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douchebagatrondouchebagatron Custom member title Join Date: 2003-12-20 Member: 24581Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
edited January 2007 in Off-Topic
<div class="IPBDescription">how is it</div>well pretty soon my university is going to start offering vista to students for free, and im wanting to know how it is. does it run well without using up a lot of power? will it break all my games, or will i have to run them through emulators or something? does firefox work with it? anything else i should know about it?

game-wise i mostly just play empire earth 2, steam games, and battlefield 2. maybe some starcraft now and then.
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  • FaskaliaFaskalia Wechsellichtzeichenanlage Join Date: 2004-09-12 Member: 31651Members, Constellation
    SOME recent games wont run at all under vista (gothic3 for example).
    A lot games run better under vista than they did under xp. (but the difference from 120 to 130 fps is not so much noticable, when you play at 75 hz)

    Performance wise, you should have 1gig of ram under your belly, though the beta ran well with an outdated 1.2 ghz laptop with only 768mb ram.

    You will most likely run into hardware trouble, with devices, that do not offer a dedicated vista driver yet. But this should flatten out whiten 6 months.

    The graphical gimmicks are nice, but not really needed. In fact, i turned everything off, that could be turned off. (You could make XP look like 98, but sadly enough this doesnt seem to work with vista that well <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />)

    So me personal advice would be:

    If it is free, than take it.

    If you have to pay for it, wait 6-12 months.

    If you want to buy a new pc anyway, get vista along the way.
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  • douchebagatrondouchebagatron Custom member title Join Date: 2003-12-20 Member: 24581Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    i heard somewhere that vista will only support dx9 and dx10 games, is that true? and does that mean that older games like halflife and starcraft wont work at all?
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  • FaskaliaFaskalia Wechsellichtzeichenanlage Join Date: 2004-09-12 Member: 31651Members, Constellation
    Well,
    Warcraft2 works <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />

    Imho: There are more 64bit vs 32bit issues, than xp vs vista issues.

    You can run games in an "emulated" xp environment, but up to now there was no need for me to do so:)
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  • TheGuyTheGuy Join Date: 2003-08-09 Member: 19295Members, Constellation
    Well there's no OpenGL. Unless you want to play half-life in DirectX you might want to steer clear for now.
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  • douchebagatrondouchebagatron Custom member title Join Date: 2003-12-20 Member: 24581Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    is there a problem with playing halflife on direct x?
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  • Femme_FataleFemme_Fatale Join Date: 2005-06-21 Member: 54310Members, Constellation
    edited January 2007
    erm
    NS only works under openGL?
    or am i missing something?
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  • ThaldarinThaldarin Alonzi&#33; Join Date: 2003-07-15 Member: 18173Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1603124:date=Jan 31 2007, 07:30 PM:name=TheGuy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TheGuy @ Jan 31 2007, 07:30 PM) [snapback]1603124[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Well there's no OpenGL. Unless you want to play half-life in DirectX you might want to steer clear for now.
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    What? Why?

    KFDM gief linux now.
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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    No OpenGL? What? That seems unlikely, and by unlikely I meant impossible.

    My friend got Vista Ultimate for $45 bucks since his mom works at Microsoft; that's what my plan is once I get my new computer. Until them I'm sticking with XP.
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  • ComproxComprox *chortle* Canada Join Date: 2002-01-23 Member: 7Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, NS2 Developer, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Silver, Subnautica Developer, Subnautica Playtester, Pistachionauts
    Well, here is a review of XP vs. Vista for gaming. <a href="http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=354&type=expert&pid=5" target="_blank">http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=354&a...xpert&pid=5</a>

    Seems Vista offers minimal improvement in a few cases and vast decreases in others leaving an overall decline in gaming performance. Need new drivers and updates before I consider it.
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  • SloppyKissesSloppyKisses omgawd a furreh&#33; Virginia Join Date: 2003-07-05 Member: 17942Members, Constellation
    It was given as a gift and i quickly did a reinstall of windows xp after installing this crap. We all have our own opinions, but in mine its still buggy as crap and in my own personal opinion really wasn't ready for release, but again flame away at me. I'd rather go back to windows 95 than use vista.

