TWG XI: Host Elections
Byeka
Name changed from Freak83Toronto Join Date: 2003-03-13 Member: 14484Members, Constellation
Name changed from Freak83Toronto Join Date: 2003-03-13 Member: 14484Members, Constellation
<div class="IPBDescription">Vote your choice</div><b>Forum Name: EMP_Demon</b>
Number of Players: 19
Number of Wolves: 5
Number of Other: 1-3 active observers
Special Roles: Seer, Psychic, Guardian, Random Vigilante, 2 Lovers
Special Note: No death first night.
Lovers (as described by Mantrid): There are two Lovers. If one of them dies, the other dies immediatly from sadness. Lovers are randomly picked, so it is possible that a wolf and a civilian may be lovers.
Random Vigilante: A random civilian is designated as the Vigilante, without being told. At each night, every civilain will send in a PM as a Vigilante would; either selecting a player to kill, or not killing anyone. Only the chosen Vigilante's PM will be acted on.
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<b>Forum name: Theslan</b>
Players: 18
Wolves 3 + 1 (converted)
Roles: Seer, psychic, guardian, forensic specialist (modified!)
1 Active Spectator
Mini-game: Clue-style mystery.
Mini-game roles: Investigator, clue manipulator, mapmaker.
Explaination of conversion: This is similar to my last host game. The first night is twice as long (2 days). Wolves will be informed early of their roles, and get to choose another player to join them. After the wolves have chosen their victim, all other roles, including the roles to the mini-game will be passed out. At this time, any non-roles will be informed they are human.
Seer, psychic, and guardian are normal.
Forensic specialist (modified): This roles gets to choose if he wants to look at one body per night. He is not forced to look. Every night, wolves get to choose which body they want to spy on. If the forensic specialist and wolves choose the same dead body, the role from the dead body is revealed to both groups. The forensic specialist does not get notified if he was spied on. The wolves do not get to know the role of the forensic specialist.
Now.... the minigame and the roles.
The minigame will be clue style. This means there is a weapon, there is a player, and there is a room. There will be 6 clues,
similar to Freak83's game. There will be global clues, as well as specific clues. At this time, there might be hidden clues in the story for the combination.
Investigator: This is the same as Freak83's version. The role can be for either side.
Clue manipulator: This role is a bit tricky. This role has the ability to change the clue in that specific room. He/she is allowed to remove, add, or replace one word per night, according to what he can change. He isn't allowed to change key words. For instance, if he stumbles on this clue:
"<!--coloro:#006600--><span style="color:#006600"><!--/coloro-->The <!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--><!--coloro:#CC0000--><span style="color:#CC0000"><!--/coloro-->candlestick<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--><!--coloro:#006600--><span style="color:#006600"><!--/coloro--> is the murderer's weapon.<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->"
Notice that the word 'candlestick' is red. The rest of the words are green. He cannot change the red words, but he is allowed to do anything wants with the green words. For instance, here are 2 versions:
- <!--coloro:#006600--><span style="color:#006600"><!--/coloro-->The <!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--><!--coloro:#CC0000--><span style="color:#CC0000"><!--/coloro-->candlestick<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--><!--coloro:#006600--><span style="color:#006600"><!--/coloro--> is not the murderer's weapon.<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
- <!--coloro:#006600--><span style="color:#006600"><!--/coloro-->The <!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--><!--coloro:#CC0000--><span style="color:#CC0000"><!--/coloro-->candlestick<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--><!--coloro:#006600--><span style="color:#006600"><!--/coloro--> is the innocent weapon.<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
Note that once the clue manipulator finds the clue, he is allowed to change the clue's message again even if he does not find the clue again the room. The change occurs before the other person finds the clue. This role can be on either side.
Mapmaker: This role basically is allowed to see where everyone is in the map. That's right, he has the map that everyone was allowed to see in Freak's game! This means that nobody will be able to see where anyone is at! You will, however, get a message of who was in the same room as you were. This role is also on either side.
Some Q/A, mainly concerning the forensic specialist:
What happens if wolves does not give a name of a dead body to spy upon?
- Wolves do not get a random.org pick a dead body. That night, the wolves are lazy and therefore did not spy on any dead body.
