Visible upgrades on player models

MarshalTT · November 2006

Sometimes when you try to kill an enemy you cant see or know what upgrades maybe he have.

Example. The marines in NS 1 always looks like they have full upgrades. I mean lvl 3 armor and the motion track. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/marine.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::marine::" border="0" alt="marine.gif" />

In NS 2 If a marine have lvl0 armor upgrade he shouldnt have a helmet and body armor. So you can see with your skulk he will be an easy prey.

In lvl 1 upgrade on the marine model will appear a light body armor. III
On lvl 2 a better body armor. //III\\

And on lvl 3 marine will get a helmet. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/marine.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::marine::" border="0" alt="marine.gif" /> Like the current model.

I hope you know what I mean. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />

glimmerman · November 2006

I think this is a good idea and ads some realism to the game. HA can have extra leg plates or something when as thier armour levels progress.

Soul_Rider · November 2006

I like this idea, it is very good, and shouldn't cause too many issues with implementation.

Maybe as an extension of this, players do not automatically get the next level upgrade in field.

For example:

Player 1 is dead and awaiting spawn when the upgrade to level 1 is completed. When he spawns he has level 1 armour.

Player 2 was still alive when the upgrade was completed. He remains with Level 0 armour until:

a) He dies and respawns
b) He returns to the arnoury and resupplies.

After each of these scanarios he ends up at Level 1 armour.

This just means when a skulk is in the middle of attacking a marine he doesn't miraculously add an extra load of armour!!

WorthyRival · November 2006

Im all for it.

MarshalTT · November 2006

Yes. This is important. Marines can only get the upgrades after a respawn or visiting the armory or maybe the armslab? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" /> (Armslab new secondary function?)

MarshalTT · November 2006

Also in firstperson if you have weapon upgrades your weapon models could be change. For example the pistol. (in NS the pistol model are always lvl 3 upgraded)

Soul_Rider · November 2006

And the same thing would apply, you would have to upgrade your weapon at the Armoury/Armslab.

glimmerman · November 2006

These ideas are fantastic. I mean, how can your gun magicaly upgrade while your in the field and vice versa.

Scribbles · November 2006

Nanites.

Abra · November 2006

ductape

Scribbles · November 2006

I don't think manual upgrades would work. People having to go to the base to get their guns upgraded, I mean.

People would camp the base because they don't want to miss an upgrade, and they would refuse to follow an order.

MarshalTT · November 2006

They wont miss the upgrades. If they die and respawn they will get the new weapons/armor
And if you get back to base you can pick these up.

It would be cool to see on the "field" there are some "veterans" who dont have any upgrades <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />

Oh and if your "upgraded" teamate die you can pick up the droped upgraded weapons. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />

N_3 · November 2006

i think at the moment, higher weapon upgrades give thicker and bigger more visible tracers

MarshalTT · November 2006

That is just an icon..

I want to see the changes on the weapon and player models.

Wyattx3 · November 2006

Theres not many times as an alien u get to stare at the marine to see what his armor looks like, unless its an obvious change in the model, its alot of work for little to no addition to gameplay, you can find out much faster the marines armor just by biting them anyways

DumbMarine · November 2006

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Theres not many times as an alien u get to stare at the marine to see what his armor looks like, unless its an obvious change in the model, its alot of work for little to no addition to gameplay, you can find out much faster the marines armor just by biting them anyways</div>

It's still a very cool idea that I approve of, although I think that the cosmetic upgrades should be immediate. (Buildings are effin falling out of the sky and gorges are vomiting hives, it's not that big a jump in realism)

And vets without upgrades is not cool.

NEX9 · November 2006

aye all for this i would lose like even more so mino cosmetic changes once you get lvl 2 armor you die upgrade what ever

as you respawn, so on, i would like to see different decals, tattoos, spray paints, boldaliers head bands, smokes a real gritty industrial third world army look, they are MARINES FOR FRIG SACKES not cloend storm troopers.

MarshalTT · February 2007

So what I want to see is this: Im out at the field for a long time. I have no upgrades because I couldn't visited the base, but i killed a lotsof aliens and I'm still alive and fighting. After a long fight I just get a PG to build up. Done. New fresh marines with upgrades arrive. I can see the new armors and weapons on them. They going forward to the hive. Ok now I need that damn upgrade too. I phase back to base and I went to the armslab. I use the Use key on it and i get my new body armor and upgrades for my weapons. If it is done I Phase back to the frontline.

kiddo · February 2007

good idea, but their will be lots of skins needed for each model, plus aliens themselves going to be a hand full. Too many skins maybe? but the idea is good, I really like it.

MarshalTT · February 2007

I think model changeing during the game is not a problem. In the current NS as alien model is often changeing. exp.:Skulk->egg->onos

For every lifeform and marrines there should be at least 3 types of models.

Bloo · February 2007

Or just do this:

Once the upgrade is completed the marines get the resupply sprites, and BOOM new armor.

They are space marines, not soldiers from ww2...

HatlabuFarkas · February 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MarshalTT @ Nov 28 2006, 03:04 AM) [snapback]1581542[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'>
Sometimes when you try to kill an enemy you cant see or know what upgrades maybe he have.

Example.... And on lvl 3 marine will get a helmet. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/marine.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::marine::" border="0" alt="marine.gif" /> Like the current model.</div>

Imagine the solider Without a helmet <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/marine.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::marine::" border="0" alt="marine.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/confused-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="???" border="0" alt="confused-fix.gif" /> how can see him a RADAR, and the ORDERS ??

