TWG X Postgame
Byeka
Name changed from Freak83Toronto Join Date: 2003-03-13 Member: 14484Members, Constellation
Name changed from Freak83Toronto Join Date: 2003-03-13 Member: 14484Members, Constellation
<b><u><!--sizeo:6--><span style="font-size:24pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo-->Table of Contents</b></u><!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec-->
1. Awards
2. Roles and Stuff
3. Game Tracking
4. TWG XI Host Sign-Ups!
5. Individual Clues
6. Game Log and Group Clues
<b><u><!--sizeo:6--><span style="font-size:24pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo-->1. Awards</b></u><!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec-->
MVP goes to both im_lost and TheAdj!
im_lost who has played in many TWG games before pulled out all the stops this time around. Not only did he quickly manage to form an alliance with the Guardian, but was also able to find the Artifact by Night Three! He also told the wolves that he was the Seer and <i>still</i> managed to survive the game!
TheAdj a new player to TWG and a wolf did some really tricky things that are major wolf accomplishments. If the wolves had managed to take out im_lost on night two this game would have gone VERY differently. Not only was TheAdj able to sway Theslan and build up a strong network for the wolves throughout the game, but he and Petco set up a fake seer gambit after Isamil died which almost worked. Very tricky, and very well played!
Eternaly_lost also gets an honourable mention! By night two he <i>already held <u>five</u> of the individual clues.</i>
<b><u><!--sizeo:6--><span style="font-size:24pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo-->2. Roles and Stuff</b></u><!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec-->
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue"><!--/coloro-->1. im_lost (Survived!)<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:red--><span style="color:red"><!--/coloro-->2. Eternaly_Lost (Wolf and Investigator – Lynched Day Four)<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue"><!--/coloro-->3. Nightstalker (Psychic – Wolfed Night Four)<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue"><!--/coloro-->4. Comprox (Guardian – Wolfed Night Six)<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green"><!--/coloro-->5. Xentor (Survived!)<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green"><!--/coloro-->6. screaming_tree4 (Lynched Day Two)<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green"><!--/coloro-->7. Demiguise (Lynched Day Three)<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:red--><span style="color:red"><!--/coloro-->8. Petco (Wolf – Lynched Day Seven)<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green"><!--/coloro-->9. EMP_Demon (Wolfed Night Seven)<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green"><!--/coloro-->10. doomchica (Wolfed Night Five)<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:red--><span style="color:red"><!--/coloro-->11. TheAdj (Wolf – Lynched Day Six)<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green"><!--/coloro-->12. Omegaman (Lynched Day One)<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green"><!--/coloro-->13. Chakuu (Survived!)<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green"><!--/coloro-->14. Theslan (Survived!)<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:red--><span style="color:red"><!--/coloro-->15. Isamil (Wolf - Killed by Artifact Day Five)<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green"><!--/coloro-->16. GrayDuck (Survived!)<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green"><!--/coloro-->17. Mantrid (Wolfed Night Two)<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
<b><u><!--sizeo:6--><span style="font-size:24pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo-->3. Game Tracking</b></u><!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec-->
NIGHT ONE:
im_lost seers doomchica
Clue 1: Xentor
Clue 2: Chakuu
Clue 3: Isamil
Clue 4: im_lost
Clue 5: Petco
Clue 6: TheAdj
NIGHT TWO:
im_lost seers Comprox
Comprox guards im_lost
Wolves kill Mantrid
Clue 1: doomchica
Clue 2: Theslan
Clue 3: Chakuu
Clue 4: Eternaly_Lost
Clue 5: Nightstalker
Clue 6: EMP_Demon
NIGHT THREE:
im_lost seers Xentor
Comprox guards im_lost
Wolves kill im_lost
Clue 1: EMP_Demon
Clue 2: TheAdj
Clue 3: Theslan
Clue 4: GrayDuck
Clue 5: Isamil
Clue 6:
NIGHT FOUR:
im_lost seers Eternaly_Lost
Comprox guards im_lost
Wolves kill Nightstalker
NIGHT FIVE:
im_lost seers EMP_Demon
Comprox guards im_lost
Wolves kill doomchica
NIGHT SIX:
im_lost seers TheAdj
Comprox guards im_lost
Wolves kill Comprox
NIGHT SEVEN:
im_lost seers Petco
wolves kill EMP_Demon
<b><u><!--sizeo:6--><span style="font-size:24pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo-->4. TWG XI Host Sign-Ups!</b></u><!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec-->
If you would like to host TWG XI please send your description to me at freak83 AT gmail DOT com
Because of the recent forum inactivity I also have a suggestion for anyone who wishes to host. One idea that popped into my head is to include in your game a player who would be an active spectator. This player could sign up for the role prior to the game but would not be a human, or a wolf. He would not vote and could not be killed. Because of this he would simply be able to comment on the game and hopefully stir up some forum activity. This is simply a suggestion, so please feel free to include or not include it when you apply to host.
Also, from this point I will not be running the host-elections each game. It will be an additional responsibility of the game host to run the next host sign-ups and elections. Because I hosted TWG X I will be running the sign-ups and elections for TWG XI. However the host of TWG XI will run it for TWG XII, and so forth.
<b><u><!--sizeo:6--><span style="font-size:24pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo-->5. Individual Clues</b></u><!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec-->
In this game the Artifact played a large role, perhaps too large of a role or maybe it was just enough? Either way, one of the ways you could get it was by finding the individual clues. Here’s where they were located:
<img src="http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y156/Freak83/TWG%20X/MapDefaultWithClues.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />
1. Only the fifth number is even
2. The lowest digit is "2"
3. The first number follows the fifth number
4. The first and second number when added will equal "10"
5. The sum of the second and third number is the same of that of the sum of the first and second number
6. The second number in the sequence is not the largest number in the sequence
Prior to the game, I numbered them in the way it was best to solve them. To run through it:
_ _ _ _ 2 – After reading the first two clues, this is what you should be able to figure out. The lowest number is 2 and only the last digit is even. Quite simply it’s the only place it can go.
3 _ _ _ 2 – After clue three, you should be able to figure out the first digit is three.
3 7 _ _ 2 – After clue four, you know the second number has to be ‘7’ since 3+7=10
3 7 3 _ 2 – After clue five, you know that the third number must also be ‘3’
3 7 3 9 2 – Clue five doesn’t tell you what the fourth number is but it eliminates all other possibilities. Since you know the second number isn’t the largest, the fourth number has to be either ‘8’ or ‘9’. If you re-read clue number one, only the fifth number is even. By process of elimination the only possible number it can be is ‘9’.
<b><u><!--sizeo:6--><span style="font-size:24pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo-->6. Game Log and Group Clues</b></u><!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec-->
This was the game log I kept. In it I also included my description of how to read the group clues.