What happens if wolves choose the dead body and kills the specialist on the same night?
- Wolves gets the role of the dead body and kills the specialist.
When does the specialist receives the role of the dead body?
- And the end of the night (beginning of next day).
When the specialist finds a dead body of the role for the mini-game and not for the actual special roles (wolves, seer, etc), does he get informed?
- Yes. The specialist will be informed if the dead person is an investigator, clue manipulator, or mapmaker.
Do other people get to see color clues?
- No. That defeats the purpose if they can see the red/green messages. They only see plaintext.
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I should note that I will not be revealing what the artifact is. However, I will note that it is an active power, one that the person must use, or it does nothing.
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<b>Forum Name: Eternaly_Lost</b>
Players: 16
Wolves: 2 + 2 (Two pick randomly, 1 pick at start (by they wolfs), 1 to be picked at anytime)
This is set up so that wolfs, can have a bit more of an advantage. They start with 3, and at any time, even if they are all dead, one person can be converted to the wolfs. Best left to latter for the wolfs, as if they all get lynch, they can still pick one person to convert, at night.
The person the wolf can covert has one restriction, they can not convert the psychopath, they could convert the seer, the only persons immune to convention are the psychopath and the wizard, as he is a wolf from the start.
A convert will fail if the person is guarded, or if the wolf's target at night is failed to be wolfed, but the wolfs can try again.
Roles:
2 Seer- There is 2 seers, but they have a weakness, they will see each other as wolfs. They will see the psychopath as a human, if seered once, on the second time they will be told that he is the psychopath.
1 Guardian- He is restricted so that he can not guard the same person twice in a row. So if he guards player A he can not guard player A next night.
1 Psychic- He is normal, expect that he always get the maximum number of possible wolfs left. In this case, if the wolfs wait and only have 3, the humans have no way of knowing.
1 Psychopath- He has a few changes, he is immune to one wolfing, and does not have a chance of dieing if he target the same target as the wolfs.
1 Wizard- Slight change, as each day/night cycle passes, he gets a +20% chance per night to reveal himself if he does get wolfed. So at night one it 50%, night 2 is 70%.
5 Roles, + 3 Wolfs = 8, so we have 8 normal humans.
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Please bold your vote for whomever you would like to see host (EMP_Demon, Theslan, or Eternaly_Lost). If one player holds the majority of the votes after a couple of days he'll win. Otherwise, we'll knock off the player with the least votes and keep going until someone has a clear majority.
Number of Players: 19
Number of Wolves: 5
Number of Other: 1-3 active observers
Special Roles: Seer, Psychic, Guardian, Random Vigilante, 2 Lovers
Special Note: No death first night.
Lovers (as described by Mantrid): There are two Lovers. If one of them dies, the other dies immediatly from sadness. Lovers are randomly picked, so it is possible that a wolf and a civilian may be lovers.
Random Vigilante: A random civilian is designated as the Vigilante, without being told. At each night, every civilain will send in a PM as a Vigilante would; either selecting a player to kill, or not killing anyone. Only the chosen Vigilante's PM will be acted on.
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<b>Forum name: Theslan</b>
Players: 18
Wolves 3 + 1 (converted)
Roles: Seer, psychic, guardian, forensic specialist (modified!)
1 Active Spectator
Mini-game: Clue-style mystery.
Mini-game roles: Investigator, clue manipulator, mapmaker.
Explaination of conversion: This is similar to my last host game. The first night is twice as long (2 days). Wolves will be informed early of their roles, and get to choose another player to join them. After the wolves have chosen their victim, all other roles, including the roles to the mini-game will be passed out. At this time, any non-roles will be informed they are human.
Seer, psychic, and guardian are normal.
Forensic specialist (modified): This roles gets to choose if he wants to look at one body per night. He is not forced to look. Every night, wolves get to choose which body they want to spy on. If the forensic specialist and wolves choose the same dead body, the role from the dead body is revealed to both groups. The forensic specialist does not get notified if he was spied on. The wolves do not get to know the role of the forensic specialist.
Now.... the minigame and the roles.
