Longhorn's Opm Protocol

BaconTheoryBaconTheory Join Date: 2003-09-06 Member: 20615Members
edited July 2005 in Off-Topic
<div class="IPBDescription">A little disturbing</div> Saw the link on the OCForums and I just read this on Engadget. I have to say it seems a little disturbing to me. Basically, Microsoft is pusing this OPM standard for it's COPP (Certified Output Protection Protocol). Basically, it will render all monitors that don't support the OPM or HDCP (High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection) obsolete. If you try and use a monitor that does not support either of those standards, you get a little black screen stating that your monitor does not comply with the OPM standard. Good times to be had for all. THis is just one of the reasons that I'm staying away from Longhorn.

<a href='http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000143050582' target='_blank'>http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000143050582</a>

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  • AlcapwnAlcapwn &quot;War is the science of destruction&quot; - John Abbot Join Date: 2003-06-21 Member: 17590Members
    Reading that article, it seems like Microsoft is pushing it because Blu-ray and HDDVD are right around the corner, not because they just want too screw around with people... <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • kill4thrillskill4thrills Join Date: 2004-06-24 Member: 29506Members, Constellation
    i'm sure someone will figure out of a way of defeating these security measures. it'll just be a matter of time
  • ZeroByteZeroByte Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3057Members
    edited July 2005
    Irunno. I don't think an anology to the (infamous intarweb legend with interestingly large orfice) man can elucidate how badly we consumers are getting shafted by the whole DRM business. God bless corporations and their stranglehold on hardware. Gah.
  • BaconTheoryBaconTheory Join Date: 2003-09-06 Member: 20615Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-kill4thrills+Jul 25 2005, 11:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kill4thrills @ Jul 25 2005, 11:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i'm sure someone will figure out of a way of defeating these security measures. it'll just be a matter of time <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    The people on the OC Forums were saying the exact same thing. This is a dort of call-to-arms for hackers. I garuntee that it will only take a couple months after Longhorn is released to hack it and get rid of this stupid protocol. ZeroByte is right on this one. We consumers are really getting shafted badly here. This DRM crap that's plaguing the entertainment industry is really causing more problems than it's trying to solve. Hackers on the net are already preparing to do something about new DRM implements in upcoming products. People aren't just going to stand aside and take it, Microsoft's OPM standards amd the entertainment industry's DRM standards aren't going to be accepted without a fight.
  • NarfwakNarfwak Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5258Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Playtest Lead, Forum Moderators, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Gold, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow, Subnautica PT Lead, NS2 Community Developer
    Maybe I'm just ignorant, but haven't heard a single <i>good</i> thing about Longhorn, and XP Pro is working just fine for me, thanks. I think MS is going to be hard pressed to actually sell Longhorn unless they do something really unbelievable and make it so XP no longer runs or something.
  • OttoDestructOttoDestruct Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7790Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Narfwak+Jul 25 2005, 12:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Narfwak @ Jul 25 2005, 12:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Maybe I'm just ignorant, but haven't heard a single <i>good</i> thing about Longhorn, and XP Pro is working just fine for me, thanks. I think MS is going to be hard pressed to actually sell Longhorn unless they do something really unbelievable and make it so XP no longer runs or something. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    They'll probably 'optimize' the code so it 'works better' and checks what OS you run to make sure you run longhorn. At least for their products. I can't install MP10 on Win2k already.
  • SandstormSandstorm Join Date: 2003-09-25 Member: 21205Members
    Monitors are one of those things people don't replace for years and years. Even people who don't care about DRM will still be annoyed that their monitors, which worked fine with XP, no longer work with that $300 OS they just bought. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • JaspJasp Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13076Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Monitors are one of those things people don't replace for years and years. Even people who don't care about DRM will still be annoyed that their monitors, which worked fine with XP, no longer work with that $300 OS they just bought.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Say woot? bought? hehe.

    I wont get into the discussion of how long that will take either.

    But yer i have to agree with the general opinion the monitor of all things is the last i replace and i dont wish to be forking out hundreds for a new monitor and OS.

    All things being perfect i would still be using Win98 or if i had the time and effort Linux. Having to upgrade your OS every few years and fork out hundreds because companys will no longer support older OSes is anoyying at best.
  • BaconTheoryBaconTheory Join Date: 2003-09-06 Member: 20615Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Narfwak+Jul 25 2005, 12:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Narfwak @ Jul 25 2005, 12:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Maybe I'm just ignorant, but haven't heard a single <i>good</i> thing about Longhorn, and XP Pro is working just fine for me, thanks. I think MS is going to be hard pressed to actually sell Longhorn unless they do something really unbelievable and make it so XP no longer runs or something. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I've heard similar things that if anything Longhorn <i>reduces</i> functionality. There's been a lot of complaints from beta testers that the functionality and stuff really sucks.
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
  • BulletHeadBulletHead Join Date: 2004-07-22 Member: 30049Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-BaconTheory+Jul 25 2005, 12:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BaconTheory @ Jul 25 2005, 12:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Narfwak+Jul 25 2005, 12:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Narfwak @ Jul 25 2005, 12:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Maybe I'm just ignorant, but haven't heard a single <i>good</i> thing about Longhorn, and XP Pro is working just fine for me, thanks.  I think MS is going to be hard pressed to actually sell Longhorn unless they do something really unbelievable and make it so XP no longer runs or something. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I've heard similar things that if anything Longhorn <i>reduces</i> functionality. There's been a lot of complaints from beta testers that the functionality and stuff really sucks. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    since WHEN has MicroSucks ever listened to their beta testers?
  • StormLiongStormLiong Join Date: 2002-12-27 Member: 11569Members
    Here is another theoritical reason for Microsoft to put in the OPM protocol.