NIGHT ONE (End)
So far the game has gotten off to a very interesting start. In my oppinion I think the wolves currently have a HUGE advantage. For one thing, Eternaly_Lost who is a wolf is also the investigator. He will always find a clue in a room he searches as long as that room contains a clue.
Secondly, tonight three of the four wolves managed to find an individual clue. They already have 50% of the individual clue puzzel on their side! Uh oh! I'm also wondering if anyone has spotted any of the group clues so far... I warned them that they would be very vague but how seriously did they take me? One of the group clues was in the pregame thread where I said they would have to thinK "Outside the box" to understand the group clues.... funny thing was that was one of the clues right there. TWG X IS in fact the box, and if they only use the group clues within the game they're not gonna get anywhere. The second and third group clue were both given in the picture of the vault.
The second clue was that I showed them the combination was 5 characters long, and I used 5 zero's to show it. The third group clue was also in that picture, this one was the most obvious clue I gave and I hoped it wasn't too obvious but I guess not. Did they notice that the "design" on the vault are the roman numerals IV? If they inspected TWG IV: Freya they would notice that the game is 5 characters long... just like the vault code. Coincidence? I think not.
Finally the fourth group clue was in the Day One story. In the story im_lost talks about his past, and his past was taken straight out of the story for TWG II. Notice any similarities? This clue is of course biased towards players who actually took part in TWG II but I trust that im_lost will point this out. He already did say in the IRC channel:
<im_lost> tying this story with a previous one, that's interesting
Yes, the clue shows that I'm using stuff from other TWG games. How long will it take them to piece this puzzel together? I can't wait! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
DAY TWO (START)
A lot of activity has gone by since night one ended. Four pages for the first day, I'm very happy to see the amount of discussion going on and people seem to like the whole 'minigame' integrated into TWG. It adds stuff to talk about. Now... throughout day one people ended up talking a lot about the individual clues, it turns out that our investigator/wolf Eternaly_Lost who didn't actually find any clue night one is now in possession of five of them. His wolf comrades picked up one clue each so that gave him three right there, he was then able to smooth talk his way into getting a clue from im_lost and Nightslayer so he now has five clues. Oh yeah, he also learned that Nightstalker is the Psychic so the wolves have that information, they're doing REALLY well. The day ended and they bandwagoned Omegaman off for being inactive. One human down.
Nightime comes and im_lost seers Comprox, I'm pretty sure he learned that Comprox is the Guardian shortly after talking to him because soon enough I get a PM from Comprox telling me he wants to protect im_lost. The wolves are doing well but there now appears to be a seer and guardian alliance, quite a powerful combination. Demiguise and Mantrid both did not send me any map movements tonight, and the wolves for some weird unexplainable reason chose to kill Mantrid. I thought for sure Nightstalker was going to die but I guess they figured if he told someone else that Eternaly_Lost knew he was the Psychic he would be gone for sure.
In terms of group clues I gave one more out in the going into night and one more in the going into day story. Both were REALLY vague especially the latter. In the going into night story I posted this: "Please if you are able to figure out the combination send a text message to my personal cell phone number listed here on the screen. I wish all of you the best of luck, and happy hunting!"
See the thing I'm doing here is basically saying "if you figure out the combination" do this. I mean, I don't want to make anything too obvious here but when you see something stand out like this you know something has to be up. Take a look at your cell phone or any touchtone phone and you will see letters on each of the numbers. Now go look at TWG IV: Freya and spell out "Freya" on your phone. Know what you'll enter? 37392, that's the combination. Actually Petco was really close with his guess from the previous night. He guessed 37344, close one. The going into daytime story was even more vague with the clue. Basically in the story there three near death situations, and then the fourth person died. Yeah count 'em, four. Notice this common trend with that number?
People have also started talking more about the group clues so I've been a little lienient in the day phase so far and given some clarification on them. They now know a bit more and I restated the group clue from pregame about thinking outside the box. I know, I'm way too freaking nice.
im_lost also gave me a little bit of information at this point of what's been going on with him behind the scenes. Basically he and Comprox have been working together discussing possible codes and getting clues. It turns out that im_lost got the one from me, plus two from others, and Comprox got two from others as well. Doomchica also has one clue and im_lost intends to get it from her once she gets home. If he does have all the correct clues then indeed, im_lost or Comprox will most definatly have the combination tonight. I don't know what those wolves are up to yet but if they can get that last clue (or figure out my group one) they can get it too. Either way I think the artifact will be found tonight. On a completely unrelated side note, my World of Warcraft month just ended and I don't know if I'm going to get it again until spring. =(
im_lost messaged me earlier telling me that he thinks he knows what the combination is and he showed me his guess. Yep, looks like he's got it but have the wolves got it too? Anyway, it's the first to PM it to me at night that counts. I wonder who will get it first.
NIGHT SEVEN (START)
It's been a long while since I made any logs but there's been quite a few things happening and I need to put my thoughts together. First of all, since I last wrote, the psychic died, so did the guardian and three wolves. Right now there are two sides, on one we have the human network of im_lost, Comprox (dead), EMP_Demon, and I believe Xentor. On the other side is Petco and TheAdj (dead), and in the middle we have Theslan and Chakuu who haven't really taken any side, or at least are having trouble doing so.
Right after the Artifact killed Isamil I got a PM from TheAdj who was obviously quite mad. The wolves were doing quite well, and without this death the probability for a wolf win was much higher. TheAdj was the first player to send me detailed game logs with some of his conversations with Isamil, Comprox, and Theslan. A quote from TheAdj's log with Isamil:
[Isamil]: in the event that im_lost is lynched(which is looking pretty good right now), make sure you move and search bedrooms
[TheAdj`]: im *in* bedrooms
[Isamil]: ah, had the wrong map
[TheAdj`]: i moved here anticipating killing him today
[TheAdj`]: theslan is here as well
[Isamil]: chakuu can move and search there
[TheAdj`]: if it drops theslan or myself will get it
[Isamil]: chakuu has a chance
[Isamil]: hello
[Isamil]: TheAdj`
[TheAdj`]: ?
[TheAdj`]: im the middel of my ansl match
[Isamil]: <Isamil> do I get to find out the reason?