The minigame will be clue style. This means there is a weapon, there is a player, and there is a room. There will be 6 clues,
similar to Freak83's game. There will be global clues, as well as specific clues. At this time, there might be hidden clues in the story for the combination.
Investigator: This is the same as Freak83's version. The role can be for either side.
Clue manipulator: This role is a bit tricky. This role has the ability to change the clue in that specific room. He/she is allowed to remove, add, or replace one word per night, according to what he can change. He isn't allowed to change key words. For instance, if he stumbles on this clue:
"<!--coloro:#006600--><span style="color:#006600"><!--/coloro-->The <!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--><!--coloro:#CC0000--><span style="color:#CC0000"><!--/coloro-->candlestick<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--><!--coloro:#006600--><span style="color:#006600"><!--/coloro--> is the murderer's weapon.<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->"
Notice that the word 'candlestick' is red. The rest of the words are green. He cannot change the red words, but he is allowed to do anything wants with the green words. For instance, here are 2 versions:
- <!--coloro:#006600--><span style="color:#006600"><!--/coloro-->The <!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--><!--coloro:#CC0000--><span style="color:#CC0000"><!--/coloro-->candlestick<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--><!--coloro:#006600--><span style="color:#006600"><!--/coloro--> is not the murderer's weapon.<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
- <!--coloro:#006600--><span style="color:#006600"><!--/coloro-->The <!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--><!--coloro:#CC0000--><span style="color:#CC0000"><!--/coloro-->candlestick<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--><!--coloro:#006600--><span style="color:#006600"><!--/coloro--> is the innocent weapon.<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
Note that once the clue manipulator finds the clue, he is allowed to change the clue's message again even if he does not find the clue again the room. The change occurs before the other person finds the clue. This role can be on either side.
Mapmaker: This role basically is allowed to see where everyone is in the map. That's right, he has the map that everyone was allowed to see in Freak's game! This means that nobody will be able to see where anyone is at! You will, however, get a message of who was in the same room as you were. This role is also on either side.
Some Q/A, mainly concerning the forensic specialist:
What happens if wolves does not give a name of a dead body to spy upon?
- Wolves do not get a random.org pick a dead body. That night, the wolves are lazy and therefore did not spy on any dead body.
What happens if wolves choose the dead body and kills the specialist on the same night?
- Wolves gets the role of the dead body and kills the specialist.
When does the specialist receives the role of the dead body?
- And the end of the night (beginning of next day).
When the specialist finds a dead body of the role for the mini-game and not for the actual special roles (wolves, seer, etc), does he get informed?
- Yes. The specialist will be informed if the dead person is an investigator, clue manipulator, or mapmaker.
Do other people get to see color clues?
- No. That defeats the purpose if they can see the red/green messages. They only see plaintext.
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I should note that I will not be revealing what the artifact is. However, I will note that it is an active power, one that the person must use, or it does nothing.
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<b>Forum Name: Eternaly_Lost</b>
Players: 16
Wolves: 2 + 2 (Two pick randomly, 1 pick at start (by they wolfs), 1 to be picked at anytime)
This is set up so that wolfs, can have a bit more of an advantage. They start with 3, and at any time, even if they are all dead, one person can be converted to the wolfs. Best left to latter for the wolfs, as if they all get lynch, they can still pick one person to convert, at night.
The person the wolf can covert has one restriction, they can not convert the psychopath, they could convert the seer, the only persons immune to convention are the psychopath and the wizard, as he is a wolf from the start.
A convert will fail if the person is guarded, or if the wolf's target at night is failed to be wolfed, but the wolfs can try again.
Roles:
2 Seer- There is 2 seers, but they have a weakness, they will see each other as wolfs. They will see the psychopath as a human, if seered once, on the second time they will be told that he is the psychopath.
1 Guardian- He is restricted so that he can not guard the same person twice in a row. So if he guards player A he can not guard player A next night.
1 Psychic- He is normal, expect that he always get the maximum number of possible wolfs left. In this case, if the wolfs wait and only have 3, the humans have no way of knowing.
1 Psychopath- He has a few changes, he is immune to one wolfing, and does not have a chance of dieing if he target the same target as the wolfs.
