing or corrupted.


    User Action
    If this event is logged regularly, replace the hard disk drive.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
  • LuukasLuukas Join Date: 2004-01-03 Member: 25009Members
    Did you run Memtest already? If so and there were no errors, better run a HDD diagnostic. A quick look at available utilities yeilded this link:

    <a href="http://www.techspot.com/vb/topic7602.html" target="_blank">http://www.techspot.com/vb/topic7602.html</a>
  • the_x5the_x5 the Xzianthian Join Date: 2004-03-02 Member: 27041Members, Constellation
    edited April 2007
    <!--quoteo(post=1619087:date=Apr 5 2007, 11:32 AM:name=AnarkiThreeXSix)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(AnarkiThreeXSix @ Apr 5 2007, 11:32 AM) [snapback]1619087[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Do you have an AMD cpu? I think those restart suddenly when they're a bit too warm -_^
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    Stop bashing AMD Anarki3x6... The "a bit too warm" that the fail safe usually kicks is about the temperature water boils. Have you never heard of a heatsink?

    I agree with Thansal. From what you are describing my instincts tell me it's your RAM chips. Usually just one of them. What measures of ESD protection did you employ, Depot?

    Then check your hard drive as Luukas said. What that error means is that you are getting an input-output error to the CPU from either your RAM or while loading data from the HDD into RAM. I'm afraid it's not more specific than that. BSOD's are really low-level so they are really basic and unclear at times.
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    I have not run the memory test yet, but will soon. Currently I am running a chdsk repair on it.

    ESD protection?

    My backup computer here (a '99 Dell P-3 450mhz) with a new hd is running SOOOOOooooo..... smoothly.


    Chkdsk/r has replaced 3 bad clusters so far.
  • BlackMageBlackMage [citation needed] Join Date: 2003-06-18 Member: 17474Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1619108:date=Apr 5 2007, 12:05 PM:name=Thansal)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thansal @ Apr 5 2007, 12:05 PM) [snapback]1619108[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    memory,

    nothing more then memory
    Generaly BSODs are caussed by errors when writting to memory (If I remember correctly).

    You can run those mem tests that Kouji posted

    and there is always the fun one of just swapping around memory

    also as a first try, just unseat and reseat all your memory.
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    BSODs are caused by any and everything, from a failed memory operation to the kernel trying to unload itself while performing an operation to the video card being slightly confused about where, exactly, it is on the motherboard. (win95 used to have a BSOD for a busy optical drive). the bluescreen should have some stuff printed on it like "general protection fault" and then a process name or a device id and a complaint about drivers or an "oh my god i think i'm exploding" message of some sort.
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    I have yet to see a BSOD... it just restarts without warning.

    The chkdsk/r I'm running now has replaced 3 bad clusters of file data.
  • BlackMageBlackMage [citation needed] Join Date: 2003-06-18 Member: 17474Members, Constellation
    edited April 2007
    pop the case, do a quick spot check to make sure nothing's shorting anything... (if only it was that easy)
    does windows complain about a bad shutdown on boot or does it like to pretend nothing happened?

    also, last i checked the "bit too warm" mechanism kicks in at about 85C, a little short of the 90C that they can take before the chip decides that it's getting toasty.
    it's a decent bit safer than intel's "underclock and pray" method
  • the_x5the_x5 the Xzianthian Join Date: 2004-03-02 Member: 27041Members, Constellation
    edited April 2007
    <!--quoteo(post=1619263:date=Apr 6 2007, 05:09 AM:name=Depot)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Depot @ Apr 6 2007, 05:09 AM) [snapback]1619263[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->ESD protection?
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    Oh my goodness! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wow.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":0" border="0" alt="wow.gif" /> Please tell me you know what ESD is...