[Isamil]: <im_lost> i'm the seer
[Isamil]: <im_lost> so i know who most of the humans are
[Isamil]: <im_lost> eternaly_lost was a wolf
[Isamil]: <Isamil> I'd buy it
[Isamil]: <im_lost> i don't know any of the other wolves for sure
[Isamil]: <im_lost> but i'm guessing that both petco and theadj are wolves also
This was right before Isamil got lynched. im_lost actually told him that he's the seer, quite a bold move really. Shortly after in the same conversation:
[TheAdj`]: either way we need to take him out
[TheAdj`]: and today
[TheAdj`]: ok times about to end
[Isamil]: 3min
[TheAdj`]: BAM im_lost down
[Isamil]: <Isamil> I really don't buy your story
[Isamil]: <im_lost> actually, unfortunately for you
[Isamil]: <im_lost> the artifact that i have will kill you instead of me
[TheAdj`]: We'll see
[TheAdj`]: I know he has the artifact
[Isamil]: so do I
[TheAdj`]: he won't survive tonight
[Isamil]: <Comprox> sigh
[Isamil]: <Comprox> you should of listened
Of course at this point Isamil is now dead. Shortly after, Comprox is taken out as well. Now im_lost who has been guarded for the past umpteen nights is no longer safe. The game at this point is just like any other TWG.
Now I'm being somewhat biased here but I'm rooting for the wolves this game, and what I do like about Isamil getting voted out was the creativity it inspired on the remaining wolves part. TheAdj told me he was going to do a fake seer gambit with Petco, and the next day I get messaged on IRC by poor Theslan who's caught up in the middle of it. Unfortunatly my IRC doesn't save logs but I recall him saying something to me along the lines of:
Theslan: Before I went to sleep I was 100% TheAdj was human, now I'm not so sure anymore.
Here's where the two sides have come in. Theslan had to decide which side to take, so as the day went on and the voting took place he abstained from voting and took a phantom to save himself from being wolfed tonight. im_lost at this point also sent me some logs so I know what's been going on with Theslan since I last spoke to him.
11:17 AM im_lost: so, you said you don't suspect grayduck of being a wolf
11:17 AM im_lost: how much do you trust theadj to claim that she is a wolf?
11:17 AM im_lost: how much do you trust me?
11:17 AM Theslan: I don't trust you at all.
11:17 AM Theslan: put it simply.
11:18 AM Theslan: I just trust TheAdj less now.
11:18 AM Theslan: The only reason why I would ever consider this is Comprox's death.
11:18 AM Theslan: I'll even accept TheAdj's idea of you killing your fellow wolf to gain human network credibility.
The fake seer gambit ploy was very nice, unfortunatly there were some contradictions to it as Theslan pointed out and can probably speak about better than me. But the one thing that DOES stand out is that the wolves killed Comprox. Since Comprox and im_lost were obviously allies this game, that wolfing really screwed over their ploy. Other than that it was very nice. As Theslan and im_lost later discussed:
11:44 AM Theslan: I believe there are 2 wolves left.
11:44 AM Theslan: The 4 wolves in my opinion are: Eternally_lost, TheAdj, Petco, and Isamil... assuming you are who you are. But really, I think you are.
11:45 AM im_lost: if that's the case, the wolves know i'm the seer
11:45 AM Theslan: I think they do.
11:45 AM Theslan: That's another reason why I'm wary.
11:45 AM im_lost: i told isamil i was the seer right before he put his vote on me
The trust grows, and not before long:
1:08 PM Theslan: I'll take a phantom. I don't want to openly tell TheAdj that I am well... against him now.
1:09 PM Theslan: With only 4 votes for Grayduck, TheAdj should not be able to survive.
1:09 PM Theslan: er, 3 votes for Grayduck.
1:10 PM im_lost: that works
1:10 PM Theslan: I'm going to be so annoyed at the end if TheAdj turns out to be correct.
I haven't got the wolf kill yet but I'm interested in seeing who it is. Currently I don't see how Petco isn't going to get lynched tomorrow and how the game wouldn't end, but crazier things have happened. This is after all - The Werewolf Game.
1. Awards
2. Roles and Stuff
3. Game Tracking
4. TWG XI Host Sign-Ups!
5. Individual Clues
6. Game Log and Group Clues
<b><u><!--sizeo:6--><span style="font-size:24pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo-->1. Awards</b></u><!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec-->
MVP goes to both im_lost and TheAdj!
im_lost who has played in many TWG games before pulled out all the stops this time around. Not only did he quickly manage to form an alliance with the Guardian, but was also able to find the Artifact by Night Three! He also told the wolves that he was the Seer and <i>still</i> managed to survive the game!
TheAdj a new player to TWG and a wolf did some really tricky things that are major wolf accomplishments. If the wolves had managed to take out im_lost on night two this game would have gone VERY differently. Not only was TheAdj able to sway Theslan and build up a strong network for the wolves throughout the game, but he and Petco set up a fake seer gambit after Isamil died which almost worked. Very tricky, and very well played!
Eternaly_lost also gets an honourable mention! By night two he <i>already held <u>five</u> of the individual clues.</i>
<b><u><!--sizeo:6--><span style="font-size:24pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo-->2. Roles and Stuff</b></u><!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec-->
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue"><!--/coloro-->1. im_lost (Survived!)<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:red--><span style="color:red"><!--/coloro-->2. Eternaly_Lost (Wolf and Investigator – Lynched Day Four)<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue"><!--/coloro-->3. Nightstalker (Psychic – Wolfed Night Four)<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:blue--><span style="color:blue"><!--/coloro-->4. Comprox (Guardian – Wolfed Night Six)<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green"><!--/coloro-->5. Xentor (Survived!)<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green"><!--/coloro-->6. screaming_tree4 (Lynched Day Two)<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green"><!--/coloro-->7. Demiguise (Lynched Day Three)<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:red--><span style="color:red"><!--/coloro-->8. Petco (Wolf – Lynched Day Seven)<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green"><!--/coloro-->9. EMP_Demon (Wolfed Night Seven)<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green"><!--/coloro-->10. doomchica (Wolfed Night Five)<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:red--><span style="color:red"><!--/coloro-->11. TheAdj (Wolf – Lynched Day Six)<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green"><!--/coloro-->12. Omegaman (Lynched Day One)<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green"><!--/coloro-->13. Chakuu (Survived!)<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green"><!--/coloro-->14. Theslan (Survived!)<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:red--><span style="color:red"><!--/coloro-->15. Isamil (Wolf - Killed by Artifact Day Five)<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green"><!--/coloro-->16. GrayDuck (Survived!)<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:green--><span style="color:green"><!--/coloro-->17. Mantrid (Wolfed Night Two)<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
<b><u><!--sizeo:6--><span style="font-size:24pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo-->3. Game Tracking</b></u><!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec-->
NIGHT ONE:
im_lost seers doomchica
Clue 1: Xentor
Clue 2: Chakuu
Clue 3: Isamil
Clue 4: im_lost
Clue 5: Petco
Clue 6: TheAdj
NIGHT TWO:
im_lost seers Comprox
Comprox guards im_lost
Wolves kill Mantrid
Clue 1: doomchica
Clue 2: Theslan
Clue 3: Chakuu
Clue 4: Eternaly_Lost
Clue 5: Nightstalker
Clue 6: EMP_Demon
NIGHT THREE:
im_lost seers Xentor
Comprox guards im_lost
Wolves kill im_lost
Clue 1: EMP_Demon
Clue 2: TheAdj
Clue 3: Theslan
Clue 4: GrayDuck
Clue 5: Isamil
Clue 6:
NIGHT FOUR:
im_lost seers Eternaly_Lost
Comprox guards im_lost
Wolves kill Nightstalker
NIGHT FIVE:
im_lost seers EMP_Demon
Comprox guards im_lost
Wolves kill doomchica
NIGHT SIX:
im_lost seers TheAdj
Comprox guards im_lost
Wolves kill Comprox
NIGHT SEVEN:
im_lost seers Petco
wolves kill EMP_Demon
<b><u><!--sizeo:6--><span style="font-size:24pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo-->4. TWG XI Host Sign-Ups!</b></u><!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec-->
If you would like to host TWG XI please send your description to me at freak83 AT gmail DOT com
Because of the recent forum inactivity I also have a suggestion for anyone who wishes to host. One idea that popped into my head is to include in your game a player who would be an active spectator. This player could sign up for the role prior to the game but would not be a human, or a wolf. He would not vote and could not be killed. Because of this he would simply be able to comment on the game and hopefully stir up some forum activity. This is simply a suggestion, so please feel free to include or not include it when you apply to host.
