There is no guarantee that what everyone gets together to write would be any good. There is no reason to officiate fan fiction in the form of an NS wiki when it would be just as easy to let people write whatever the heck they want without having to worry about turning off newcomers to the mod who don't like something that somebody added to the backstory without consulting anyone else.
We've been thinking about this a bit recently. I think one thing a wiki would be great for is the NS manual. There are some technical caveats keeping us from trying this right now but I wouldn't be surprised if we did this in the near future.
Well, you know, it would also be an easier way to find guides, strategies, stats, etc. That way, instead of having to google around for a comm guide, you could just look one up on the wiki. If you want to know the current build times, res costs, etc of a building, you can consult the wiki without fear of the information being from a previous version. People would ask less obvious questions, and everyone would know what babblers are.
I don't care about backstory atm. The wiki would be an easier way for people to look for information in an organized fashion instead of googling it, and you wouldn't have to worry about the article being from 2003 ranting about a strategy that is now obsolete.
So basically, in order to make a wiki, you have to get the software/code, host it on a website, and tell people about it so they can contribute.
There are two ways to do this. You can use a <a href="http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiFarms" target="_blank">WikiFarm</a>, which is basically a site that hosts the the wiki for you, or you can use a <a href="http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TopTenWikiEngines" target="_blank">WikiEngine</a>, which is, obviously, an engine that you can host on your own site.
Seems easy enough, I hope you can get over whatever technical aspects are stopping you from making one soon. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/confused-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="???" border="0" alt="confused-fix.gif" /> And in the meantime, someone else could probably make an unofficial wiki for articles untill the official one is up.
A wiki would be similar in effect to the nsguides or nslearn sites/resources. Letting everyone submit stuff would help make it more centralized too, instead of the handful of ns community sites currently all hosting they're own guides. You'd need a team of people to look after it, keep it up to date, heavily moderate it and accept/reject other's changes so it maintains a high standard.
Afaik There's one, but in german. Only provides basic info but there is lot to add.
Hope an english one will be made soon <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" /> It is annoying that interesting things on the official wikipedia ns article keeps getting removed because some arrtard remarks "this is not ns wiki" and stuff like that.
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That's exactly the kind of stuff that would end up happening on a small wiki that's basically maintained by a tight-knit community that ends up throwing in more self-referential in-jokes than there ought to be simply because they get the sinking feeling that the only people reading the stuff you put up on the wiki are the people writing the other stuff you read on the wiki. It would be one big cluster of NS fans writing to and for NS fans and anything that would come out of it that would be potentially helpful for a newcomer/noob would be something that would be much better off outside of a wiki where it couldn't be mucked around with without a good reason.
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So the worst that can happen is only a handful of people contribute and make use of the wiki? That hardly sounds terrible.
I think it may develop into a great resource. If it doesn't there's nothing lost. They're easy to set up and do not need to be maintained by the devs.
No, that's a wikipedia article. A wiki is a mini encyclopedia totally dedicated to one particular thing, in this case NS. It would have way more information that that.
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*slap*
Work on the game, let the community work on the wiki.
I was actually about to start a thread asking for a wiki. I think it's very viable. NS has a big community, and I think we're mature enough to handle it. As mentioned before, it worked for Dystopia. We could appoint some of the forum admins to police the wiki. Even better: we could connect the two, so that you need a forum account to post on the wiki. Then it's easy for admins to ban troublemakers or at least put them on probation.
Please give us a NS-Wiki!!!!!!!!! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
An official wiki would be a headache the size of Jupiter, because the developers would be responsible for any random piece of crap that some troll decides to stick up at 4:00 AM in the morning. By endorsing an official Natural Selection Wiki they take responsibility for what goes on it, and since it's a wiki, anything and everything (including goatse) will get up there eventually (believe me, it happens). There's nothing preventing you from starting a wiki and advertising it: if the interest actually is high enough to warrant one, people will start contributing, and if it isn't, there would be no reason for the devs to set one up, would there?
<!--quoteo(post=1613492:date=Mar 11 2007, 02:06 PM:name=rsd)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(rsd @ Mar 11 2007, 02:06 PM) [snapback]1613492[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> So the worst that can happen is only a handful of people contribute and make use of the wiki? That hardly sounds terrible.
I think it may develop into a great resource. If it doesn't there's nothing lost. They're easy to set up and do not need to be maintained by the devs.
There's nothing to lose really. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, the worst thing that could happen would be rapier7 writing the commander article... <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
<!--quoteo(post=1624459:date=May 2 2007, 11:09 AM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ May 2 2007, 11:09 AM) [snapback]1624459[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> An official wiki would be a headache the size of Jupiter, because the developers would be responsible for any random piece of crap that some troll decides to stick up at 4:00 AM in the morning. By endorsing an official Natural Selection Wiki they take responsibility for what goes on it, and since it's a wiki, anything and everything (including goatse) will get up there eventually (believe me, it happens). There's nothing preventing you from starting a wiki and advertising it: if the interest actually is high enough to warrant one, people will start contributing, and if it isn't, there would be no reason for the devs to set one up, would there? <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah, or the developers could recruit people to monitor the wiki for them. I really don't see the problem in an official one, since it would be easier to advertise.
Didn't see this discussion before. But to expand on my <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?s=5388231503725158400&showtopic=101403" target="_blank">thread in the NS2 I&S</a> I'd like to say that any moderating headaches a Wiki would cause can not be any worse than monitoring these forums. I'm sure a couple of more people could be recruited to soley watch a wiki (I'd volunteer if I ever got off this infernal dialup) much the same way they watch the forums. The fear of a free-for-all headache is unfounded.