1 Wizard- Slight change, as each day/night cycle passes, he gets a +20% chance per night to reveal himself if he does get wolfed. So at night one it 50%, night 2 is 70%.
5 Roles, + 3 Wolfs = 8, so we have 8 normal humans.
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Please bold your vote for whomever you would like to see host (EMP_Demon, Theslan, or Eternaly_Lost). If one player holds the majority of the votes after a couple of days he'll win. Otherwise, we'll knock off the player with the least votes and keep going until someone has a clear majority.
Comments
<b>Theslan's game</b>: Another clue-style game would be fun. Will the clues be in a form where it's actually useful for the Clue Manipulator to change a word? In the example you provided, the only useful thing they could really do is negate the clue, and it looks obvious enough that the clue is being manipulated (unless there will be clues with and without the word "not" or something similar).
<b>Eternaly_Lost's game</b>: "They (the seers) will see the psychopath as a human, if seered once, on the second time they will be told that he is the psychopath." Does this have to be two checks by the same seer, or would it also count if each seer checked them once? About the conversions: you say that the conversion can happen at any time, yet you also say it will fail if the wolf's night target doesn't get wolfed. Does that mean the conversions can only happen at night? I'm guessing if the last wolf dies, then they will be the person to decide on a convert; do they lose the opportunity to convert someone if they pick a player that can't be converted and then they are left with no wolves? What does the wizard see when they check the psychopath (the rules thread only mentions the results for checking a wolf, plain human or human with a role)?
For instance, here's another clue:
The weapon contains many letters. (In this case, weapon is red, I'm just lazy and don't want to color it right now)
Clue manipulator can change it to:
The weapon contains 8 letters.
<b>EMP_Demon's game</b>: Random vigilante seems interesting, it might be worth it for people to try night 1 kills so they can find out if they are the vigilante. If two wolves get picked as lovers, will you be reassigning it (we need a wolf win eventually, that would make it too hard on the wolves)? Also, the two lovers know who each other are, right? (I would assume so, but it doesn't say so in this thread or in the stickied rules thread.)
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1. ) Night one won't make it 100% certain, after all, more than one person might select the same target.
2. ) I probably won't have to...
2 wolves: 5/19 * 4/18 = 5.85%
1 wolf, 1 human: 5/19 * 14/18 * 2 = 40.94%
2 humans: 14/19 * 13/18 = 53.21%
(This math should be correct)
However, should the situation arise, I'll probably re-roll them, as the humans can already get two kills per day if the seer manages to contact the Vigilante...
3. ) Yes, they know who each other are, but they don't know each others' roles. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
Oh, and...
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4. ) <strike>Apparently, it's not in the FAQ, but I'm pretty sure wolves win as soon as they have 50% or more of the remaining players (3 humans and 3 wolves would be immediate game over; Freak, can you confirm this?).</strike>
Bah, there it is, right near the beginning of the FAQ: <i>The object of the game is for humans to “kill” all of the wolves without having the wolves outnumber them. The object for the wolves is to lower the number of humans down so <b>they are even or outnumber them in order to win.</i></b>
However, if the only two people are lovers, then... They both win. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" /> Hey, it makes sense, however unlikely it is to happen.
Edit: Not that I disagree with your decision, I'm just pointing out why the question is still necessary.
<b>Eternaly_Lost's game</b>: "They (the seers) will see the psychopath as a human, if seered once, on the second time they will be told that he is the psychopath." Does this have to be two checks by the same seer, or would it also count if each seer checked them once? About the conversions: you say that the conversion can happen at any time, yet you also say it will fail if the wolf's night target doesn't get wolfed. Does that mean the conversions can only happen at night? I'm guessing if the last wolf dies, then they will be the person to decide on a convert; do they lose the opportunity to convert someone if they pick a player that can't be converted and then they are left with no wolves? What does the wizard see when they check the psychopath (the rules thread only mentions the results for checking a wolf, plain human or human with a role)?
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I typed that up fast so that why some thing are unclear.
A seer has to seer the psychopath twice to make it show up as the psychopath. This is to help the psychopath as early on the seer does not have enough time to cheek everyone twice. Once all the wolfs are dead, the psychopath, if still alive, need to stay hidden, but can be revealed, so it the same seer that need to seer him.