Also, from this point I will not be running the host-elections each game. It will be an additional responsibility of the game host to run the next host sign-ups and elections. Because I hosted TWG X I will be running the sign-ups and elections for TWG XI. However the host of TWG XI will run it for TWG XII, and so forth.
<b><u><!--sizeo:6--><span style="font-size:24pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo-->5. Individual Clues</b></u><!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec-->
In this game the Artifact played a large role, perhaps too large of a role or maybe it was just enough? Either way, one of the ways you could get it was by finding the individual clues. Here’s where they were located:
<img src="http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y156/Freak83/TWG%20X/MapDefaultWithClues.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />
1. Only the fifth number is even
2. The lowest digit is "2"
3. The first number follows the fifth number
4. The first and second number when added will equal "10"
5. The sum of the second and third number is the same of that of the sum of the first and second number
6. The second number in the sequence is not the largest number in the sequence
Prior to the game, I numbered them in the way it was best to solve them. To run through it:
_ _ _ _ 2 – After reading the first two clues, this is what you should be able to figure out. The lowest number is 2 and only the last digit is even. Quite simply it’s the only place it can go.
3 _ _ _ 2 – After clue three, you should be able to figure out the first digit is three.
3 7 _ _ 2 – After clue four, you know the second number has to be ‘7’ since 3+7=10
3 7 3 _ 2 – After clue five, you know that the third number must also be ‘3’
3 7 3 9 2 – Clue five doesn’t tell you what the fourth number is but it eliminates all other possibilities. Since you know the second number isn’t the largest, the fourth number has to be either ‘8’ or ‘9’. If you re-read clue number one, only the fifth number is even. By process of elimination the only possible number it can be is ‘9’.
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This was the game log I kept. In it I also included my description of how to read the group clues.
NIGHT ONE (End)
So far the game has gotten off to a very interesting start. In my oppinion I think the wolves currently have a HUGE advantage. For one thing, Eternaly_Lost who is a wolf is also the investigator. He will always find a clue in a room he searches as long as that room contains a clue.
Secondly, tonight three of the four wolves managed to find an individual clue. They already have 50% of the individual clue puzzel on their side! Uh oh! I'm also wondering if anyone has spotted any of the group clues so far... I warned them that they would be very vague but how seriously did they take me? One of the group clues was in the pregame thread where I said they would have to thinK "Outside the box" to understand the group clues.... funny thing was that was one of the clues right there. TWG X IS in fact the box, and if they only use the group clues within the game they're not gonna get anywhere. The second and third group clue were both given in the picture of the vault.
The second clue was that I showed them the combination was 5 characters long, and I used 5 zero's to show it. The third group clue was also in that picture, this one was the most obvious clue I gave and I hoped it wasn't too obvious but I guess not. Did they notice that the "design" on the vault are the roman numerals IV? If they inspected TWG IV: Freya they would notice that the game is 5 characters long... just like the vault code. Coincidence? I think not.
Finally the fourth group clue was in the Day One story. In the story im_lost talks about his past, and his past was taken straight out of the story for TWG II. Notice any similarities? This clue is of course biased towards players who actually took part in TWG II but I trust that im_lost will point this out. He already did say in the IRC channel:
<im_lost> tying this story with a previous one, that's interesting
Yes, the clue shows that I'm using stuff from other TWG games. How long will it take them to piece this puzzel together? I can't wait! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
DAY TWO (START)
A lot of activity has gone by since night one ended. Four pages for the first day, I'm very happy to see the amount of discussion going on and people seem to like the whole 'minigame' integrated into TWG. It adds stuff to talk about. Now... throughout day one people ended up talking a lot about the individual clues, it turns out that our investigator/wolf Eternaly_Lost who didn't actually find any clue night one is now in possession of five of them. His wolf comrades picked up one clue each so that gave him three right there, he was then able to smooth talk his way into getting a clue from im_lost and Nightslayer so he now has five clues. Oh yeah, he also learned that Nightstalker is the Psychic so the wolves have that information, they're doing REALLY well. The day ended and they bandwagoned Omegaman off for being inactive. One human down.
Nightime comes and im_lost seers Comprox, I'm pretty sure he learned that Comprox is the Guardian shortly after talking to him because soon enough I get a PM from Comprox telling me he wants to protect im_lost. The wolves are doing well but there now appears to be a seer and guardian alliance, quite a powerful combination. Demiguise and Mantrid both did not send me any map movements tonight, and the wolves for some weird unexplainable reason chose to kill Mantrid. I thought for sure Nightstalker was going to die but I guess they figured if he told someone else that Eternaly_Lost knew he was the Psychic he would be gone for sure.
In terms of group clues I gave one more out in the going into night and one more in the going into day story. Both were REALLY vague especially the latter. In the going into night story I posted this: "Please if you are able to figure out the combination send a text message to my personal cell phone number listed here on the screen. I wish all of you the best of luck, and happy hunting!"
See the thing I'm doing here is basically saying "if you figure out the combination" do this. I mean, I don't want to make anything too obvious here but when you see something stand out like this you know something has to be up. Take a look at your cell phone or any touchtone phone and you will see letters on each of the numbers. Now go look at TWG IV: Freya and spell out "Freya" on your phone. Know what you'll enter? 37392, that's the combination. Actually Petco was really close with his guess from the previous night. He guessed 37344, close one. The going into daytime story was even more vague with the clue. Basically in the story there three near death situations, and then the fourth person died. Yeah count 'em, four. Notice this common trend with that number?
