3.2 final = gg ns

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  • ThiefThief Ownage Join Date: 2003-08-09 Member: 19214Members, Constellation
    I Enjoy Natural Selection
  • KmartKmart Honourary Euro Join Date: 2005-01-06 Member: 32966Members, NS1 Playtester
    I thought it was generally pretty well-known that large games are usually going to come out with marine wins, and I'm very confused why this particular issue is getting so much attention now. Maybe it's the dramatic topic title?

    At any rate I don't know what the OP hoped and dreamed for from ns 3.2 but all I can say is that he probably made this post very hastily after a frustrating first few rounds of the new version. Believe me, some of the changes didn't make me very happy when I first saw them too- that's just natural. Nothing is going to be perfect for you, especially in the first week or two, so stick with it and I'm sure your gaming community will be able to settle in eventually.
  • HatlabuFarkasHatlabuFarkas Join Date: 2005-03-09 Member: 44496Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1611882:date=Mar 6 2007, 05:42 PM:name=Flayra)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Flayra @ Mar 6 2007, 05:42 PM) [snapback]1611882[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    As always, we ask that you not judge patches until you've played them for a few weeks. It always takes this amount of time for people to adapt their playing styles and even changes that seem horribly unbalanced at first often come around.

    We've been doing this awhile, and with any significant change we hear "NS is dead", "gg", etc. So please be patient and withhold judgment for a bit!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    True words FLY <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" /> . i hate this personality. I made a Translation, andit is HUNGARIAN. i say again, NOT ENGLISH. and english peoples talking about 'my translations is BAD'. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":angry:" border="0" alt="mad-fix.gif" />

    this two sayings are same. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wow.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":0" border="0" alt="wow.gif" />
  • F4tManMGS2F4tManMGS2 Join Date: 2004-04-10 Member: 27842Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1612191:date=Mar 7 2007, 12:19 PM:name=Thief)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thief @ Mar 7 2007, 12:19 PM) [snapback]1612191[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    I Enjoy Natural Selection
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    QFT

    <!--quoteo(post=1612191:date=Mar 7 2007, 12:19 PM:name=Thief)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thief @ Mar 7 2007, 12:19 PM) [snapback]1612191[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    I Enjoy Natural Selection
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    DQFT
  • LeonLeon Join Date: 2006-10-31 Member: 58131Members
    edited March 2007
    <!--quoteo(post=1612127:date=Mar 7 2007, 10:09 AM:name=commofdoom)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(commofdoom @ Mar 7 2007, 10:09 AM) [snapback]1612127[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    your playtesters who are largely ignorant of the actual community of players. the playtesters know nothing of either public or competitive ns and the changelogs show this.
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    actually almost every pt who post in this thread has or is playing competitive ns and also mean they play on public servers. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink-fix.gif" />

    i believe civillian is now the head pt for north america, he was also in exigent. many of the new pts are former competitive players.. so the changelog does not show that.
  • ThePebblerThePebbler Join Date: 2006-12-01 Member: 58793Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1612142:date=Mar 7 2007, 10:51 AM:name=TOmekki)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TOmekki @ Mar 7 2007, 10:51 AM) [snapback]1612142[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    you have a ping of two (2) and still cant kill marines that cant even get a 1:1 score?
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    For one i joined late AND Marines are so much more powerful when compaired to skulks late game, no chance.
  • Zor2Zor2 Join Date: 2005-01-13 Member: 35341Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1611866:date=Mar 6 2007, 04:53 PM:name=commofdoom)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(commofdoom @ Mar 6 2007, 04:53 PM) [snapback]1611866[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Some incoherent babbling.
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    Before people start making ill-thought out comments, try playing a bit more first before posting crap.
  • MrBenMrBen ns_eclipse, ns_veil caretaker Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8575Members
    The following is a true story and accurate anaylsis of 3.2 balance.:

    Whatever team I join wins.

    Unless tutu is also on this team.

    Whatever team tutu is on loses, even if I am also on it.

