So I just beat System Shock 2, 6 times in 2 weeks

CrappomaticCrappomatic Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2108Members
<div class="IPBDescription">I'm cybernetically possessed</div>Even though System Shock 2 is over 7 years old, I never bothered to check it out until mid November. Then I wanted to <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/asrifle.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::asrifle::" border="0" alt="asrifle.gif" /> myself. This game is every bit as addictive as Deus Ex was. And I've owned Deus Ex for almost 6 years, and still play it from time to time. My biggest problem was swallowing my pride and paying 40 bucks for such an old game. I guess its rare now. It arrived the day before Thanksgiving, and its just about all I've played since then. Not bad at all when I stop and think about all the 40-50 dollar newer games that I've bought, played for a few days, and then ditched.

But I might have played it a little too fast. I already beat it on Impossible with an effective and efficient Marine build that made the game not very hard at all, and with no real weaknesses. I would go as far as to say that the game looks as if it was built from the ground up around said character build. Just about every other build has serious weaknesses or just flat out pales in comparison

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  • Marik_SteeleMarik_Steele To rule in hell... Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9466Members
    Aye, my engineer-turned-psionics character turned out to be quite an experience.

    Try co-op sometime. The only problem I had with co-op was that I play at such a slow pace compared to all of my friends, and thus none have had the patience to go deck by deck with me for more than the 1st of 4 OS upgrades.

    Glad you enjoyed your $40 investment so much <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
  • SkulkBaitSkulkBait Join Date: 2003-02-11 Member: 13423Members
    If you thought that was good then you should try System Shock. The original.
  • MantridMantrid Lockpick Join Date: 2003-12-07 Member: 24109Members
    I tried running SS2 on my XP machine, and it loads up, but I have no sound. Videos don't play, either.


    I really want to play this, but without sound, it seems pointless. I tried the shkpatch.exe method, but it says it can't determine the installation directory.
  • AegeriAegeri Join Date: 2003-02-13 Member: 13486Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1585961:date=Dec 8 2006, 08:33 PM:name=SkulkBait)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SkulkBait @ Dec 8 2006, 08:33 PM) [snapback]1585961[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    If you thought that was good then you should try System Shock. The original.
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    I've never managed to get that to run unfortunately, which is a real shame <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
  • Marik_SteeleMarik_Steele To rule in hell... Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9466Members
    edited December 2006
    <!--quoteo(post=1585994:date=Dec 8 2006, 09:35 PM:name=Mantrid)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mantrid @ Dec 8 2006, 09:35 PM) [snapback]1585994[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    I tried running SS2 on my XP machine, and it loads up, but I have no sound. Videos don't play, either.
    I really want to play this, but without sound, it seems pointless. I tried the shkpatch.exe method, but it says it can't determine the installation directory.
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    This may be a site you've already found with Google, but it's worth checking out: <a href="http://www.ttlg.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=78" target="_blank">http://www.ttlg.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=78</a>
    Their threads helped me fix all of my technical issues.
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    If you're a fan of Deus Ex and System Shock 2, you'll go ballistic for Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines. Just install the official patch and the latest fan patch, and you're on your way to roleplaying goodness in the Source engine. Fun fun fun in the sun sun sun, except not the sun because it kills you dead.
  • RedfordRedford Monorailcatfjord Join Date: 2002-04-28 Member: 528Members, NS1 Playtester
    A fun challenge: you are only allowed to use melee attacks. You may use supportive psionic skills and items, but you are not allowed to damage any life form except in melee. This sounds imposssible, but it actually turns out that a psionic with the proper equipment and OS upgrades can do more damage in a single blow then with any other attack.

    Then, do it using only a wrench.

    Then, do it only using the wrench and no psi powers.

    Then, try completing the game without attacking anything except the enemies and objects you must kill to complete the game.
  • AegeriAegeri Join Date: 2003-02-13 Member: 13486Members
    Actually the Wrench playthrough isn't as hard as some people might think (you have uber amounts of health items as you're not spending nanites on bullets), with only two-three genuinely difficult parts in the game. The wrench actually does some pretty solid damage for the most part, especially with the hand to hand combat upgrades.

    Now doing the game without hacking and with just the wrench - there is a challenge for you.
  • SkyrageSkyrage Join Date: 2003-08-27 Member: 20249Members
    Aaaah...System Shock 2...I've played it through several times. It's such a masterpiece.