    They are in league with monitor manufacturers!

    Like most people say, a monitor is the very last thing you will ever upgrade on a yearly basis and even if you did upgrade, its only because your monitor finally went kaput or the screen starts to act funny beyond repair.

    So monitor manufacturers want to get a quick jump in their profits by forcing PC users to upgrade their monitors with the help of M$.
  • StormLiongStormLiong Join Date: 2002-12-27 Member: 11569Members
    This protocol is still utterly stupid.

    Isn't Microsoft saying to us the consumers that don't have OPM-compatible monitors that,

    "Your current monitor is prone to illegal activities. Please get one that will do our bidding"
  • TommyVercettiTommyVercetti Join Date: 2003-02-10 Member: 13390Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    Is Microsoft trying to kill itself? With Linux and other alternative operating systems gaining popularity, they want to force people to buy new monitors just so they can run Longhorn? I mean, the office folks are already shifting towards open source, and now M$ is alienating casual home users by forcing them to buy new monitors?

    And if the reports are anywhere near accurate, there's no way I'm "upgrading" to Longhorn any time soon. In fact, I'm not visiting Window Update for a long time. I don't trust them not to **** up XP intentionally (for a change).
  • PulsePulse To create, to create and escape. Join Date: 2002-08-29 Member: 1248Members, Constellation
    For some reason, everybody in this thread seems to think that when they start up Longhorn it will tell them that it doesn't support their monitors or something stupid like that. It won't.

    <b><span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>This only applies to OPM protected media.</span></b>

    The only time you're going to see this is when you're watching "Premium content" from some company stupid enough to enable this and they're most likely to choose the "blurry" option.
  • Leaderz0rzLeaderz0rz Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7847Members
    on a different note, its not longhorn anymore, its windows vista. thats right...<b>vista</b>
  • PulsePulse To create, to create and escape. Join Date: 2002-08-29 Member: 1248Members, Constellation
    Yeah, but everybody is going to keep calling it Longhorn anyway, because Vista is the worst name ever.
  • illuminexilluminex Join Date: 2004-03-13 Member: 27317Members, Constellation
    I wouldn't try and war with Windows Vista if I were you. If you remove the wrong security protocals it may become self aware and then humanity is doomed to being forced to upgrade their OS and monitor <i>every month</i>. On the bright side, at least we won't have to look at Bill Gates anymore. I wonder what form our new Mistress Vista shall take visually?
  • BaconTheoryBaconTheory Join Date: 2003-09-06 Member: 20615Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-illuminex+Jul 25 2005, 05:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (illuminex @ Jul 25 2005, 05:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I wouldn't try and war with Windows Vista if I were you. If you remove the wrong security protocals it may become self aware and then humanity is doomed to being forced to upgrade their OS and monitor <i>every month</i>. On the bright side, at least we won't have to look at Bill Gates anymore. I wonder what form our new Mistress Vista shall take visually? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well apparently that's the only good upgrade in Vista, the visuals. And at that, they aren't much different than XPs. Example:

    <img src='http://www.activewin.com/screenshots/longhorn/Image28.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
  • DOOManiacDOOManiac Worst. Critic. Ever. Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 462Members, NS1 Playtester
    edited July 2005
    Actually that's a really, really old Longhorn shot.

    It actually looks even more like XP now. The sidebar is just completely gone. Just a new skin, smaller (for some stupid reason) minimize/maximize/close buttons, and stupidly stupid transparency effects thrown around like it was colored lighting in Quake 2.

    Here's a gallery (complete w/ some crappy videos) <a href='http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winhec_2005.asp' target='_blank'>here</a>
  • coriscoris Join Date: 2003-07-08 Member: 18034Members, Constellation
    That look like any random stylexp skin.
  • kill4thrillskill4thrills Join Date: 2004-06-24 Member: 29506Members, Constellation
    i don't know where my previous post went. maybe it was deleted <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    but what i wanted to say was instead of breaking longhorn + monitors, the simple solution is to rip the media from their protected medium and re-record it elsewhere. if longhorn doens't think it's secure media you won't have problems. if you can read it you can rip it
  • Crono5Crono5 Join Date: 2003-07-22 Member: 18357Members
    Doom: XD

    So it's like Windows 95 to 98?

    You know, after they made XP I figured Microsoft would keep going up. As cool as some of the Loghorn stuff looks, ultimately I and most people use the computer/operating system for other programs, not so I can tinker with translucency, and those that like staring at visual effects should've convereted to Mac a while ago.

    Now about this Google OS I've heard rumor about...
  • DOOManiacDOOManiac Worst. Critic. Ever. Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 462Members, NS1 Playtester
    edited July 2005
    Lately it seems more like 95 OSR1 to 95 OSR2
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