Any "community built" wiki should be a temporary measure with the explicit intent to merge with an officially built wiki. Why? Because people are unreliable. NSGuides (as far as I can tell) and NSworld had a bunch of useful information for players and mappers respectively, but they're gonzo now. Readyroom.org and ModNS have had a lot of ups and downs with hosting problems as they switched hands, whathaveyou. They could've easily turned to dust. The site outage here I'm willing to chalk up to being the last vestige of the "bunch of guys making a mod" and if it happens again as "a company making a game", it'll be because they are going out of business, at which point it doesn't matter what happens anyway.
What I'm basically saying is that I want to see any conglomeration of information be held reliably this time around. I don't want to be googling around two-three years later for some old hacked together website to find obscure information on some object. I want a one stop shop for all my NS2 needs.
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that would be fun!
all for that 1
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I don't care about backstory atm. The wiki would be an easier way for people to look for information in an organized fashion instead of googling it, and you wouldn't have to worry about the article being from 2003 ranting about a strategy that is now obsolete.
Edit: BTW, that was aimed at TychoCelchuuu >_>
So basically, in order to make a wiki, you have to get the software/code, host it on a website, and tell people about it so they can contribute.
There are two ways to do this. You can use a <a href="http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiFarms" target="_blank">WikiFarm</a>, which is basically a site that hosts the the wiki for you, or you can use a <a href="http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TopTenWikiEngines" target="_blank">WikiEngine</a>, which is, obviously, an engine that you can host on your own site.
Seems easy enough, I hope you can get over whatever technical aspects are stopping you from making one soon. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/confused-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="???" border="0" alt="confused-fix.gif" /> And in the meantime, someone else could probably make an unofficial wiki for articles untill the official one is up.
There's one, but in german. Only provides basic info but there is lot to add.
Hope an english one will be made soon <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
It is annoying that interesting things on the official wikipedia ns article keeps getting removed because some arrtard remarks "this is not ns wiki" and stuff like that.
$parki <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
Plus, we could post weird unrelated stuff like "I ate bacon for breakfast!" on the bottoms of FAQ's and stuff just to throw noobs off.
Plus, we could post weird unrelated stuff like "I ate bacon for breakfast!" on the bottoms of FAQ's and stuff just to throw noobs off.
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That's exactly the kind of stuff that would end up happening on a small wiki that's basically maintained by a tight-knit community that ends up throwing in more self-referential in-jokes than there ought to be simply because they get the sinking feeling that the only people reading the stuff you put up on the wiki are the people writing the other stuff you read on the wiki. It would be one big cluster of NS fans writing to and for NS fans and anything that would come out of it that would be potentially helpful for a newcomer/noob would be something that would be much better off outside of a wiki where it couldn't be mucked around with without a good reason.
That's exactly the kind of stuff that would end up happening on a small wiki that's basically maintained by a tight-knit community that ends up throwing in more self-referential in-jokes than there ought to be simply because they get the sinking feeling that the only people reading the stuff you put up on the wiki are the people writing the other stuff you read on the wiki. It would be one big cluster of NS fans writing to and for NS fans and anything that would come out of it that would be potentially helpful for a newcomer/noob would be something that would be much better off outside of a wiki where it couldn't be mucked around with without a good reason.
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So the worst that can happen is only a handful of people contribute and make use of the wiki? That hardly sounds terrible.
I think it may develop into a great resource. If it doesn't there's nothing lost. They're easy to set up and do not need to be maintained by the devs.
There's nothing to lose really.
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_Selection_(computer_game)" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_Selec...(computer_game)</a>
We've been thinking about this a bit recently. I think one thing a wiki would be great for is the NS manual. There are some technical caveats keeping us from trying this right now but I wouldn't be surprised if we did this in the near future.
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*slap*
Work on the game, let the community work on the wiki.
the competition for peoples minds is intense.
So the worst that can happen is only a handful of people contribute and make use of the wiki? That hardly sounds terrible.
I think it may develop into a great resource. If it doesn't there's nothing lost. They're easy to set up and do not need to be maintained by the devs.
There's nothing to lose really.
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No, the worst thing that could happen would be rapier7 writing the commander article... <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
An official wiki would be a headache the size of Jupiter, because the developers would be responsible for any random piece of crap that some troll decides to stick up at 4:00 AM in the morning. By endorsing an official Natural Selection Wiki they take responsibility for what goes on it, and since it's a wiki, anything and everything (including goatse) will get up there eventually (believe me, it happens). There's nothing preventing you from starting a wiki and advertising it: if the interest actually is high enough to warrant one, people will start contributing, and if it isn't, there would be no reason for the devs to set one up, would there?
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Yeah, or the developers could recruit people to monitor the wiki for them. I really don't see the problem in an official one, since it would be easier to advertise.
The fear of a free-for-all headache is unfounded.
Any "community built" wiki should be a temporary measure with the explicit intent to merge with an officially built wiki. Why? Because people are unreliable. NSGuides (as far as I can tell) and NSworld had a bunch of useful information for players and mappers respectively, but they're gonzo now. Readyroom.org and ModNS have had a lot of ups and downs with hosting problems as they switched hands, whathaveyou. They could've easily turned to dust. The site outage here I'm willing to chalk up to being the last vestige of the "bunch of guys making a mod" and if it happens again as "a company making a game", it'll be because they are going out of business, at which point it doesn't matter what happens anyway.
What I'm basically saying is that I want to see any conglomeration of information be held reliably this time around. I don't want to be googling around two-three years later for some old hacked together website to find obscure information on some object. I want a one stop shop for all my NS2 needs.