    /meh
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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1603193:date=Jan 31 2007, 03:38 PM:name=Phur_Instinkt)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Phur_Instinkt @ Jan 31 2007, 03:38 PM) [snapback]1603193[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    It was given as a gift and i quickly did a reinstall of windows xp after installing this crap. We all have our own opinions, but in mine its still buggy as crap and in my own personal opinion really wasn't ready for release, but again flame away at me. I'd rather go back to windows 95 than use vista.

    /meh
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    I don't think anyone actually expects an entire OS to be bug free on launch day, especially Windows.
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  • SillyGooseSillyGoose Join Date: 2003-03-16 Member: 14572Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1603124:date=Jan 31 2007, 02:30 PM:name=TheGuy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TheGuy @ Jan 31 2007, 02:30 PM) [snapback]1603124[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Well there's no OpenGL. Unless you want to play half-life in DirectX you might want to steer clear for now.
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    Yeah, because Microsoft doesn't want anyone to play Quake Wars or any other Doom3 engine game on Vista.
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  • kiddokiddo Join Date: 2007-01-07 Member: 59503Members
    vista just came out. It will take some time to make it a standard on computer, while making sure your specs are high enough to use it. For example you need at least 1g or more to have vista while having 3.0ghz and higher. Once windows xp won't be supported anymore, only then vista will have all it needs, till then stay with your xp. Vista is very limited now and it seems they rather rushed it out like zune, which as funny as it might be...zune isn't vista supported! (lol?)

    Windows xp will be stopped at 2012-13. It normally takes 5 or so years.
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  • TheSaviorTheSavior Join Date: 2003-10-14 Member: 21688Members
    I'll let you know how it is when my free copy of Vista Premium arrives.

    I havent been arsed to look it up, but running twin 200gb seagate SATA's, I'm hoping I won't run into any issues have one dedicated to Vista OS and one dedicated to XP os.
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  • UltimaGeckoUltimaGecko hates endnotes Join Date: 2003-05-14 Member: 16320Members
    Maybe microsoft should buy me a computer that has a 3.0ghz processor, 1gb+ of ram and a decent enough graphics card to run their useless multi-media BS. I don't need "3D snap shots of my windows" or crazy scrolling foldier icon-sizes or tabs showing the entirety of my open windows. Why can't they just make the OS really simple, so that you turn on that crap if you want it, instead of not letting you turn it off?

    My XP looks very much like good ol' Windows 98, but still has crap features I never use, I'd rather those useless features not grow geometrically. It's like they're trying to make my PC into an Xbox 360, except that it doesn't play the 360 games. I think I'll keep my XP until they come out with their next crazy iteration (Vista Ultimate or Vista 2010 or whatever they'll call it).

    Bah.
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  • puzlpuzl The Old Firm Join Date: 2003-02-26 Member: 14029Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    edited February 2007
    well, just because it looks like '98 doesn't mean it doesn't have a lot of r&d $ under the hood. Despite all the pointless polish MS put into XP, there still is a lot of value in it. I haven't used Vista, I've no intention of using it for at least a year, but I certainly won't base my decision to purchase it on everyone's obsession with the colour and shape of the UI components.
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  • UltimaGeckoUltimaGecko hates endnotes Join Date: 2003-05-14 Member: 16320Members
    Don't worry, I turned off fancy shadows for my windows and crap like that too. It might be more than Win98, but less hell on the eyes and still better with my resources than regular XP. I do keep the "icon remain in folder while dragging" one. I'll take that aesthetic appeal.

    msconfig->startup tab->disable all is nice too. Along with a bunch of stopped, useless 'services'.
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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1603278:date=Jan 31 2007, 11:06 PM:name=SillyGoose)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SillyGoose @ Jan 31 2007, 11:06 PM) [snapback]1603278[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Yeah, because Microsoft doesn't want anyone to play Quake Wars or any other Doom3 engine game on Vista.
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    I'm gonna strangle the next person who acts like this is true.
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  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    <!--quoteo(post=1603204:date=Feb 1 2007, 01:14 AM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Feb 1 2007, 01:14 AM) [snapback]1603204[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    I don't think anyone actually expects an entire OS to be bug free on launch day, especially Windows.
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    <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />

    postcount +1 as well
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  • DiscoZombieDiscoZombie Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18951Members
    I bought a new pc 3 weeks ago but have no idea how to redeem my vista coupon. I sent a note to customer service at mwave.com today... I'll see what happens with that.
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  • KungFuDiscoMonkeyKungFuDiscoMonkey Creator of ns_altair 日本福岡県 Join Date: 2003-03-15 Member: 14555Members, NS1 Playtester, Reinforced - Onos
    If I recall correctly, Vista still has some OpenGL it just runs it through DirectX so basically an OpenGL wrapper for DirectX.
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  • JimmehJimmeh Join Date: 2003-08-24 Member: 20173Members, Constellation
    While I'm still sceptical about Vista, it would barely run on this PC at the moment anyway (mainly due to lack of RAM, I remember when 512mb was excess - oh well). Still, getting a brand new PC in 3months or so hopefully, going to get Vista with it so I'll let post my opinions on it then.
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  • FaskaliaFaskalia Wechsellichtzeichenanlage Join Date: 2004-09-12 Member: 31651Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1603397:date=Feb 1 2007, 10:14 PM:name=KungFuDiscoMonkey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(KungFuDiscoMonkey @ Feb 1 2007, 10:14 PM) [snapback]1603397[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    If I recall correctly, Vista still has some OpenGL it just runs it through DirectX so basically an OpenGL wrapper for DirectX.
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    Yes they do, but apparently that wrapper seems to be only capable of translating opengl 1.4 or below.
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  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    Ugg, that's terrible.

    Frankly I don't even understand why game developers even develop for DX, openGL is nicer in so many ways.
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  • antifreezeantifreeze The guy with the goods&#33; Join Date: 2003-05-12 Member: 16232Members, Constellation
    I have MSDN:AA Vista Business running on this pc now and it's pretty sweet.

    The main problem I faced was getting my damn wireless dongle to install, for some reason it decided all drivers weren't really drivers and I'm and idiot for trying. While the latter may be true they were drivers so I tried dumping all the device drivers into the windows/system32 directory and to my shock it changed it's mind and installed it. UAC is annoying for the few hours when setting up your pc because pretty much every button clicked seems to trigger it, it got to the point where i thought it had been added as some kind of joke.

    Now i have Vista installed and running properly I'm pretty happy with it. I have a Core 2 duo 6300, 1Gb DDR2 and a 6600GT and everything runs very quick and smooth. I mainly play EVE and I've not had any trouble and i get great frame rates. The first time i ran CS:S it had a funny turn and the graphics went purple and slow although i rebooted and that bug hasn't cropped up since and I'm also getting good frame rates on that. A friend of mine with almost the same setup as mine except he has a dirty ATI card cannot get any game to run, i don't know the details but I'm told it just crashes straight away.
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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1603431:date=Feb 1 2007, 04:04 PM:name=Swiftspear)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Swiftspear @ Feb 1 2007, 04:04 PM) [snapback]1603431[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Ugg, that's terrible.

    Frankly I don't even understand why game developers even develop for DX, openGL is nicer in so many ways.
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    Your death will be long and painful. As will Faskalia's.
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  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    Revenge is not the answer TC
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  • DrSuredeathDrSuredeath Join Date: 2002-11-11 Member: 8217Members
    Probably pointless to ask, but is it a resource hog?
    I hate PR speech, they keep boasting about multitasking w/o telling about the RAM/CPU you need.
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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1603456:date=Feb 1 2007, 07:11 PM:name=DrSuredeath)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DrSuredeath @ Feb 1 2007, 07:11 PM) [snapback]1603456[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Probably pointless to ask, but is it a resource hog?
    I hate PR speech, they keep boasting about multitasking w/o telling about the RAM/CPU you need.
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    It's not a hog, per se, but you need to have a good computer to run it.
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  • WarriorWarrior Join Date: 2003-02-16 Member: 13624Members
    Once the driver issues get resolved, I think vista will start to have performance similar to XP. Its still a brand new OS. Its going to have its fair share of issues. imo i see no reason to get vista if you dont have a DX10 card.
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