    <a href="http://www.esda.org/esdbasics1.htm" target="_blank">http://www.esda.org/esdbasics1.htm</a>

    Too many amperes, or current, hurts us humans. Voltage will DESTROY electronics like capacitors if it is too much. RAM is essentially uber-tiny capacitors. You know how sometimes when you comb your hair, or rub a balloon on somebody's head, etc. and you get that static "zapping"? That's ESD. Those sparks are usually abou 10,000-20,000 volts. May seem extreme, but remember it's very little current. Not that a high enough voltage can't hurt our anatomy, but in an oversimplified nutshell it comes down to this:
    Amps hurts us
    Volts hurts computers

    So. Computer techs get these things called anti-static wrist straps that have a high Ohm resistor in them to allow voltages to ground off their hands freely while not allowing a high current to be grounded in case they touch the wrong wire.

    I'm soo sick of stupid people on newegg.com complaining in reviews that they had a DOA (dead on arrival) chip. The chip wasn't DOA, they zapped it by unpacking it in the packing peanuts or getting their hands all over the pins without grounding any static charges off first. Now if you are being causal you may not bother with a wrist strap but at least washing your hands with water and touching the metal case to ground yourself is a not guaranteed solution but definitely helps. In reality only time I bother with a wrist strap is when dealing with RAM chips or adjusting bent pins on a CPU. And I do wash my hands first. Before playing with ESD sensitive parts, especially when you are talking about chips that are over $100 per chip. That'd really suck to ESD zap one of those.
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    Windows acts like nothing happened at all.

    x5 I was aware of the damage static electricity can do, and take precautions to prevent it. Never heard it referred to as "ESD".
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    This just out: I am now getting an error report at restart, and the event log shows,

    <b>From the Event Log (at restart):</b>

    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Product: Windows Operating System
    ID: 11
    Source: Disk
    Version: 5.2
    Symbolic Name: IO_ERR_CONTROLLER_ERROR
    Message: The driver detected a controller error on %1.

    Explanation
    This problem is typically caused by a failing cable that connects the drive to the computer.


    User Action
    Replace the cable.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    A restart takes me well over 2 minutes... normally does so in less than a minute.

    CPU temp is 28/82 and mobo 32/89.5
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    edited April 2007
    So swap your IDE cables.

    Edit: or SATA.
  • BlackMageBlackMage [citation needed] Join Date: 2003-06-18 Member: 17474Members, Constellation
    IDE cables are ungodly expensive at bestbuy and absurdly cheap at [local vendor of computer parts]
  • the_x5the_x5 the Xzianthian Join Date: 2004-03-02 Member: 27041Members, Constellation
    edited April 2007
    Best Buy will price match something like that easy. You bring proof (competitor ad or printout) and let them check it to be sure you aren't scamming them.
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    I have a bunch of IDE cables lying around anyways; they always seem to come with both the HD and the mobo or something.
  • the_x5the_x5 the Xzianthian Join Date: 2004-03-02 Member: 27041Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1619388:date=Apr 6 2007, 09:25 PM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Apr 6 2007, 09:25 PM) [snapback]1619388[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    I have a bunch of IDE cables lying around anyways; they always seem to come with both the HD and the mobo or something.
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    I have that with SATA cables.
  • WarriorWarrior Join Date: 2003-02-16 Member: 13624Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1619286:date=Apr 6 2007, 05:27 AM:name=Depot)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Depot @ Apr 6 2007, 05:27 AM) [snapback]1619286[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    This just out: I am now getting an error report at restart, and the event log shows,

    <b>From the Event Log (at restart):</b>
    A restart takes me well over 2 minutes... normally does so in less than a minute.

    CPU temp is 28/82 and mobo 32/89.5
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    Using what? Gotta explain those temps since every program reads differently. I suggest you download coretemp and tell us those temps. It will work on AMD cpus, but maybe not the really older versions.
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    The IDE cable has given me fits, off and on, since the new mobo/hd were installed. Seems I am often having to unplug it/replug it to get the hd to boot up. I suppose now it could be the culprit causing the restarts.

    I'm using the default temp monitor, viewable by going into the setup screen during bootup.
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