The conversion can happen at any time, if the wolfs got a kill last night, or there is no wolfs left. If the wolfs missed a kill last night, due to a Guardian save or what ever, then they have to try at night with the wolfing. If it done at night, the Guardian can stop it by guarding the person targeted to be wolfed or converted.
If the conversion is due to all the other wolfs, are dead there is only one limitation, the psychopath can not be converted, in this case they will be told who it is, and then they will get to pick.
The wolfs must convert if they all die and have a convention left, unless the wizard is alive, then can hold off until the wizard dies, as the wizard is on the wolf's team.
The wizard would see him as a human, otherwise the wolfs might kill him to early.
(I real did type that up fast, 6 Roles, + 3 Wolfs = 9, so we have 7 normal humans. )
The game will end if there is no way for the otherwises to win, assuming logical actions.
So if there is 3 humans, the psychopath , and 3 wolfs + wizard, it still on.
as the psychopath can still win and he could allow the humans to win.
Please poke holes in this if you can find them I want to make sure that everything is clear.
I would like to add an active spectator (Limit 3).
I would also like to change to player count to 16-18 Where based on sign ups I will start with no less then 16, and no more then 18.
I would also like to suggest that spectators get slots in the next game after, if they want them, like the host of the prior game.
Also I plan on co-hosting this with nightstaker, but he has been unreachable, so that I may have some changes here to make.
The psychopath wins if he is equal alive with one other human, or ties if he is alive with 1 wolf (if he been protected before) or 2 (if he has not been) This is to make it harder on the wolfs, so they don't leave him alive then kill him, at the end. The reason for 2 wolfs if he is guarded is that they would just attack each other, and tie out.
Generally speaking, it doesn't seem like wolves should immediately win when the numbers are tied. Let's say that the day ends with a human lynched, so 3 wolves and 3 humans. A vigilante kills a wolf during the night, and the guardian saves a human, suddenly there are more humans than wolves again. The Rules thread was written a while ago, and some of that stuff doesn't necessarily carry over directly when you add in special roles. Of course, it's a bit different going into the day time, but I figured the idea is that the wolves could simply outnumber the humans in votes, and that's why you end the game. The case with one person on each side seems like a special case (and it was unlikely to come up in earlier games when it could only happen from a guardian save).
Edit: Not that I disagree with your decision, I'm just pointing out why the question is still necessary.
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Ah, good point. Perhaps it should be only determined at the end of a night (after all the roles make their move).
I vote for <b>Theslan</b>. The clue thing in my game motivated activity plus I hosted it, and would actually like to play a game in this situation now.
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I also vote for <b>Theslan</b> That game with freak was fun.
Might I suggest a small change, make the investigator see only the correct clue, so that the Clue manipulator does not have absolute power over the clues.
I also vote for <b>Theslan</b> That game with freak was fun.
Might I suggest a small change, make the investigator see only the correct clue, so that the Clue manipulator does not have absolute power over the clues.
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Sorry, but it stands that the investigator cannot see through the manipulator's work. I think you are overestimating how much power the clue manipulator has. He has to be able to find the room with the clue, and then change it. Unless he starts in a room with a clue in it, he won't be able to change it until night 2.
Oh, and to clarify the clue manipulator's role... if he finds a clue in the room, he can change it during that night. Of course, he does not have to change the clue... he could just ignore it.
When will players get clue responses? If it's the end of the night like in Freak83's game, they won't have a chance to change the clue during the night. That's also the only way to account for deciding who gets the clue if multiple people are in the room, as far as I can tell.
In this particular case, the clue manipulator can change it during the day. Essentially he gets one chance to change the clue when he finds it. The next time he wants to change it, he has to change it before the end of the night.
So the due dates are like this:
First night: he finds a clue. He has until the next day to PM me if he wants to change the clue.
Second night: He does not need to search again for the same clue. However, he has until the end of that night to tell me if he wants to change the clue.
NOTE: In order for him to change the clue for the second night, he needs to stay in the room. He cannot change the clue and move on to another room to search for another clue.
