Where Did All The Servers Go?

GiGaBiTeGiGaBiTe Join Date: 2003-10-07 Member: 21489Members
months ago, there were between 500-900 ns servers, and within the past month or two, i have seen 200 or less.

is it just me not able to see a large portion of servers, or are people dropping their ns servers for other mods?

also it seems that the amount of players on at any given time is dropping also.

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  • monk1monk1 Join Date: 2005-07-19 Member: 56283Members
    OH GOD NS IS DYING RIP
  • urinalcakeurinalcake Can't work a sound card United States Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7799Members
    I haven't seen servers peak to 900 since, oh god. a long time ago.
    At the time of this post there are 381 active servers.

    A few months ago, I remember it being greater and all. But not between 500-900. Highest this year I think was like 450 something.

    It could be because of any lack of updates or announcements.. but my best guess would be the gap between the CAL season change.

    Other than that, no clue.
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    At any given time I can pull up approx 375 ns servers running, plus or minus. I use the <a href='http://nssb.psix.info/en/browser/statistics/' target='_blank'>Natural Selection Server Browser, or NSSB</a>. It currently shows 406 up.

    How this compares to past figures, I do not know.
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    900? What tool did you get that number with? With ASE, I did not even see more than 500 servers on the first 2.0 weekends...
  • GoDlolGoDlol Join Date: 2005-01-08 Member: 33703Members
    release the new version and get ns on mygames and im sure the number will go up
  • GiGaBiTeGiGaBiTe Join Date: 2003-10-07 Member: 21489Members
    the majority of the 900 that i got was for about a week, and they were all crap servers (like 4 slots or less)

    most of the time i used to get 400-500.

    and at this time i can still only see around 147 servers, even with all filters off.
  • OtsOts Join Date: 2003-07-30 Member: 18577Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-?monk+Jul 31 2005, 01:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (?monk @ Jul 31 2005, 01:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> OH GOD NS IS DYING RIP <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    QFT
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-GiGaBiTe+Jul 31 2005, 03:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (GiGaBiTe @ Jul 31 2005, 03:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> the majority of the 900 that i got was for about a week, and they were all crap servers (like 4 slots or less)

    most of the time i used to get 400-500.

    and at this time i can still only see around 147 servers, even with all filters off. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You need a different server browser then - one is mentioned above. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • Router_BoxRouter_Box Join Date: 2004-09-07 Member: 31483Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    ns servers are killing ns.
  • obuhobuh Not Quite Smart at NS Join Date: 2003-03-31 Member: 15072Members, Constellation
    edited July 2005
    When using steam's server browser, I see 366 servers. With the all-seeing eye, I get 170 servers.

    I assume it has to do with the recent hl1 server query protocol update.

    <a href='http://www.steampowered.com/index.php?area=news&id=422' target='_blank'>http://www.steampowered.com/index.php?area=news&id=422</a>

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->HL1 Engine Master Server Query Protocol
    These changes bring the HL1 engine's querying protocol in line with that of the Source engine. If you connect to Steam enabled game servers using a third party tool, you may need to contact the vendor for an update.

    Added a challenge number to A2S_PLAYER and A2S_RULES server queries.
    Setting "sv_enableoldqueries" to 1 (currently the default) allows old style (no challenge/response) queries to work

    Changed A2S_INFO server query to require the string "Source Engine Query" appended to the end of the query packet

    Removed support for "info", "infostring", "details", "players" and "rules" queries, use A2S_INFO, A2S_PLAYERS and A2S_RULES instead<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
  • Splinter_SteveSplinter_Steve Join Date: 2005-03-20 Member: 45881Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Router Box+Jul 31 2005, 03:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Router Box @ Jul 31 2005, 03:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ns servers are killing ns. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    QFT
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-obuh+Jul 31 2005, 04:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (obuh @ Jul 31 2005, 04:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> When using steam's server browser, I see 366 servers. With tha all-seeing eye, I get 170 servers.

    I assume it has to do with the recent hl1 server query protocol update.

    <a href='http://www.steampowered.com/index.php?area=news&id=422' target='_blank'>http://www.steampowered.com/index.php?area=news&id=422</a>

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->HL1 Engine Master Server Query Protocol
    These changes bring the HL1 engine's querying protocol in line with that of the Source engine. If you connect to Steam enabled game servers using a third party tool, you may need to contact the vendor for an update.

    Added a challenge number to A2S_PLAYER and A2S_RULES server queries.
    Setting "sv_enableoldqueries" to 1 (currently the default) allows old style (no challenge/response) queries to work

    Changed A2S_INFO server query to require the string "Source Engine Query" appended to the end of the query packet

    Removed support for "info", "infostring", "details", "players" and "rules" queries, use A2S_INFO, A2S_PLAYERS and A2S_RULES instead<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Another reason the NSSB excels. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • GiGaBiTeGiGaBiTe Join Date: 2003-10-07 Member: 21489Members
    you can always ban those external bots from pinging your server. i have had to ban a couple of them (yahoo, eye, etc) for continually pinging my server every 5 seconds. which becomes irritating in and of itself.
  • monk1monk1 Join Date: 2005-07-19 Member: 56283Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Router Box+Jul 31 2005, 03:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Router Box @ Jul 31 2005, 03:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ns servers are killing ns. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    OHGOD THE NS FORUMS ARE KILLING NS
  • Swift_IdiotSwift_Idiot Join Date: 2003-01-05 Member: 11883Members
    Stale humor is killing the NS Forums. :( I might have to give up the forums completely for forever and ever if it keeps getting worser.
  • TheJimTheJim Join Date: 2005-01-09 Member: 34080Members, Constellation
    I get 386 servers with steam with all filters off
  • HyakuHyaku Join Date: 2004-03-05 Member: 27161Members
    Really, they are... so many people love CO over NS and never play real ns games, and so do servers. Not to mention all the 50-levels-infinite-charge gets pretty ridiculous.
  • topchristopchris Join Date: 2004-05-23 Member: 28865Members
    edited August 2005
    Buzzhook is the real killer folks. Any suggestions? I've got one. How about getting HLGuard support?
  • PseudoKnightPseudoKnight Join Date: 2002-06-18 Member: 791Members
    edited August 2005
    Data from about a year ago:

    <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=72952&view=findpost&p=1136473' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index....33;entry1136473</a>
  • stallioNstallioN Join Date: 2005-06-21 Member: 54363Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-topchris+Aug 1 2005, 10:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (topchris @ Aug 1 2005, 10:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Buzzhook is the real killer folks. Any suggestions? I've got one. How about getting HLGuard support? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    HLGuard is pretty horrible. Someone from FFT was banned from a server for having "aimbot". <i>FFT</i>! I was also banned from a server... this was before I had mouse acceleration disabled, so naturally my aim was horrible, and it still detected "hacks".
  • DroggogDroggog Random Pubber Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3293Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Jul 31 2005, 11:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jul 31 2005, 11:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-obuh+Jul 31 2005, 04:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (obuh @ Jul 31 2005, 04:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> When using steam's server browser, I see 366 servers. With tha all-seeing eye, I get 170 servers.

    I assume it has to do with the recent hl1 server query protocol update.

    <a href='http://www.steampowered.com/index.php?area=news&id=422' target='_blank'>http://www.steampowered.com/index.php?area=news&id=422</a>

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->HL1 Engine Master Server Query Protocol
    These changes bring the HL1 engine's querying protocol in line with that of the Source engine. If you connect to Steam enabled game servers using a third party tool, you may need to contact the vendor for an update.

    Added a challenge number to A2S_PLAYER and A2S_RULES server queries.
    Setting "sv_enableoldqueries" to 1 (currently the default) allows old style (no challenge/response) queries to work

    Changed A2S_INFO server query to require the string "Source Engine Query" appended to the end of the query packet

    Removed support for "info", "infostring", "details", "players" and "rules" queries, use A2S_INFO, A2S_PLAYERS and A2S_RULES instead<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Another reason the NSSB excels. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Man Depot, you never stop pimping that web-based server browser! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> Not to sound rude or anything but the site is really slow, and last time i checked you couldnt join any game server from that site so it's pretty useless. The only interesting feature is it shows the % of game servers running "x" plugin, and that's only for information purpose. And to scare me when i see all those servers running extralevels.

    While it's a good initiative and all, imo nothing can beat something like ASE with <i>good</i> filters settings. They updated the HL1 server query protocol btw.

    On topic, i ping 436 servers with no filters as i type this.

    This goes down to 78 servers when i filter out servers;

    - currently running siege maps
    - currently running combat
    - blocking scripts
    - requiring "cheating-death"

    And this goes down to 59 servers worldwide when i also filter out servers running any extralevels version...

    That's 26 "decent" servers where i have an acceptable ping (<100 (europe)), most of em empty, or running bots, and 3 of em are passworded.

    So yeah, i reg on 2-3 servers and that's about it.
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Droggog+Aug 2 2005, 03:26 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Droggog @ Aug 2 2005, 03:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Man Depot, you never stop pimping that web-based server browser! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> Not to sound rude or anything but the site is really slow, and last time i checked you couldnt join any game server from that site so it's pretty useless. The only interesting feature is it shows the % of game servers running "x" plugin, and that's only for information purpose. And to scare me when i see all those servers running extralevels.

    While it's a good initiative and all, imo nothing can beat something like ASE with <i>good</i> filters settings. They updated the HL1 server query protocol btw.

    On topic, i ping 436 servers with no filters as i type this.

    This goes down to 78 servers when i filter out servers;

    - currently running siege maps
    - currently running combat
    - blocking scripts
    - requiring "cheating-death"

    And this goes down to 59 servers worldwide when i also filter out servers running any extralevels version...

    That's 26 "decent" servers where i have an acceptable ping (<100 (europe)), most of em empty, or running bots, and 3 of em are passworded.

    So yeah, i reg on 2-3 servers and that's about it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    It may be a little slow if you're stateside, as it's hosted in Germany. I've not had any issues with speed though. And it's a server <i>browser</i>, and has been noted as such, so you're not meant to join servers from it. It also provides a lot more information than you've noted, so perhaps you're not totally familiar with it's features (you'll forgive me for not going in depth, again, on all it does).

    Last I checked there were 51 combat servers NOT running extralevels2, and a total of 406 ns servers running.
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    -mE- just updated <a href='http://nssb.psix.info/en/browser/servers/' target='_blank'>the NSSB (Natural Selection Server Browser)</a> to display more information for each category.
    Servers running any plugin are now marked with a gear and the plugins-page now displays the amount of servers running each plugin.
    I also readded the player-statistics for each server back in (which have to be fixed though).

    Things to be done:
    - Add search-engine
    - Fix statistics
    - Fix timers
    - Add rules-page
    - Add <i>real</i> maps-page
    - Apply design for plugins, statistics and maps
    - <i>Want me to add anything? Just tell me!</i>
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