    Kinda sucks though that I've never managed to get System Shock to work though. Check out the underdogs page though, there was a recent post about a System Shock Portable version, which doesn't require DosBOX or anything like that to run.
  • Sub_zer0Sub_zer0 Join Date: 2004-05-09 Member: 28569Members
    ss2 was awsoem I must admit Scared the geebies outta me some times could never get co-op to work over net <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" /> only played it once on lan I used to love co-op but no one plays it still an awsome game rather than hijack this thread I'll make a new one about Bioshock I found a movie.
  • ShzarShzar Join Date: 2003-09-21 Member: 21098Members, Constellation
    <----------- Shodan owns Shzar's soul

    If you're looking for something new to do in SS2:

    -Find and use the basketball <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
    -Try to beat Overworld Zero
    -Beat it on impossible with a psi-exclusive (+ wrench) character.
  • CrappomaticCrappomatic Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2108Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1586310:date=Dec 9 2006, 02:44 PM:name=Shzar)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Shzar @ Dec 9 2006, 02:44 PM) [snapback]1586310[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    -Beat it on impossible with a psi-exclusive (+ wrench) character.
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    I'm doing something close to that right now. Except I have Exotic weaponry as one of my skills (mainly for the crystal shard). Its getting on my nerves. The robots I mean. The only way to deal with those things with a Psi character is to use the Tier-4 psi that freezes robotic targets, then bash it up quickly, and finish it with Cryo. I had to save up 110 cyber modules so that I could get this Psionic as early as Deck 3, because I couldn't think of any other way to get past the robots in Sector A.
  • CrappomaticCrappomatic Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2108Members
    edited December 2006
    <!--quoteo(post=1586069:date=Dec 9 2006, 12:04 AM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Dec 9 2006, 12:04 AM) [snapback]1586069[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    If you're a fan of Deus Ex and System Shock 2, you'll go ballistic for Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines.
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    I owned that game for a short while. I wasn't very impressed. I finally threw the CD in the trash when I got through the burning hotel and faced that necromancer in his wolf form. I couldn't beat him with my Brujah nomatter what. That made me think "well how the heck is, for example, a stealth character supposed to get past him?" Pardon me, but most games don't require you to start over to correct mistakes and make certain obstacles passable on the first run through, unless you do something incredibly stupid. That's why Fallout and Planescape: Torment also went into the garbage bin. And why Baldurs Gate is currently sitting at the bottom of the pile.
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    Haha, I was getting ready to answer you and then saw that you abandoned Fallout, Planescape: Torment, and Baldur's Gate in additon to Vampire. Sorry man but you've got problems with games that I won't be able to solve. I suggest just reading a FAQ at the beginning and choosing some uber character build, because otherwise you're somehow drawn to the only character build that doesn't work or something.
  • CrappomaticCrappomatic Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2108Members
    edited December 2006
    <!--quoteo(post=1586701:date=Dec 10 2006, 01:47 PM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Dec 10 2006, 01:47 PM) [snapback]1586701[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Haha, I was getting ready to answer you and then saw that you abandoned Fallout, Planescape: Torment, and Baldur's Gate in additon to Vampire. Sorry man but you've got problems with games that I won't be able to solve. I suggest just reading a FAQ at the beginning and choosing some uber character build, because otherwise you're somehow drawn to the only character build that doesn't work or something.
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    Well see, one of the things I liked about Deus Ex, System Shock 2, Morrowind, and some other RPGs is that even if you started out bad, or wasn't purely efficient all throughout, there are always other ways to get past things, redeem yourself, etc. With the games that I listed, I run into brick walls all the time. And I have to start over. This has happened in Baldur's Gate 4 or 5 times, each time with a different character class. It happened twice already in Bloodlines. I'm not fixated on any one particular class, and I do stop to think about what did and didn't work before I start over.