People have also started talking more about the group clues so I've been a little lienient in the day phase so far and given some clarification on them. They now know a bit more and I restated the group clue from pregame about thinking outside the box. I know, I'm way too freaking nice.
im_lost also gave me a little bit of information at this point of what's been going on with him behind the scenes. Basically he and Comprox have been working together discussing possible codes and getting clues. It turns out that im_lost got the one from me, plus two from others, and Comprox got two from others as well. Doomchica also has one clue and im_lost intends to get it from her once she gets home. If he does have all the correct clues then indeed, im_lost or Comprox will most definatly have the combination tonight. I don't know what those wolves are up to yet but if they can get that last clue (or figure out my group one) they can get it too. Either way I think the artifact will be found tonight. On a completely unrelated side note, my World of Warcraft month just ended and I don't know if I'm going to get it again until spring. =(
im_lost messaged me earlier telling me that he thinks he knows what the combination is and he showed me his guess. Yep, looks like he's got it but have the wolves got it too? Anyway, it's the first to PM it to me at night that counts. I wonder who will get it first.
NIGHT SEVEN (START)
It's been a long while since I made any logs but there's been quite a few things happening and I need to put my thoughts together. First of all, since I last wrote, the psychic died, so did the guardian and three wolves. Right now there are two sides, on one we have the human network of im_lost, Comprox (dead), EMP_Demon, and I believe Xentor. On the other side is Petco and TheAdj (dead), and in the middle we have Theslan and Chakuu who haven't really taken any side, or at least are having trouble doing so.
Right after the Artifact killed Isamil I got a PM from TheAdj who was obviously quite mad. The wolves were doing quite well, and without this death the probability for a wolf win was much higher. TheAdj was the first player to send me detailed game logs with some of his conversations with Isamil, Comprox, and Theslan. A quote from TheAdj's log with Isamil:
[Isamil]: in the event that im_lost is lynched(which is looking pretty good right now), make sure you move and search bedrooms
[TheAdj`]: im *in* bedrooms
[Isamil]: ah, had the wrong map
[TheAdj`]: i moved here anticipating killing him today
[TheAdj`]: theslan is here as well
[Isamil]: chakuu can move and search there
[TheAdj`]: if it drops theslan or myself will get it
[Isamil]: chakuu has a chance
[Isamil]: hello
[Isamil]: TheAdj`
[TheAdj`]: ?
[TheAdj`]: im the middel of my ansl match
[Isamil]: <Isamil> do I get to find out the reason?
[Isamil]: <im_lost> i'm the seer
[Isamil]: <im_lost> so i know who most of the humans are
[Isamil]: <im_lost> eternaly_lost was a wolf
[Isamil]: <Isamil> I'd buy it
[Isamil]: <im_lost> i don't know any of the other wolves for sure
[Isamil]: <im_lost> but i'm guessing that both petco and theadj are wolves also
This was right before Isamil got lynched. im_lost actually told him that he's the seer, quite a bold move really. Shortly after in the same conversation:
[TheAdj`]: either way we need to take him out
[TheAdj`]: and today
[TheAdj`]: ok times about to end
[Isamil]: 3min
[TheAdj`]: BAM im_lost down
[Isamil]: <Isamil> I really don't buy your story
[Isamil]: <im_lost> actually, unfortunately for you
[Isamil]: <im_lost> the artifact that i have will kill you instead of me
[TheAdj`]: We'll see
[TheAdj`]: I know he has the artifact
[Isamil]: so do I
[TheAdj`]: he won't survive tonight
[Isamil]: <Comprox> sigh
[Isamil]: <Comprox> you should of listened
Of course at this point Isamil is now dead. Shortly after, Comprox is taken out as well. Now im_lost who has been guarded for the past umpteen nights is no longer safe. The game at this point is just like any other TWG.
Now I'm being somewhat biased here but I'm rooting for the wolves this game, and what I do like about Isamil getting voted out was the creativity it inspired on the remaining wolves part. TheAdj told me he was going to do a fake seer gambit with Petco, and the next day I get messaged on IRC by poor Theslan who's caught up in the middle of it. Unfortunatly my IRC doesn't save logs but I recall him saying something to me along the lines of:
Theslan: Before I went to sleep I was 100% TheAdj was human, now I'm not so sure anymore.
Here's where the two sides have come in. Theslan had to decide which side to take, so as the day went on and the voting took place he abstained from voting and took a phantom to save himself from being wolfed tonight. im_lost at this point also sent me some logs so I know what's been going on with Theslan since I last spoke to him.
11:17 AM im_lost: so, you said you don't suspect grayduck of being a wolf
11:17 AM im_lost: how much do you trust theadj to claim that she is a wolf?
11:17 AM im_lost: how much do you trust me?
11:17 AM Theslan: I don't trust you at all.
11:17 AM Theslan: put it simply.
11:18 AM Theslan: I just trust TheAdj less now.
11:18 AM Theslan: The only reason why I would ever consider this is Comprox's death.
11:18 AM Theslan: I'll even accept TheAdj's idea of you killing your fellow wolf to gain human network credibility.
The fake seer gambit ploy was very nice, unfortunatly there were some contradictions to it as Theslan pointed out and can probably speak about better than me. But the one thing that DOES stand out is that the wolves killed Comprox. Since Comprox and im_lost were obviously allies this game, that wolfing really screwed over their ploy. Other than that it was very nice. As Theslan and im_lost later discussed:
11:44 AM Theslan: I believe there are 2 wolves left.
11:44 AM Theslan: The 4 wolves in my opinion are: Eternally_lost, TheAdj, Petco, and Isamil... assuming you are who you are. But really, I think you are.
11:45 AM im_lost: if that's the case, the wolves know i'm the seer
11:45 AM Theslan: I think they do.
11:45 AM Theslan: That's another reason why I'm wary.
11:45 AM im_lost: i told isamil i was the seer right before he put his vote on me
The trust grows, and not before long:
1:08 PM Theslan: I'll take a phantom. I don't want to openly tell TheAdj that I am well... against him now.
1:09 PM Theslan: With only 4 votes for Grayduck, TheAdj should not be able to survive.
1:09 PM Theslan: er, 3 votes for Grayduck.
1:10 PM im_lost: that works
1:10 PM Theslan: I'm going to be so annoyed at the end if TheAdj turns out to be correct.
I haven't got the wolf kill yet but I'm interested in seeing who it is. Currently I don't see how Petco isn't going to get lynched tomorrow and how the game wouldn't end, but crazier things have happened. This is after all - The Werewolf Game.
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Secondly, I thought about killing Comprox first instead of Im_lost on the day we tried to kill Im lost. I just got online just before the day ended for the wolves to kill, and Isamil already decided to try to kill Im_lost. I had things to do during the time, and couldn't get on for the discussion on who to attack during the night.