    Moral of the story: Stack me, not tutu.
  • PriestlyPriestly Join Date: 2006-10-30 Member: 58098Members
    Well this is going to end well.
  • G4B2S-WiredG4B2S-Wired Join Date: 2007-01-28 Member: 59787Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1612233:date=Mar 7 2007, 06:28 PM:name=Leon)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Leon @ Mar 7 2007, 06:28 PM) [snapback]1612233[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    actually almost every pt who post in this thread has or is playing competitive ns and also mean they play on public servers. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink-fix.gif" />

    i believe civillian is now the head pt for north america, he was also in exigent. many of the new pts are former competitive players.. so the changelog does not show that.
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    I'd like to see a PT who ISNT affiliated with a clan or competition. I'm not saying there isnt, I dont know enough about the PT team to really say who is or isnt, but I"d still like to see one.
  • commofdoomcommofdoom Join Date: 2006-11-02 Member: 58205Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1612153:date=Mar 7 2007, 12:12 PM:name=antichrist)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(antichrist @ Mar 7 2007, 12:12 PM) [snapback]1612153[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    The funny thing is I went off to a server playing siege maps and they say 3.2 has ruined siege maps <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> so Devs have done a good thing then!

    I m nearly enjoying 3.2 as much as 2.01d so good work!
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    yeah lets just marginalize and kill off a portion of the community. great idea!



    <!--quoteo(post=1612244:date=Mar 7 2007, 06:51 PM:name=Zor2)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Zor2 @ Mar 7 2007, 06:51 PM) [snapback]1612244[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Before people start making ill-thought out comments, try playing a bit more first before posting crap.
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    i don't understand why you kids think post count has to do with anything. especially since 95% of posting is spam.



    my point thus far has been to show that there is a large amount of ignorance and contempt for all but a select group of players. new players are not coming to ns. the learning curve is still high. combat detrains players. skulks become useless after 8 min or so. kharaa in general are just not fun to play.

    losing and dying horribly as marines is infinitely more fun than playing as kharaa ever.
  • GoldenGolden Join Date: 2004-09-01 Member: 31169Members, NS1 Playtester, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, WC 2013 - Silver, NS2 Community Developer
    <!--quoteo(post=1612255:date=Mar 7 2007, 02:37 PM:name=G4B2S-Wired)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(G4B2S-Wired @ Mar 7 2007, 02:37 PM) [snapback]1612255[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    I'd like to see a PT who ISNT affiliated with a clan or competition. I'm not saying there isnt, I dont know enough about the PT team to really say who is or isnt, but I"d still like to see one.
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    Actually, most of the PTs aren't competitive players. It only looks like it all the PTs are because we're the ones who actual post in public places.
  • G4B2S-WiredG4B2S-Wired Join Date: 2007-01-28 Member: 59787Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1612264:date=Mar 7 2007, 08:02 PM:name=Golden)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Golden @ Mar 7 2007, 08:02 PM) [snapback]1612264[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Actually, most of the PTs aren't competitive players. It only looks like it all the PTs are because we're the ones who actual post in public places.
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    Thats good to hear.

    <!--quoteo(post=1612259:date=Mar 7 2007, 07:47 PM:name=commofdoom)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(commofdoom @ Mar 7 2007, 07:47 PM) [snapback]1612259[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    yeah lets just marginalize and kill off a portion of the community. great idea!
    i don't understand why you kids think post count has to do with anything. especially since 95% of posting is spam.
    my point thus far has been to show that there is a large amount of ignorance and contempt for all but a select group of players. new players are not coming to ns. the learning curve is still high. combat detrains players. skulks become useless after 8 min or so. kharaa in general are just not fun to play.

    losing and dying horribly as marines is infinitely more fun than playing as kharaa ever.
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    Uh, They're not saying post more. They're telling you to PLAY more NS, before posting ramblings.
  • Femme_FataleFemme_Fatale Join Date: 2005-06-21 Member: 54310Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1612264:date=Mar 7 2007, 09:02 PM:name=Golden)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Golden @ Mar 7 2007, 09:02 PM) [snapback]1612264[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Actually, most of the PTs aren't competitive players. It only looks like it all the PTs are because we're the ones who actual post in public places.
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    i wanted to post that
    but i didnt want to get flamed to hell

    anyway most of the PT's i know arent competitive players.
    i guess if you pt that much you need another hobby, seeing pt could make you frown upon competitive play as boring.
  • StixNStonzStixNStonz Join Date: 2006-11-06 Member: 58439Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    You guys do realize that playing competitively takes all of this:

    'Hi, im looking to play NS competitively. I'm not a nub.'