Vote count
Theslan (3) - Freak83, Eternaly_Lost, im_lost
What rules are we going to use for the active spectator? Obviously they can talk in IRC and post on the forum. I'm thinking they shouldn't be allowed to have private conversations with anyone playing in the game; maybe living players could be allowed to give them information privately to influence their thoughts, but the spectator couldn't say anything privately to other players. One way or another, it needs to be decided before the game starts.
The active spectator have the exact same access to the game as any normal spectator would. They would be able to view the forum thread and watch what goes on in the IRC channel. The only difference between an active and a non-active spectator would be that the active one could post in the game thread as well. He would have no extra information provided to him.
That being said, it was my interpretation and it's up to the game host whether or not they choose to use it that way or somehow else.
As I can't actually play at the moment, i don't think it will be fair to cast a vote in these elections, so i won't..
New vote count:
Theslan (2) - Freak83, im_lost
Eternaly_Lost (1) - Eternaly_Lost
I like Theslan's idea too, although it has the same problem.
E_lost's is my favorite right now-it might be too wolf biased though(the wolf conversion sounds good, but it needs some limits. I don't think it should be allowed after a certain time. An end game conversion is too overpowering, but a mid-game one would add the necessary confusion the wolves need)
No vote yet, soon though.
Anyway, <b> Eternally_Lost </b> please.
I like Emp Demon's game size and and roles, but it's too human biased. Perhaps you could edit in some special wolf perks?
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I figured that having 5 wolves would do the trick, as well as the likelihood of taking down two humans at once or taking a human down with one of the wolves... I wasn't aware it WAS human-biased!
@Zor2, your vote is definatly valid! Look forward to playing with you! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
Theslan (2) - Freak83, im_lost
Eternaly_Lost (2) - Eternaly_Lost, Zor2
EMP_Demon (2) - GrayDuck, Xentor
I like Emp Demon's game size and and roles, but it's too human biased. Perhaps you could edit in some special wolf perks?
I like Theslan's idea too, although it has the same problem.
E_lost's is my favorite right now-it might be too wolf biased though(the wolf conversion sounds good, but it needs some limits. I don't think it should be allowed after a certain time. An end game conversion is too overpowering, but a mid-game one would add the necessary confusion the wolves need)
No vote yet, soon though.
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I left off most restrictions because i felt that with 2 seers, if they manage to link up, although hard to do so, due to the other seer appearing as a wolf, it would be very bad on the wolfs. This lets the wolfs have a way to get in on the seer's network mid game or allow them to stay alive if the get a bad run. as two of them can die on a night day cycle.
I'll go with <b>theslan</b>. I like clues, as long as they don't lead to a retardedly overpowered object that's not counterable in any fashion. Not that it's happened like that before or anything.
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But it was counterable. Night-kill Comprox, night-kill me.
But it was counterable. Night-kill Comprox, night-kill me.
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How were the wolves to know that Comprox was the guardian? :|
Basically my mini game would have deaths each night be associated with some different stories.
An example of what I am think is this.
(person a) wandered out into the garden. He was angry, he had just escape from the mob of people who wanted to lynch him, looking around he saw a good place to hide, it was behind a statue. move up close he could see that it was of some large animal, it reminded him of a rhino, but it was not a rhino. Looking around it he found a spot to hide, in the bushes near by. Getting into the location quickly, he drops down, carefully watching the path he took in so that he would be able to run if needed. Seething the mob enter, he stop breathing, watching them move around the statue. He hear the mob pass by. Sighing with relief for escaping for now, he starts to stand up, causing a switch to trip. The last thing he feels is the warm breath of something behind him, then most darkness. (person a) shows up dead next to the statue later that day.
You would have to tell me what killed him, in this case, or in others, where it came from, ect.
I would award points to people based on the order I get to correct solution to each day's problem.
So the first one correct would get 3 points. The next 2 points. The third 1 point.
This would be open to even the people who where lynched and would (I hope) increase the talking of people in the channel, talking about it.
I would have very general clues in the story, but each spectator would have the solution. They could talk about it, gives hints, but not tell anyone what it was.
So what do you think? ( and who here knows the answer to that one? )