The reason why I had a feeling we should have killed Comprox was something he said(forgot exactly, but it wasn't much) and the fact that we <i>knew</i> the guardian was protecting Im lost, so we would have much a better chance to kill someone else.
Probably because we haven't talked much before at the night, Isamil tried to kill Im lost.
This led to a huge advantage for the humans at that time, not only did Im lost seer Comprox for a human/Comprox successfully save Im lost<i>(No kill for us, and that means both can trust each other)</i>, but he managed to get the artifact before us.
We figured the code a little too late(I sent it just an hour before that night ended), as it ends up that someone else got to it first, and we suspected Im lost.
Also, human special roles usually were quiet in the past games, so we decided to kill the quiet/inactive people first. We thought they may be sneaky and pretend to be inactive or so, so that's why we killed Mantrid and the other inactive people.
Turns out, the two important roles were the ones who posted/talked the most.
Lastly, I predicted what the Artifact would do a little too late too. My ideas were: 1. Invulnerability to lynching 2. Votes secretly count as double or more 3. Dying from lynching also kills the last voter.
Though I wasn't sure, and these ideas came up when the artifact was first mentioned. By the time we got into the middle of the game, I forgot about the possibilities for the artifact, and Isamil ended up getting killed because of the artifact.
Main Hall: The first and second digit add up to ten (10)
Bedrooms: "The first number follows the fifth number" (I exchanged clues with Isamil)
East Corridor: "second number is not the largest" (Comprox got this from TheAdj without giving anything)
Kitchen: "The sum of the second and third number is the same of that of the sum of the first and second number" (Comprox got from Nightstalker without giving anything)
North Corridor: "The lowest digit is "2"" (I exchanged with Chakuu for this; he made me promise not to tell anyone)
Pool & Gym: "only the fifth number is even" (doomchica)
The reason I grabbed the artifact instead of Comprox or doomchica (not knowing what it did) is because I was the only one at my computer at the end of the day. We thought it might be bad putting so much with a single player (seer power plus the artifact), but after I got it it was obvious that I was the right person in the network to get it. I got it about 10 seconds after the day started, possibly faster (reloading the game thread in one tab, another tab waiting to submit the code).
GrayDuck, I still don't understand why you trusted me, but it ended up being really convenient.
My conversation with Isamil made things really interesting. I could have just gotten Petco or TheAdj killed, and then the artifact would have still been safe. However, I would have completely overlooked Isamil as a possible wolf if things had gone like that. The thing that really gave it away to me was
"Isamil: I feel like I have less information this game than I normally do"
during our chat. It took about 40 hours, but I suddenly realized how similar this was to Swiftspear in TWG IV. I actually reread that game thread shortly before this game began, so it was fresh in my mind.
Petco, defending Eternaly_Lost was the downfall of the werewolves. It put me on the right track.
That's all I've got for now.
To start it off, I contacted TheAdj on Day 2. I suspect nothing on it at all, and we were going to ploy some friction in game, for everyone was being too easily cooperative in obtaining the clues. I suggested that we made The Den to have a clue, where it did not have a clue. By Day 2, only TheAdj and I have been in that room. I told TheAdj to claim there was a clue, and claim me to be a wolf, so that I would take the bullet and get lynch, but it might provide more clues of who the wolves were when people start taking sides. This eventually did not happen, because TheAdj already confirm with Comprox that there was no clue, but it left an impression with me that TheAdj was human, for he was willing to take the risk for biting the bullet and dying if the plan backfired (someone else checked the room and finds no clue). No wolf would go with this plan.... so I thought.
By Day 5, I was suspect im_lost or Comprox was a wolf. I talked to TheAdj about it, and both of us agree that im_lost completely changed his behavior from the beginning of the game. He got rid of Eternally_lost and now he was getting rid of Petco. TheAdj claims that im_lost might be a wolf. At this point, I agree that im_lost and Comprox either could be wolves, or one wolf was leading the human. I did not think they were both humans. Some logs:
<TheAdj`> its entirely possible either, neither, or both are wolves
<Theslan> I doubt neither at this point.
<TheAdj`> I have no way of knowing because I cant seem to find one of the special characters
<TheAdj`> as do I, I suspect either or both
<Theslan> it could be possible that im_lost staged this.
<TheAdj`> I just don't like how 10 minutes after freak posts the story, he already has his vote lined up
<TheAdj`> with a story to back it up
<TheAdj`> that seems a bit incredulous to me
<Theslan> I've seen interesting plans before (as host, and as wolves) where they cut one member to be trustworthy.
With Isamil as back, which I learned previously from Day 2/3/4, we had a solid group ready to take out im_lost. Then the artifact came into play and took out Isamil. At this point, I was very worried that the wolves won this one.
When Day 6 arrives, TheAdj pulls out this story that Petco was the seer, and he was trying to protect him, with Isamil as the buffer from being killed from the artifact. (Just as a side note, both TheAdj and I thought im_lost did have the artifact from Day 5). That was the first red flag for me, since they said they seered me on Night 4, but didn't tell me until today.
<TheAdj`> be glad you haven't acted on that
<TheAdj`> petco's the seer, im_lost is definitely a wolf
<TheAdj`> petco seered me like night 3, we've been working together ever since
<TheAdj`> he seer'd you night 4
<Theslan> ... why hasn't he ever contacted me.
<TheAdj`> ive been talking to you instead
However, I dismiss it again because it seems too obvious a tactic for a wolf to do this.
<Theslan> You know what? Even if you guys are wolves... I have to trust you guys.
<Theslan> At this point, I can't afford not to.
<TheAdj`> why would you say that?
<Theslan> If there are 3 wolves left.
...
<Theslan> huh?
<TheAdj`> im just saying that if you thought we were wolves, you'd be voting with im_lost instead of us
<Theslan> That's because a) You haven't done anything to make me suspect you are a wolf.
<TheAdj`> aye
<Theslan> b) This bold move now claiming you are part of the seer network makes me wary, but it's too bold for a wolf.
From there, TheAdj formed the plan of what to do next: kill GrayDuck (who was confirmed as a wolf), and I was to convinced one of the other players.
<TheAdj`> we need xentor or emp_demon
<TheAdj`> chakuu also doesnt know who the seer is
<TheAdj`> I've just spoken with him a time or two
<Theslan> Do you want to take grayduck, or im_lost
<TheAdj`> I'd like to get grayduck first
<TheAdj`> our last attempt at im_lost didnt go so well
<Theslan> it will probably convince EMP a bit better.
With another solid backing of chakuu, Petco, TheAdj, myself, and another player, we can get rid of another so-called wolf.