    'Ok, join us.'



    Not to mention the fact that to play competitively, you actually have to seriously understand the game. Who should fix your car, the mechanic or your neighbour who just likes to drive?
  • CheeseCheese Lork on the Clorf Join Date: 2003-12-15 Member: 24396Members, Constellation
    Hmm lets see...im usually playing at the SEK's Servers where they use a balance system (every players k/d ratio is saved. not only that but which lifeform got killed by which weapon, how low it was on hp, how much tech you used, etc. same for aliens)

    Usually we play balanced games which means that both teams are at the same strength.
    Except that SEK didn't change anything about 3.2 final

    Results: I think its pretty balanced. sometimes aliens win, sometimes marines win. We also don't stick to one first chamber...we use all of them more or less randomly (depending on who cries the loudest).

    so...i guess it depends on how you shuffle the teams together.
    (we play 10vs10 max btw)
  • waterbusterwaterbuster Join Date: 2006-12-17 Member: 59117Members
    This thread is pretty much moot right now.

    G4B2S has actually gotten better in the past few days. It used to be :

    *aliens lose lose lose* (rinse, repeat)

    And now aliens will lose a few games, then go on winning streaks(about 3 or 4 games).


    KNOWLEDGE IS POWER.
  • DC_DarklingDC_Darkling Join Date: 2003-07-10 Member: 18068Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver
    i can't talk about 3.2 but I can talk about 3.2 beta and agree its unbalanced.

    Compared to rines kharaa are cannon fodder. Even with a great team its hard to near impossible to beat a rine team even medium qualified aslong as the comm uses the 5 braincells needed for the job.
  • PriestlyPriestly Join Date: 2006-10-30 Member: 58098Members
    edited March 2007
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    This thread is pretty much moot right now.

    G4B2S has actually gotten better in the past few days. It used to be :

    *aliens lose lose lose* (rinse, repeat)

    And now aliens will lose a few games, then go on winning streaks(about 3 or 4 games).
    KNOWLEDGE IS POWER.
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    Waterbuster considering I've been playing all day today and the only times aliens have won is when comm decided to do a relocate I'm not seeing this. Who are you? I havn't seen that name playing on guns today. Lol marines just won a game where we had someone who had never commed before in the chair and I was alt-tabbed to the forums filling out a ban form for a guy whose been randomly recycling base.
  • ShockehShockeh If a packet drops on the web and nobody&#39;s near to see it... Join Date: 2002-11-19 Member: 9336NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1612248:date=Mar 7 2007, 07:11 PM:name=Finawin)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Finawin @ Mar 7 2007, 07:11 PM) [snapback]1612248[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    It's not my job to prove it. If it was I would have been a playtester a long, long time ago.

    <snip>

    I think you, as a playtester, have failed miserably if you allowed this abomination to get past beta.
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    Oh good.

    Well, as we're not needing to provide any evidence either way then, and blanket statements rule:
    I think we haven't. I have no requirement to back it up either.
    Thanks, have a nice day.

    At least it saved me bothering to have to actually put some work into a reply, I guess.
  • TOmekkiTOmekki Join Date: 2003-11-25 Member: 23524Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1612275:date=Mar 7 2007, 03:28 PM:name=Cheese)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Cheese @ Mar 7 2007, 03:28 PM) [snapback]1612275[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Hmm lets see...im usually playing at the SEK's Servers where they use a balance system (every players k/d ratio is saved. not only that but which lifeform got killed by which weapon, how low it was on hp, how much tech you used, etc. same for aliens)

    Usually we play balanced games which means that both teams are at the same strength.
    Except that SEK didn't change anything about 3.2 final

    Results: I think its pretty balanced. sometimes aliens win, sometimes marines win. We also don't stick to one first chamber...we use all of them more or less randomly (depending on who cries the loudest).