Pikminwars · February 2007

This isn't that good of an idea. One of the elements in NS is NOT knowing what upgrades the other team has, and finding out by experience. Implementing visual changes for marines for upgrades would make it so the aliens would always know what upgrades the Marines had. The only possible way of balancing this is if the same thing was done to aliens(as in, small model changes for each upgrade), and I don't see that as worth it. There are too many balance issues, not to mention it would be too time consuming for nearly nothing.

waterbuster · February 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pikminwars @ Feb 5 2007, 10:20 PM) [snapback]1604081[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'>
This isn't that good of an idea. One of the elements in NS is NOT knowing what upgrades the other team has, and finding out by experience. Implementing visual changes for marines for upgrades would make it so the aliens would always know what upgrades the Marines had.</div>
This is actually a neat idea, but doesnt really have any benefits besides cosmetic changes to the models.(and the "wow" factor) I would think it could be a small selling point for the game if we had things like red eyes for sensory, or bulkier onos with carapace.(in-game screen shots maybe?)

When a marine gets an upgrade, its almost always noticed by the alien team. Thats always true for any situation. MT? They shoot me when going around corners. weapons upgrade? I die faster as a gorge or lerk. Armor? 3-5 bites on a marine. It wont matter if they have weapons upgrades and we can see them. We normally learn beforehand what they have.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pikminwars @ Feb 5 2007, 10:20 PM) [snapback]1604081[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'>The only possible way of balancing this is if the same thing was done to aliens(as in, small model changes for each upgrade), and I don't see that as worth it. There are too many balance issues, not to mention it would be too time consuming for nearly nothing.
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If it was done to aliens it would be cool. And I really dont see any problems with balancing, since it wouldnt affect game change in the slightest fashion.(except cosmetics)

Pikminwars · February 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>If it was done to aliens it would be cool. And I really dont see any problems with balancing, since it wouldnt affect game change in the slightest fashion.(except cosmetics)</div>

Lets stay that focus gives you yellow eyes, SoF gives you red, and cloaking gives you blue.

A lone marine walks down a hallway, and they see a skulk going past a doorway. The skulk notices the Marine, and hides to the side of the door. Lets assume the Marine has MT. The situation would change depending on the eyes the Marine sees:

If he sees yellow, he'll know to stay back, let the skulk cone to him, and possibly get backup.

If he sees red, he'll rush that SOB and shoot him in the face.

If he sees blue, he'll glue his eyes to the map to make sure where the skulk is and shoot sporadically to uncover the skulk if cloaked.

Not the best examples, but examples nonetheless on how it would effect gameplay.

Buzzou · February 2007

not all of the upgrades would need to be 'visible', maybe the sounds could be tweaked a bit. you can already tell what level guns the marines have, based on the sound that their turrets make....

you can obviously already tell if a skulk has cloak, as he is a bit transperent, and a focus cloak has pauses between bites, instead of chomp chomp chomp.... the same with celerity (it moves fast), redenpt (he vanishes when he's hurt) etc.
the only ones that you cant really tell are adren or SOF, or regen if they have silence. i'm not sure how you would fix them, but i think it would be better for the game.

i think armor upgades should be visible on marines, maybe they get a bit more padding on their suits, the higher the upgrade, the bulkier the armor looks. gun sounds on marines should change from level to level, not just their turrets. i dont think the guns should look any different the more you upgrade, that would just be too much work for the devs.

waterbuster · February 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pikminwars @ Feb 8 2007, 01:24 AM) [snapback]1604613[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'>
Lets stay that focus gives you yellow eyes, SoF gives you red, and cloaking gives you blue.</div>
Alright.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pikminwars @ Feb 8 2007, 01:24 AM) [snapback]1604613[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'>A lone marine walks down a hallway, and they see a skulk going past a doorway. The skulk notices the Marine, and hides to the side of the door. Lets assume the Marine has MT. The situation would change depending on the eyes the Marine sees:</div>
...if he had MT and just discovered the aliens had sensory, I would say bad marine team. Unless not a single player was killed or "found out" by being shot/ambushed for 3-6 minutes in a game, the marine would already know as well as the team.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pikminwars @ Feb 8 2007, 01:24 AM) [snapback]1604613[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'>If he sees yellow, he'll know to stay back, let the skulk cone to him, and possibly get backup.

If he sees red, he'll rush that SOB and shoot him in the face.

If he sees blue, he'll glue his eyes to the map to make sure where the skulk is and shoot sporadically to uncover the skulk if cloaked.

Not the best examples, but examples nonetheless on how it would effect gameplay.
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How does that affect gameplay?

Really.

Sensory? Sensory is apparent so early in the game it wouldnt make a difference in what the "eyes" happened to be. And its not like these eyes would ever glow in the dark like headlights.

Its cosmetic man. MC? Faster skulks. DC? Harder to kill or OMGPOOF disappearing higher lifeforms. SC? You will eventually see half-cloaked skulks run by, if not within 1 minute of the game. You will see marines being single shot killed.

And SC as an example is just a horrible example. Most teams that choose SC are noticed very soon. Its not going to change the game if the eyes are different colors.

glimmerman · February 2007

No to the rainbow eyes. Yes to the marine cosmetic changes/ sounds.

Pikminwars · February 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><b>
<span style="font-size:18pt;line-height:100%">Not the best examples</span></b>, but examples nonetheless on how it would effect gameplay.</div>

Thanks a lot for pointing out all the holes in my example that I already said wasn't all that great.

glimmerman · February 2007

No problems <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />

waterbuster · February 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pikminwars @ Feb 8 2007, 10:43 PM) [snapback]1604927[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'>
Thanks a lot for pointing out all the holes in my example that I already said wasn't all that great.
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Visible upgrades on player models

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