I've talked to EMP Demon previously to try to get him to take his vote off TheAdj (on Day 5). I tried to convince him to vote for GrayDuck, but no avail. I was pretty sure he was human based on our conversation and he seems to be not part of any group. I went to sleep on Monday (29th) going to talk to Xentor.
When I woke up, Comprox's death was something that bothered me. It bothered me a lot. It finally clicked in my head that if im_lost was a wolf, and he managed to kill Eternally_lost as a stage to gain trustworthiness, why would he go ahead and kill his yes man? Yes, I call Comprox im_lost's yes man, for he voted with im_lost after the artifact was found. I started to question people. I question EMP about it, talking about 2 groups, and didn't learn anything. I question Xentor about this, and I found something interesting:
<Theslan> See... why?
<Xentor> Ok, I'll say this much. I was told by what I believed to be a genuine seer that TheAdj was scanned as a wolf.
<Xentor> Bloody hell... I feel like a lawyer
<Theslan> lol
<Theslan> That's what I need to know.
<Theslan> I felt there was a fake seer ploy going on.
<Theslan> Joy.
<Theslan> Now I need to know which side to believe... which is back to square 1.
<Xentor> As far as I know, you haven't been seered... But then, like I said, I'm a bit out of touch
TheAdj claimed earlier about the Petco being a seer that Xentor and EMP Demon were not scanned. Thus, I knew there were 2 seers at this point, and Petco is looking like a fake seer. Finally, I went to talk to im_lost about the whole thing, to gain his perspective. TheAdj did a good job earlier on this, because I avoided talking to im_lost in fear of dying from a wolf. Some parts of the conversation:
<im_lost> i guess my best evidence is that there are people that are associated with me through decisive votes that have died at night
<Theslan> Your best evidence right now for me is comprox's death.
<Theslan> Without comprox's death, we will not have this conversation.
<Theslan> So if you ARE really a wolf...
<Theslan> hats off to you on a really risky manuver.
...
<Theslan> Hmmm.
<im_lost> so, you said you don't suspect grayduck of being a wolf
<im_lost> how much do you trust theadj to claim that she is a wolf?
<im_lost> how much do you trust me?
<Theslan> I don't trust you at all.
<Theslan> put it simply.
<Theslan> I just trust TheAdj less now.
<Theslan> The only reason why I would ever consider this is Comprox's death.
<Theslan> I'll even accept TheAdj's idea of you killing your fellow wolf to gain human network credibility.
<Theslan> Really, I'll give you hats off if you are wolf.
... In the end, I decided that for im_lost being a wolf to kill Comprox was too risky for him to lose the majority vote. Furthermore, im_lost revealed himself to be the seer in the conversation, and I guessed that Comprox was the guardian for the wolves NOT to avoid killing him. At the end of Day 6, I found out the seer's network (EMP Demon, Xentor, im_lost) and the wolves (Petco, TheAdj, and possibly Chakuu).
Hats off to TheAdj. He did it well, very well. If it weren't for Comprox's death, I would not have doubted TheAdj was a human. He gave me too much information with the whole seer gambit for it to be fake. I knew most of the wolves' plan from Day 5 (including Isamil voting at the last second to get rid of im_lost). When I found out that TheAdj was less than human, I then knew who the 4 wolves were.
im_lost finding me got me very paranoid at first, but I took a leap of faith and it paid out in dividends. I kept telling im_lost how paranoid I was, just in case so I wouldn't look like an idiot at the end of the game.
im_lost getting the artifact (I was at an Oilers game) was wonderful. It worked perfectly with me guarding him at night. We got kinda cocky at this point since we had found 2 wolves (eternally and adj) and were just steam rolling. By this point I was almost certain Petco was a wolf too due to his defence of Eternally Lost.
The night where Isamil died makes me smile. I had talked with im_lost and we were wondering if we should sway the vote to kill petco or TheAdj (we could, we had a big enough human network by then) but decided we would rather let Petco die by artifact. im_lost told his seer story to isamil in the hopes of making the vote 50/50 to at least kill petco by vote, or the artifact without revealing too many humans. We thought if Isamil didn't believe it, he would vote for a 3rd party (someone with few votes) as im_lost was already leading the vote count so another one against him would not matter. Woops Isamil voted for im_lost. But, he was a wolf (and my suspected 4th one). 2 wolves down. 2 known wolves left.
At that point, I knew I was a dead man. I was frankly shocked when I didn't get killed that night after Eternally Lost had died but lived for a little more. The wolves knew I was with im_lost closely and left me alive for another day. (heck, I think they had a good idea I was the Guardian). Was just sad I, again, died in the game of TWG. Always do!
Poor Comprox... you really need to survive a game lol
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Im lost is recorded to be in every game except two, a game he hosted and simply a game he was not in. In the games he had been in, only TWG V he had not died.
So I did not kill him, since it wouldn't matter anyway who I kill; he has died a lot, seems like everyone likes killing him.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->[16:18] <TheAdj`> We should tagteam im_lost
[16:19] <Comprox> why?
[16:19] <TheAdj`> You don't find it odd that he talks the most and does the most accusing?
[16:20] <Comprox> Ive learned talking alot in this game means little. Accusing on the other does raise me suspicions a bit, yes
[16:20] <TheAdj`> a lot of accusing, then he baits im_lost into giving him a good IRC log to post?
[16:20] <TheAdj`> He's intentionally knocking people out of the game
[16:21] <TheAdj`> wish I knew who the seer was so we could link up
[16:22] <Comprox> to be honest, eternaly lost really irked me from day 1 in PM, he really said dumb stuff in PM to me too <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
[16:22] <TheAdj`> I told people that asked me about him
[16:22] <TheAdj`> he's dumb as a brick
[16:23] <Comprox> lol
[16:23] <TheAdj`> I know him from another community, he's the community retard
[16:23] <Comprox> ouch
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<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->[23:50] <TheAdj`> you should swap your vote off of petco onto im_lost
[23:51] <TheAdj`> he's the first post and he goes right after someone, this dude is trying to deflect attention off of himself so badly
Session Time: Fri Jan 26 00:00:00 2007
[00:01] <Comprox> its not even his vote
[00:01] <Comprox> it's Petco's responding to such a retarded vote from Eternaly
[00:01] <TheAdj`> read what petco said
[00:02] <Comprox> I did
[00:02] <TheAdj`> hes dumb for trying to attempt any defense of someone who's very likely a wolf
[00:02] <TheAdj`> but I can understand how he's trying to clarify what he might have meant
[00:02] <Comprox> Again, my post was to defend/clarify what Eternally_Lost meant. Also, this is a game, teammates do not mean friends, especially if they are trying to kill you.