    so...i guess it depends on how you shuffle the teams together.
    (we play 10vs10 max btw)
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    ok i have a question regarding the sek server. dont remove this post please because its not an assault against a community, just that the sek site is all german. so: why is there a plugin on the server that first tries to limit my fps at 100, then after i join a team it kicks me because my max fps is >100?
  • antichristantichrist Join Date: 2003-05-27 Member: 16769Members
    If aliens bite down rts at a respnable rate, aliens win, simple.
  • ubermenschubermensch Join Date: 2002-12-31 Member: 11692Banned
    someone needs to put this commofdoom guy in time out
  • ComproxComprox *chortle* Canada Join Date: 2002-01-23 Member: 7Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, NS2 Developer, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Silver, Subnautica Developer, Subnautica Playtester, Pistachionauts
    <!--quoteo(post=1612255:date=Mar 7 2007, 12:37 PM:name=G4B2S-Wired)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(G4B2S-Wired @ Mar 7 2007, 12:37 PM) [snapback]1612255[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    I'd like to see a PT who ISNT affiliated with a clan or competition. I'm not saying there isnt, I dont know enough about the PT team to really say who is or isnt, but I"d still like to see one.
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    Hi. I can honestly say I have never competed in any NS clan ladder, tournament, etc. I was in EC years ago, but we all know how much playing we did.
  • sawcesawce Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10787Members
    Heh I don't understand.

    The public betas were openly available to anyone who wanted them, but the <i>vast</i> majority of public servers vehemently refused to upgrade, typically because of a reason like "we don't want to be beta testers."

    Then when the final rolls around, you're upset with the end results.
  • DuoGodOfDeathDuoGodOfDeath Join Date: 2002-08-01 Member: 1044Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1612275:date=Mar 7 2007, 08:28 PM:name=Cheese)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Cheese @ Mar 7 2007, 08:28 PM) [snapback]1612275[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Hmm lets see...im usually playing at the SEK's<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Okay I played on this server a long time ago and probably dominated the server pretty good. Now this at least 5+ months ago and I get this message when I join.

    What does this mean?

    <a href="http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitledzk1.jpg" target="_blank">http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitledzk1.jpg</a>
  • UnderwhelmedUnderwhelmed DemoDetective #?&#33; Join Date: 2006-09-19 Member: 58026Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1612255:date=Mar 7 2007, 11:37 AM:name=G4B2S-Wired)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(G4B2S-Wired @ Mar 7 2007, 11:37 AM) [snapback]1612255[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    I'd like to see a PT who ISNT affiliated with a clan or competition. I'm not saying there isnt, I dont know enough about the PT team to really say who is or isnt, but I"d still like to see one.
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    Why? Clanners pub too.
  • PriestlyPriestly Join Date: 2006-10-30 Member: 58098Members
    Apparently you're not welcome there duo. Btw I think I remember you from the farthest back server I can remember with any clarity, TSAOutpost, I remember you owning there as well and people claiming you hack cause you shot your pistol too fast lol.
  • MiloMilo Join Date: 2007-03-07 Member: 60284Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1612345:date=Mar 8 2007, 12:31 AM:name=DuoGodOfDeath)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DuoGodOfDeath @ Mar 8 2007, 12:31 AM) [snapback]1612345[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Okay I played on this server a long time ago and probably dominated the server pretty good. Now this at least 5+ months ago and I get this message when I join.

    What does this mean?

    <a href="http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitledzk1.jpg" target="_blank">http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitledzk1.jpg</a>
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    Duo thats Italian for "Not a grateful person."

    Stop being an ungrateful person lol.
  • SmoodCrooznSmoodCroozn Join Date: 2003-11-04 Member: 22310Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1612342:date=Mar 7 2007, 04:29 PM:name=sawce)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(sawce @ Mar 7 2007, 04:29 PM) [snapback]1612342[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Heh I don't understand.

    The public betas were openly available to anyone who wanted them, but the <i>vast</i> majority of public servers vehemently refused to upgrade, typically because of a reason like "we don't want to be beta testers."

    Then when the final rolls around, you're upset with the end results.
    <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Erm, is it our fault that we only had two servers to test in, where most of the time, it was filled with bots?
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