    Conclusion? The games I said I didn't like must be geared towards perfectionists.
  • Private_ColemanPrivate_Coleman PhD in Video Games Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7510Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1586359:date=Dec 9 2006, 04:50 PM:name=Crappomatic)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Crappomatic @ Dec 9 2006, 04:50 PM) [snapback]1586359[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    I'm doing something close to that right now. Except I have Exotic weaponry as one of my skills (mainly for the crystal shard). Its getting on my nerves. The robots I mean. The only way to deal with those things with a Psi character is to use the Tier-4 psi that freezes robotic targets, then bash it up quickly, and finish it with Cryo. I had to save up 110 cyber modules so that I could get this Psionic as early as Deck 3, because I couldn't think of any other way to get past the robots in Sector A.
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    If you mean the maintenance bots, you can wrench rush them quite easily. They move try to move backwards if you're too close instead of firing. The only problem is when they blow up. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />

    If you mean the protocol droids, then yeah you can't stop them. Just run past them, or make them move somewhere more open for you to get past.
  • RedfordRedford Monorailcatfjord Join Date: 2002-04-28 Member: 528Members, NS1 Playtester
    Maint bots can be killed with the wrench if you are good with it. However, most of the maint bots in the cargo bay do not need to be killed directly by you at all - every bot on the ground floor can be killed by dropping a lift on it's head, destroying it with no ammo spent. To kill the few that can't be killed like this in melee, you have to exploit their behavor. Behavor number one is they allways shoot their electrical attacks out of their right hand, and therefore can not attack if they can not aim at you with the right hand. Number two is that they appricate their personal space and thusly if you get right next to one, it will actually back up a few steps to fire at you. In order to defeat the one on deck 2, for example, lead it into the narrow hallway near where it spawns with the pillar on the right side. Wait until it gets near the pillar and it's hand is blocked. Run directly aginst it and hit it with your wrench a few times. It will back up a few steps and aim at you when it's clear of the pillar. Run behind it to stop it from attacking you. It will start moving towards you again. Run aginst it again, and hit it again. Repeat this loop until it has a sliver of health left and then back up and finish it off with cryokenesis. The robot near the keycard in the cargo bays can be killed in a similar manner, except you stand near the lift you arrive on and wait for it to sandwich itself aginst the nearby pillar. Hit it a few times, and when it backs away, hide again before it shoots you.

    As for protocol droids, if you have a gun shoot it with 1 AP round. If you don't have a gun shoot it with cryokesis. If you are in the cargo bay you can drop a lift on it's head. Otherwise it's possible to trigger it's detonation and then back away just in time to avoid it, but this is a dangerous process.
  • Sub_zer0Sub_zer0 Join Date: 2004-05-09 Member: 28569Members
    Just curious who has played this with the lights off? Never could do it my self <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
  • DiscoZombieDiscoZombie Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18951Members
    where did you get stuck in Planescape? it's such a non-combat RPG that I didn't think your char build mattered too much in the long run. the game is almost all conversation. and what did you do wrong in fallout? to be honest I never tried a non-combat char so I don't know how hard it is. I always pumped my perception and agility and stuff way up for optimal shooting.

    those 2 games you said you trashed are 2 of my favorite games and among like the 10% of games I played that I actually finished. ironically, the other games you mentioned - Deus Ex, System Shock 2, Morrowind - I got bored with and didn't manage to finish <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> deus ex, I got bogged down trying to do everything perfectly (not kill anyone ever, etc) and made myself bored. system shock - well, I think I got to almost the very end and then I forgot what happened. tbh maybe I got too scared lol, I was younger at the time. Morrowind, I got bogged down trying to make my char perfect (always getting a full 5 stat points every level with no waste, etc) and got bored in the process.
  • CrappomaticCrappomatic Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2108Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1587125:date=Dec 11 2006, 02:49 PM:name=DiscoZombie)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DiscoZombie @ Dec 11 2006, 02:49 PM) [snapback]1587125[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    where did you get stuck in Planescape? it's such a non-combat RPG that I didn't think your char build mattered too much in the long run. the game is almost all conversation. and what did you do wrong in fallout? to be honest I never tried a non-combat char so I don't know how hard it is. I always pumped my perception and agility and stuff way up for optimal shooting.
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    Planescape was boring as hell. And too much dialogue. I got to the catacombs where Pharod sends you to and got electrocuted and killed in a few hits by these rats. WTH?

    And Fallout, I got badly lost in it. I figured out to buy the rope from that guy standing outside somewhere and searching through that abandoned vault, found no water chip, and from that point on there was nothing to lead me in the right direction, except all these characters in places here and there giving me miscellaneous quests that were obviously too tough for my character as of yet. Or quests that were too vague. Not to mention a lack of a notepad/PDA equivilent, so if you forget an objective, or an NPCs exact words, too bad. Not to mention the fact that Fallout did TERRIBLE at Turn-based combat. Absolutely horrible. Don't even get me started on how flawed that was.
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