[00:02] <Comprox> blah blah, you DONT vote to HELP THE OTHER TEAM
[00:03] <TheAdj`> although I think eternaly was just trying to make a deceptive statement and did it really stupidly
[00:03] <TheAdj`> just like all his other attempts at communication
[00:03] <TheAdj`> either way, 2 days in a row now im_lost comes out the gate within 10 minutes of freak posting the story and accuses someone
[00:03] <Comprox> petco keeps saying what eternally said was "not as dumb as we thought". Well, it *is* as dumb as I think <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
[00:04] <TheAdj`> yea it was pretty damn stupid
[00:04] <Comprox> and continuously trying to prove me wrong, just sends off warning bells all over for me
[00:05] <TheAdj`> he might be a wolf as well TBH
[00:06] <TheAdj`> although im_lost concerns me far more than petco
[00:06] <TheAdj`> since petco isnt leading the charge to knock people off every day
[00:06] <Comprox> again, leading the charge in all the games has meant nothing
[00:07] <Comprox> it could be a wolf. It could be the seer with info. It could be another human the seer found and is using them to vote. It could be a human who has done alot of talking and has suspicions
[00:08] <TheAdj`> if theres a seer/guardian combo going on, that's the only thing that i could believe besides a wolf
[00:08] <TheAdj`> no regular human will be that loud, he'd be dead already
[00:09] <TheAdj`> notice how a couple nights back there was a guardian save? I bet it was on im_lost, he's a pretty good target (like you)
[00:09] <Comprox> could of been, yah
[00:09] <Comprox> he is one of the more experienced players
[00:09] <TheAdj`> I'd take a save on an experienced player compared to just a random chance save
[00:10] <Comprox> most people would, lol
[00:10] <TheAdj`> you and im_lost are like prime targets, and for him to talk this much and not die, he's either a wolf or a linked up human
[00:11] <TheAdj`> given that no one seems to be vouching for him, I think it's more likely he's a wolf
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I felt kind of bad because Chakuu kept trying to PM me but I was never at my computer and he was off line when I got back... same with Theslane.
Anyway, I had it easy this game... I got contacted pretty early by im_lost, who claimed in one message to be the seer, have the guardian with him, and hold the artifact. The claim was pretty extraordinary, but I decided to risk taking it as an all-or-none thing... As in, I tested him on one aspect, and assumed he was being generally honest.
I only had two of the clues (Thanks to Eternally_Lost for the second, ironically), so I asked him for the code he used, and verified it against what I knew so far. After that point, my confidence in him only grew. Eternally_Lost again verified him when he practically admitted being a wolf, after lost had tipped me off about him. Once the wolves failed on a nightly kill, I was almost 100% sure of lost.
I mean, either lost was telling the truth about being the seer, or the wolves had pocketed the guardian (To the point of trusting that he'd guard the right person) and sacrificed one of their own (Eternally_Lost) to prove wolf-spotting ability.
From that point on, it was mainly just a matter of voting alongside lost, without making it obvious that he was the seer.
I wasn't that involved until the end, when Theslan contacted me, trying to figure out who was who. I wasn't sure of him, but my gut told me he was human (Just as it told me TheAdj was a wolf, a day before lost scanned him). Instincts work wonders in this game. Anyway, I risked telling Theslan that I was in touch with the seer, and even if I didn't completely convince him, I think I managed to distance him from what turned out to be a fake seer.
So, yay for me, surviving my first TWG! After four or five games, I finally get a signature banner!
EDIT: Wow, this board censors that one? You killed Kenny, you ********!
GrayDuck, I was eventually there, but I would not probably talk to you because of TheAdj accusing you as a wolf. I originally wanted to talk to just EMP Demon and Xentor because I felt they were on the side-line, and were not connected (turns out I was wrong). I only talked to im_lost because when Xentor confirmed to me there were 2 seers going on, I felt more certain that I needed im_lost's input, regardless whether I was going to die that night.
I took a gamble on Im_Lost... judging from the story (first post - not sure if that really affects who / what we are) and from his prior role as the moderator of the game I didn't think he'd be a wolf.....
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It worked out in this case, but those aren't reliable things to use. The roles are assigned randomly (at least in theory, I'm not sure what Freak83 does without random.org), so past events don't affect current roles. The story shouldn't say anything about the roles in the game either; it's based on what is most convenient or entertaining to write, it might have elements of blatantly obvious stuff from what people said in the thread (a person making a tie-breaking vote might be the person to actually do the killing in the story, etc.), but it won't have anything to indicate what roles people have.
Eternaly_lost also gets an honourable mention! By night two he <i>already held <u>five</u> of the individual clues.</i>
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I had fun.
I had though of the telephone one night, when I was at the help desk getting my laptop fixed. Cygwin was broken. I tryed FREAK, but it did not work, so I gave up on that. I think that was the night before the artifact was claimed.
I told Nightstalker to tell no one he was the Psychic. That work out nice.
I think that the Guardian role needs revision, after we tried to wolf, im_lost and failed, we wanted to do it the next night, but we could not. As we figure that the Guardian was just spamming guard im_lost. Like he was, EVERY SINGLE NIGHT. I mean, It nice to be able to guard anyone, but it was too hard on the wolf to kill the one they wanted to. It should be more based on random guarding, or at least limit it to one guard per player.
I talked a lot, as that is how I am. It worked nice, until im_lost seered me. Then it was in for me.
The Investigator role was pointless. I got 5 clues with out it. I think it needs something more, as I did not use it in the least.
I would definably like to play in the next game, or maybe host it, me and nightstalker have an interesting idea, story wise, not game play.
You could make it so that the guardian can only protect someone once. We did that in one of the games, but we didn't really see how well it worked because there was also a wizard (me) that added other strangeness to the guardian.
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I like that idea.
How does one apply to become a Host?
Well, I goofed the first day... Eternal, excellent job in figureing out i was the Psychic...what threw me is when you said you were the Investigator, I assumed you were human. Darn me. Anyways I really didn't interact with anyone much, since my objective was to remain low-key enought that I'd slip through the cracks and manage to worm my way into the wolves, which i managed to, just the wrong way! Oh well.... just curious, whyd y wait so long to wolf me, if you knew from day one that I was the psychic? I had a lot of fun, and I'll defienetly be signing up for the next one!!!
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We waited on you because, we wanted to try to get the seer. The seer is much bigger target near the start, and we had several people who where seer like. We only wolfed you after we realized that im_lost was imposable to take.
As for the order of wolfing, we had hoped that random looking wolfing would cause the guarden to guard someone beside im_lost. Something that he never did.
I suppose it was overpowered in that it allowed me to be much more aggressive, but things would not have gone as you described if I didn't have it. It wasn't just the artifact though, it was the luck of the seer finding the guardian (not very likely, necessary to not get killed at night from being overly aggressive), getting his trust, and getting the artifact all at once (it almost went to Comprox or doomchica simply because it seemed too risky for me to have too much), which can't be predicted ahead of time.